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Well, one idea would be to label the new player as "the Ursurper" and give them lower privileges than a noble who paid a tithe.Dleatherus said:wouldn't this just deter many folks from trying to take titles away in game from those who purchased them before launch?
because of the low percentage of noble and aristocrat titles out there compared to the player base, i personally want to see everybody have an opportunity to take them away, rather than make the pool of potential players who can do so, smaller
Good example. While I'm in the category who would be offended. I am open minded enough to say neither statement would have me reporting anyone for it.cameltosis said:There is a big difference between being offended and someone being offensive.
I think it is right that we should have laws / rules / regulations in place that prevent people from being deliberately offensive. Being offensive means you actively want to cause other people distress and that is wrong.
However, laws / rules / regulations that prevent people from being offended are wrong. A side effect of free speech is that you will be offended. It's unavoidable.
It's a fine line to tread. In the past we were nowhere near right. I think we're approaching the correct sweet spot or may even be there, but we are seeing more and more instances where that sweet spot has been missed and we're now targeting people for things we personally find offensive, rather than because the person was being offensive.
I'll try to illustrate with an example.
"Belief in any religion shows a fundamental failure in logic"
"All Christians are idiots"
The first is a statement of opinion and millions (billions?) of people around the world are likely to be offended by it. However, it is not deliberately trying to cause offence and it is a valid opinion that should be allowed to be expressed freely.
The second is also a statement of opinion, but is deliberately trying to cause offence. It is fine for someone to hold that opinion (regardless of it's validity) but to express it in that manner should not be OK.
I think at the moment, certainly in the UK, we're at the sweet spot where that first statement is OK and that second statement is not. But, we are definitely in danger of going past that spot and trying to curtail free speech in order to avoid anyone being offended. Hopefully common sense will prevail.....
Excellnt use of hyperbole to make your point but there is no need to praise them.Darksworm said:No. There's a difference between bullying and being hateful, and simply being blunt without phrasing everything in a way that makes someone feel good about themselves.Amathe said:I find that people who claim the whole world is offended are often folks being called out for things like bigotry, homophobia, xenophobia, sexism, etc. They miss the days when they could use hateful, bullying language and no one would speak up on anyone else's behalf. Nowadays, they will speak up. I know I will.AlBQuirky said:Anything you say these days has a chance to offend someone, somewhere. Humans seem to be carrying HUGE boulders on their shoulders these days, just waiting for people to try to knock them off. It is getting beyond ridiculous. ToS doesn't seem to matter. If someone cries, "I'm offended! BAN THEM!", chances are good that the one reported will get banned.Same question, what topics are you finding this to be a problem with?
I shouldn't have to say "You know... you're a good player, but..." before I ask someone to switch their hero in Overwatch when they're being hard countered and shut down - to avoid them calling me toxic, sexist, homophobic, transphobic, racist, etc. etc. etc.
Right now, it is taking 30 words to communicate what should be said in 5 simply because every single word you have must be accompanied by a 5 word disclaimer to make sure any hint of nuance is obliterated and remove the chance that they will choose an interpretation damning to you if they choose to be offended by what you say.
It's too much ******* work to communicate with these people, and it's practically a linguistic minefield.
ID Politics is also really big in gaming communities now. People will claim to belong to protected groups for the sole purpose of claiming discrimination when they are faced with criticism that they do not like. 'obias and 'isms have been weaponized, and people are labeled with these terms simply to delete their credibility and justify treating them in amazingly awful ways.
It's okay for them to be "toxic," because that other person is being "racist/sexist/etc."
EDIT: Word choice.
Do realize in some spheres I am "one of those in power" and I take it as an obligation to maintain order and resolve conflict.alkarionlog said:influence those in power? what makes you think they care what you think its right? the very least they will say sure and will say they agree, but will change nothing, actually I find it more annoying you expecting someone else to fix things for you, that weakness is what those in power like about, you will do what you are told, helping then keep they power, with a false promise of being safe and protectedI have spoken up and disagreed with countless people on the internet for over 30 years.Istoppucks said:You are a little misguided here I believe. People call others racist, bigot and every phobia in the book just because that person doesn't share the same opinion or beliefs as they do. You can no longer argue online without being called one of those names by a very vocal group on social medias, forums of all kinds and video games. They have completely destroyed the significance of those phrases.Amathe said:I find that people who claim the whole world is offended are often folks being called out for things like bigotry, homophobia, xenophobia, sexism, etc. They miss the days when they could use hateful, bullying language and no one would speak up on anyone else's behalf. Nowadays, they will speak up. I know I will.AlBQuirky said:Anything you say these days has a chance to offend someone, somewhere. Humans seem to be carrying HUGE boulders on their shoulders these days, just waiting for people to try to knock them off. It is getting beyond ridiculous. ToS doesn't seem to matter. If someone cries, "I'm offended! BAN THEM!", chances are good that the one reported will get banned.Same question, what topics are you finding this to be a problem with?
So you speak up and call those you disagree with racist, sexist, bigots and every phobia it doesn't have the impact that you think it does anymore.
Rarely has anyone accused me of being racist, bigoted or sexist, unless they misunderstood the meaning of those terms.
So if I am able to keep my behaviors in check, I fully expect others to do the same.
I can live with occasional slips and let it go, but if a regular problem I fully feel its within "my rights" to attempt to control the behavior of others, especially if it's within my power to do so.
When it's not, no problem decrying others who do and am more than happy to attempt to influence those in power to maintain some order and civility.