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  • Big Pledge Package = p2w?

    Kyleran said:

    I assume then you wouldn't trust anyone who donates money for other entertainment purposes, say such as a local orchestra or art museum?

    Or those folks who donate on crowd funding to promising authors,  musicians or whatever.

    Not saying I've done any of those, but I don't judge the streamer donation any differently.

    I also try to tone down the hyperbole in my comparisons,  there is no world where smoking crack by you or others is the preferred choice.

    Well, unless they announce the earth will be hit by a giant asteroid later this year, wiping out all life, maybe in that scenario...maybe.

    This is an extremely false equivalency.  Donating money to someone how creates something does not equate to donating money to someone playing a video game other people created.

    It is equivalent to donating money to someone taping themselves watching a movie.

    Or donating money to someone taping themselves looking at art at a museum or listening to an orchestra.

    How exactly would crowdfunding of a person who tapes themselves playing a game work?  Stretch goal 2 - I tape myself going to the bathroom?

    Games are made to be played.  Games that someone owns and could play are not being played in lieu of watching someone else play it.  These games are not difficult.  Anyone can play them.  

    Unless it is a competition between the best players, which, again, is not 99.9% of what people watch.  Keeping with the sports analogy - it is literally tantamount to watch some idiot play catch with himself in his backyard.

    And no, I would not donate money to watch someone play catch with themselves, or record themselves watching a movie, reading a book, listening to music, nor looking at art.

    I would pay money to watch a movie, read a book, listen to music, and look at art.  And PLAY a video game myself. I would never trust anyone that paid or donated to watch someone do any of that.  It is weird, unseemly, and outright insane.  

    And my preferring to smoke crack over donating to watch someone play a video game is anything but hyperbole.  I could say the same about the ridiculous false equivalencies you made, but I think you were serious in thinking watching a video of someone play a video game is somehow art or entertainment.  I strongly disagree.  

    Again, we can agree to disagree but you refused to do so above.  So we can keep discussing it or I could go play a video game and you can go watch a video of someone playing a video game, but I will always take crack over watching videos of someone playing a video game, and I will never trust the cognitive abilities of anyone who donates money to someone they enjoy watching videos of other people playing video games.  It is what it is. 
    KyleranMrMelGibson
  • Big Pledge Package = p2w?

    blamo2000 said:
    Kyleran said:
    blamo2000 said:

    We'll have to agree to disagree on that last point.  
    No need, I proved my point, your agreement isn't necessary.

    B)
    I proved my point.

    If I was in trouble and sat down with a lawyer that told me he just sent 1k to someone he likes watching play video games online I would call him a fucking idiot and immediately walk out.  Even if it meant I had to represent myself.

    If he told me he spent 1k on crack I would trust him far more and probably stay.   I trust crackhead lawyers with my very freedom more than I trust the cognitive abilities of anyone who would send 1k to someone they watch play video games online.
    Umm, i would never trust a crackhead over someone who donates $1000. Some people have a lot of money and are veey generous. The crackhead is fucked up by a chemically induced rat race he/she cannot win. People throw their lives and others and commit crimes on drugs and to feed their habit. I've heard of doctors stealing their colleagues prescription pads to write themselves narcotics.

    Someone who donates to a streamer likely has a ton of money and is feeling generous. If I watched streamers and I wasn't a cheap bastard, i would donate to them too.
    I can understand why someone smokes crack.  It gets you high, and then you get addicted, so you keep doing it, knowing it is bad and you shouldn't.  I'm not saying its good and people should give crack a try - I'm just saying I can understand why there are crackheads.  I cannot understand people going out of their way to watch people play video games online, when they own the fucking video game and can play it themselves.  I can understand people watching the best of the best playing each other in competition, which is not what happens 99.9% of the time.  It makes no sense at all to me, and as I said, I do not trust the cognitive ability of someone who does so.  Now compound that distrust if the person is sending 1k to someone they watch play a video game online.

    Also, I have no desire to smoke crack.  But I would much rather smoke crack than watch someone play a vide game online.  Smoking crack would mean I have poor judgement.  Watching other people play video games online means I am lacking the cognitive process necessary to make a judgement. 

    I'm a biased?  Yes.  Close-minded?  Probably.  Correct?  I certainly believe so.  Fair?  Yes.  I love my kids with a fanatical passion.  My kids love watching people play video games online far more than playing video games, and I certainly wouldn't trust them to represent me as legal council either.  
    KrematoryMrMelGibson
  • Big Pledge Package = p2w?

    Kyleran said:
    blamo2000 said:

    We'll have to agree to disagree on that last point.  
    No need, I proved my point, your agreement isn't necessary.

    B)
    I proved my point.

    If I was in trouble and sat down with a lawyer that told me he just sent 1k to someone he likes watching play video games online I would call him a fucking idiot and immediately walk out.  Even if it meant I had to represent myself.

    If he told me he spent 1k on crack I would trust him far more and probably stay.   I trust crackhead lawyers with my very freedom more than I trust the cognitive abilities of anyone who would send 1k to someone they watch play video games online.
    GdemamiKajidourdenKyleranManWithNoTanLonestryder
  • Big Pledge Package = p2w?

    Kyleran said:
    Ungood said:
    Kyleran said:
    blamo2000 said:
    Brunlin said:
    Lurv said:
    I see there's packages going well above $1,000 to $10k. Are these people going to be superior to the $50 pledge players? Is this going to have a p2w effect? Need to know before I drop any money on this. If some guy is gonna drop $5k just to be way ahead and superior to me then hell with that.
    https://www.pantheonmmo.com/join/#vip

     You could just read what it gives you and make your mind up yourself as they are very transparent on the bonuses that you get. 

    Its typical these days for games that ask for pledges to have some extremely insane pledging options outside of the normal packages. Its for the whales out there,and I cant say that I blame them. In todays market where you have peeps dumping 1k on their favorite streamer like Ninja while playing Fortnite, very much proves there are players with a ton of money that dont mind parting with it on a streamer or a game that they like. So if you are a game developer asking for pledges,you want to offer the whales something to encourage them to depart with their money. At the same time you dont want to alienate your community. Im sure its a fine line that they are walking.

     I myself, will not pledge. I am planning on playing this game, but I am ok with waiting for the game to release, than buying it for box price and subbing from there.

     All I know is if I had 10k to drop on a game it better have a cruise or a very good family vacation package bundled in with it... ROTFLMAO!!!!

     
    Why would someone pay 1k to someone they watch play videogames?  These people shouldn't be called whales.  Whales pay money to make themselves more powerful in games they play.  People that send 1k willy-nilly to people they watch play games are called insane retards.  
    I dunno, seems a lot less insane than people who buy these, which are for 1 Game and don't even include the price of airfare and hotels.

    Super Bowl 52 ticket prices

    WebsiteLowHigh
    SeatGeek$3,380$55,000
    Vivid Seats$3,441$57,306
    StubHub$3,550$66,655
    NFL Exchange$4,290$40,000

    Face it, there are a lot of people who are flipping rich, and they spend money on things the average Joe either can't or won't. 
    Keep in mind, not all these people are rich, some of them are middle, they just save up for these things.
    Well that would be me, but I choose not to spend this kind of money to watch people play games, online or otherwise.

    I do spend far more a year supporting my local church, which puts me in the insane category in many folk's eyes. ;)

    I was just making a point that dropping 1K on a twitch streamer isn't the act of a mentally challenged individual.
    We'll have to agree to disagree on that last point.  
    GdemamiKrematory
  • Big Pledge Package = p2w?

    Brunlin said:
    Lurv said:
    I see there's packages going well above $1,000 to $10k. Are these people going to be superior to the $50 pledge players? Is this going to have a p2w effect? Need to know before I drop any money on this. If some guy is gonna drop $5k just to be way ahead and superior to me then hell with that.
    https://www.pantheonmmo.com/join/#vip

     You could just read what it gives you and make your mind up yourself as they are very transparent on the bonuses that you get. 

    Its typical these days for games that ask for pledges to have some extremely insane pledging options outside of the normal packages. Its for the whales out there,and I cant say that I blame them. In todays market where you have peeps dumping 1k on their favorite streamer like Ninja while playing Fortnite, very much proves there are players with a ton of money that dont mind parting with it on a streamer or a game that they like. So if you are a game developer asking for pledges,you want to offer the whales something to encourage them to depart with their money. At the same time you dont want to alienate your community. Im sure its a fine line that they are walking.

     I myself, will not pledge. I am planning on playing this game, but I am ok with waiting for the game to release, than buying it for box price and subbing from there.

     All I know is if I had 10k to drop on a game it better have a cruise or a very good family vacation package bundled in with it... ROTFLMAO!!!!

     
    Why would someone pay 1k to someone they watch play videogames?  These people shouldn't be called whales.  Whales pay money to make themselves more powerful in games they play.  People that send 1k willy-nilly to people they watch play games are called insane retards.  
    Gdemami