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What was your point? I have a fairly high P2W threshold and like @Ungood I don't let it bother me.mystichaze said:Hmm, and as I recall this was your opinion then. Just an example of how wishy-washy opinions are in these forums.
@Slapshot1188 and many others ascribe to what I feel is an overly broad definition of the term PTW.
I do in fact split hairs regularly over definitions, and as many know I'm quite passionate about it and will never yield.
So, P2W for me is a cash shop purchase (usually, but not always an item of power) that if I don't buy I will have next to zero chance of "winning."
What is winning? Let's look at a well made WOW clone a few years back, Runes of Magic.
In the western "beta" they sold an item exclusive to the store which was used to "upgrade" your gear. (RNG of course)
My son and I were playing and both at level 45. Ran into a single lvl 40 stealther who antagonized us for several evenings, trying to gank us in mid pull. He rarely pulled it off because of our levels and we had good heals. (And my son was fast as lightning). We however could not kill him, or even get him below 50%.
We eventually got to chatting and he confessed to spending around $400 on gear buffs hence why we couldn't beat him
Later I watched a fight with a notorious "red" mage and I saw him hold off 30 or so same level players killing them repeatedly. He boasted of spending $8K on his gear and that all of his guildmates (all reds of course) were in for $2- $3K.
Final straw was when my guild leader said in order to start PVE I had better plan on spending $600 each for my son and I, and would likely go up in future expansions.
Too rich for my blood and I walked away having already spent about $200 for convenience items such as storage and mounts.
So for me, all measure of P2W are against that experience and I find most things people decry as P2W are Pay for Advantage (PFA) in my way of thinking.
PFA is largely a matter of degree. I don't care about cash shop convenience or cosmetic items, and even items of power are fine as long as they are priced within the range of the "average" (meaning me) player or can be obtained by spending a reasonable amount of time (meaning the amount of time I spend) in game to obtain it.
EVE is such a game, nothing they sell has ever impacted my gameplay, or if they did I could not discern it
This games cash doesn't really concern me much, even if it provides players a big advantage at release, theres no MMORPG I've ever played where some group of players didnt have a big advantage in terms of time played, more skill, more friends, etc.
What do I really care if some spend money for it, doesn't impact my gameplay in any way compared to advantages players often have over me by other means.
Monopoly would be much cooler with some chutes and ladders.....so would Pantheon come to think of it.Gyva02 said:It's like sitting down with the creators of Monopoly and saying over and over again "you know what, this game would be a lot cooler with some chutes and ladders"
lol, ummm, thanks but that's not what we're really making here...
Oh, hey, thanks for reposting this. I had forgotten Caspian already settled this debate for us when Slap pointed out he said,mystichaze said:
But I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express!pantaro said:i thought to post on MMORPG.com that was the way it is lol I dont see a great many threads that dont have at least a couple people who either dont play a game or have no desire to play a specific game yet they know everything about it and are gonna tell you so.AshyLarry24 said:TBH you guys can't make up your mind on what to cry about. One day it's "they have a bad monetization system, and they need more P2W", the next day it's about how unfair and P2W it is. Sounds like you'll find a way to complain one way or another. Literally in this thread there are people that have one hand cried that you can't buy packages after launch, and a few posts later, cried that the game is P2W lolololololol.
But either way, my inside sources at SBS tell me i'm right. Plus my opinion is very important and the devs monitor my every post to make sure I'm happy. Because I'm really important. So obviously my posts are more important. I'm not over compensating for my obvious lack of knowledge on the subject or anything. And it's not an extremely pathetic attempt to feel some sort of validation.
Are you really sure your "profile" as an adventurer isn't lying to you?Deyirn said:At this point, NO. Even if we disregard the horrible graphics (not that if they were shinier it would be better, but even the character models look deformed; also Vanilla WoW's graphics look better than this maxed out), the game doesn't have much to offer, you can't do much in the game aside from leveling your useless skills and lying to yourself that it was good purchase. Maybe in two years if they add stuff, maybe then the game will amount to something. And hopefully they will leave Early Access before they shut it down.