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The absurdist argument is actually going into a game that has PvP and complaining that it's non-consensual. As far as I know, nobody has ever been forced to play a PvP game against their will. There is no PvP mafia that extorts you to play. THAT is the absurdist argument.Cazriel said:When a person resorts to an absurdist argument such as "killing non-player characters is the same as killing players" then they've shown that the real justification is "because I want to, so there." It would be better to simply admit that's the case. "I really, really enjoy it and you're trying to spoil the pleasure I get from killing other players."
My post wasn’t to criticize but honestly to point out you should read up on this catastrophe. It’s one of the all time epics. It has: Crowdfunding, cancelled game, restarted, cancelled, restarted, owner threatening to sue mmorpg.com, threatening to sue multiple others, T-shirt’s, Swinger TV show, Swinger apps, realtors, mma fighting, making an mmo by reading up on it after you raise the money, change of ownership, James Proctor, disability, money for heat bill, store bought assets, engine change, epic livestream, LumpyMan...AnOldFart said:As I said I didn' know what his promises were and in the context of what I quoted I stand by my reply.
However in the context of what I have have been told juat here I agree the citation was appropriate and apologise, but hey bit more context next time please
It's OK. I knew a lot more when I was a college kid with a girlfriend than I do today too. If I could only remember half of my old awesomeness I'd be much better off! Life is so simple from your sofaAsm0deus said:Eldurian said:I do not give a shit about laws as a measure of morality.
Lootboxes are legal. The fact they may bear resemblance to practices which are illegal has no bearing on whether or not they are moral or immoral. It has no bearing on whether they are predatory or not-predatory.
Law is black and white. Legal, or illegal. They are legal so they are fully in the white there.
If you want me to recognize that laws should protect you from something, you need to establish how the actions of others are violating your rights. AKA, you need to show me how you are being victimized.
If you are not claiming to be a victim nor an advocate of victims, then frankly nothing you have to say on this subject matters to me. You have no place in this debate.
If you are claiming those in the transaction who are not claiming victimhood are victims, then I would say you have stepped beyond anything you have any right to commentate on. If they are victims, let them claim that status themselves.
If you are claiming those in the transactions who are dissatisfied with the transactions then I would say show me how anything was done to them, that they did not consent to.
If you are claiming society is the victim, then I would say to show me which rights of those who did not consent to the transaction are being violated.
If you can't show me any of those things, then stop trying to control others and pretend your non-existent right to not be offended supersedes the right of other individuals to take part in consensual transactions.Another boatload of BS fallacies. The laws that govern our society are not all about there being a victim or not.I never said lootboxes were illegal, I was alluding to the fact that gambling is only legal in certain conditions and places.Also as a public thread I am allowed to post here no matter your opinion of if I fit in your narrative or not so you will just have to suck it up and stop trying to control me and my opinions.Sounds to me like you have this idea that the present laws we have that govern gambling which exist for various reason are not to your liking and you are making fallacious arguments to try and avoid lootboxes falling into the gambling category.You're entitled to as this is an open forum after all but I am also entitled to call you out on your BS.Really the only thing I have been arguing in this thread is that I think lootboxes fall into the gambling category and should be treated as such.If society feels minors should not be partaking of gambling because it's a predatory practice that they should not be reasonable expected to understand or be able to defend against then so be it.