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I don’t understand why people who say they support the game would repeatedly bump a thread about the company needing to layoff employees. I said this earlier in the thread when there were maybe 6k views... There are now over 12,000...Kyleran said:Shame the forum automatically opens this thread every time you visit.....Mars_Orbital said:Let. it. go. wow , tired of seeing this post
This thread needs locked.
Oh wait, it doesn't. Walk away, just walk away....
We believe you. Really!No.. see you have claimed to be a Harbinger, and thus a part of that community/organization and thus are a representative of them. Your actions reflect on all of them.When you are part of a group.. you rep the group, and everyone else in it rises and falls by your shitty actions.You said "you all accused me"That is why I said "You and your fellow harbingers" unless now you are denying that you are a Harbinger?Stop lying already.When I joined.. you all accused me of being someone else..so that is all on you.. you and your fellow harbinger are not, or were you ever the victims in this exchange..
That wasn't them - that was me.
ME ME ME ME ME! Get it in your head!
No one did but I.
You mean like you being an awesome representative for the CoE community?
Either way your interpretation of "you all" makes no sense.
Another lie like most of the things you say.
I on the other hand, have never claimed to be apart of the "COE Community" and in fact, I have made it clear I have no affiliations to the game, community, and am not even a backer.
I am just a random gamer that kinda likes what this game poses to offer, which means, my actions are mine alone.
Now, so far you have shown me, you can't follow a topic, you can't read a post, shall you not understanding this to that list of things you fail at and make a wonderful example that Harbingers are on reality just a bunch of clueless nerd-ragers on a forums.
Are you looking for a job? Send me your resume.Do you work?Slapshot1188 said:No. The point is that if it's a purchase and not a donation that it should fall under the FCC rules which I posted. The company referring to it as a purchase is important. As Kyleran has stated "precision in terminology is of key importance". IMHO if it is a purchase then the FCC rules apply which means no open ended delivery dates. If a date is not given it defaults to 30 days. If a date is given and not reached, refunds MUST be given. Heck, it says the consumer doesn't even have to ask for them... that the default is that the company must refund unless explicitly told otherwise.Yes.. but you would have to prove you mislead them.. not that you made a mistake.Slapshot1188 said:See screenshots from D,eatherus which clearly use word Purchase. Not donation.Kyleran said:Yet we can't seem to find many, if any actual court decisions or laws governing crowd funded efforts, particularly with regards to clear policies of "no refunds" or "deposits."MadFrenchie said:And yet again you completely miss the point. The point is, contrary to what some would have you believe when defending these crowdfunded MMORPGs, the pledge or donation moniker matters little to the courts, they apply the same sort of scrutiny they would any other business: if you misrepresent or mislead the customer, you can be liable for refunding them, through lawsuit if needed.AshyLarry24 said:Which the date, by the kickstarter TOS, is not a guaranteed date... As shown here...
“The Estimated Delivery Date is the creator’s estimate. The date listed on each reward is the creator’s estimate of when they will provide the reward — not a guarantee to fulfill by that date. The schedule may change as the creator works on the project.”
And, no I think there is a 0% chance that you could use "market research" to file a claim against them. You would honestly need proof that they, themselves knew there was no possibility of them releasing the game on time. THey would say, "We believed a new tech called spatial OS would allow us to create our game, extremely quickly, and we underestimated the time it would take to hire a competent staff". THey would point to the multiple times they've said this.
Crowdfunding isn't a charitable donation. It's a money exchange for a known return, one that's listed at the time the money changes hands. If the seller did something that misleads the customer into purchasing, the law will not throw its hands up and go "oh well, you donated!"
As mentioned before, precision in terminology is of key importance as shown in the one example provided, the judge found for the plaintiff as it was on "order' and not a donation.
See if I am going to sell you a clock, and say "Yah I can make you the clock in 3 days", and then on day 2, I drop the damn thing, and now need to order new parts and all kinds of other problems , so I say "due to unfortunate circumstances, delivery will be delayed for 10 days" I am not misleading you.
If the delivery truck then sends me the wrong or parts.. and I get delayed again because of that.. and tell you this.. again.. I am not misleading you.
Now, realistically, you might want a refund at this point, because you don't want to wait for the clock. I respect that.
But... under no circumstance did I mislead you or falsely advertised my product.. things happened that delayed production, that kind of stuff happens in real life.
Edit: Also, remember the estimated delivery date. Was it misleading? If you are saying that you always knew it was unrealistic then you answered your own question. When people questioned the validity of the date it was vigorously defended. Now 18 months turns to 42 or so. Whether you personally believe ill intent or not, I don't think it can be disputed that there could be a case about that being misleading.
Again though... as far as I know nobody in this thread is considering a refund. If you are... speak up! If not, let's put it to bed for a few weeks. Trust me, you will all have a chance to say the same thing a few more times in a few weeks.
This is an honest question, but do you do any project work at all?