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  • It's time for government regulation...

    laserit said:


    An addiction is a vulnerability. It's something that you have no self control over.

    Gambling regulations have nothing to do with controlling the addiction. They are all about limiting the ways in which others can exploit that addiction.

    If your addicted to gambling... Regulation limits me from exploiting you.

    Governments have learned time and time again that prohibitions do not work. Anyone arguing for a prohibition is foolish.

    All we have to do is look at how that war on drugs is coming along.
    so we need to regulate the use of video games because video games themselves are addictive.

    again...dopamine. Anything and everything that makes you smile for a job well done, from gambling to working nights....is addictive.

    so why gambling? should we regulate working too much as well?

    I am going to go out on a limb here and say this

    you guys want gambling out of video games because its a bad game design, it makes your gaming experience less pleasant and you want to see it gone. TOTALLY reasonable, TOTALLY believable.
    you cant however, make a bad developer into a good developer by micro-managing their design choices thru legislation. you need to not buy the games

    its not about addictions and its not about kids 
    laserit
  • It's time for government regulation...

    Here is the thing broken down to its elements.

    1. RNG (I know RNG is not gambling just stick with me on this) is a basic fundamental part of pretty much all games. Games are pretty much a combination of skill and RNG in which the RNG provides the adventure.

    2. Thus the debate over 'gambling' specifically is around the question of VALUE. Does a digital red hat have value? how does a red hat have more value then a +1 sword? if a +1 sword has value then does that also mean my table top game in which I write down '+1 sword' have value? not an easy question to answer.

    3. Is something of value ONLY when it has dollar values assigned to it?

    4. CONCLUSION...THE GOOD PART...its going to be really hard to argue that RNG for value is fine but as soon as you assign a man made measurement of value called 'dollars' then it suddenly and magically become a highly addictive substance that needs to be controlled more so then most things in video games. but to be fair that these are the same points I would make about gambling and clearly its been censored many places which I personally think is logically stupid

    and finally..I dont for a second believe peoples movotvation around this subject other than the mothers who dont play video games, is 'about the kids'




    cameltosis
  • EA Files Patent for Matchmaking System Algorithm that Can Track Player Spending - MMORPG.com News

    tawess said:
    SEANMCAD said:

    no its very relevant.

    here is what I see and I see it all the time and I have to combat it alll the time.

    The games I play are NOT considered part of the 'games' when people use the term 'games' and frankly it pisses me off.

    people talk about 'games' they almost always never refer to the games I am refering to as a bucket of 'games' more over what people complain about when they talk about 'games' dont exist in the 'games' I play and yet they want to be combative, arguementive, manpulative and dismissive about the option that the are ASKING FOR!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    at min please at least as a bare min understand that when you use the term 'games these days' there are games that you are explictly leaving out of your rant. its frankly offensive. they ARE games

    3 million people bought 7 days to die ALONE, with a player base of around 3000 people each night. we exist, we are real, we are gamers....fuck me!
    Never said you where not a gamer......
    I didnt say you did

    when one uses the term 'games these days' and variables of that phrase keep in mind that there are games you are NOT including in that term and its offensive. 

    it happens all the time, now regarding being combative, dismissing and arguementive about revealing games that do not have loot boxes please check yourself!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! complaining about lootboxes being in(all) games and then being arguementive to someone who has a list of games that dont have it! and then just assuming without even looking into it that you would not like said games is...fucked up

    I deal with this all the time, multiple forums every day. people are dismissive about these games even EXISTING...let alone their high sales for being non-games it appears.

    I never see loot boxes in the games I play
    tawessMrMelGibson
  • EA Files Patent for Matchmaking System Algorithm that Can Track Player Spending - MMORPG.com News

    tawess said:
    SEANMCAD said:

    I play video games every week and i have NEVER experienced a loot box.

    They are not 'everywhere' its just people have been programmed to think only AAA games are games
    Good for you... Entirely irrelevant to what i said... But good for you. Especially as i can show you thousands of games that are designed THE... EXACT... OPPOSITE... Then i could go on to show you the other parts of of society where things slowly but surely becomes not about the customer but how much can be squeezed out of said customer... And it is sad to see where and why the advances are made. 

    But yes... Small and medium sized indie developers do live on their players good will and can not afford to chance it. But once they make it big they tend to go another round and add just that... Hi pubg and Angry Birds... 
    no its very relevant.

    here is what I see and I see it all the time and I have to combat it alll the time.

    The games I play are NOT considered part of the 'games' when people use the term 'games' and frankly it pisses me off.

    people talk about 'games' they almost always never refer to the games I am refering to as a bucket of 'games' more over what people complain about when they talk about 'games' dont exist in the 'games' I play and yet they want to be combative, arguementive, manpulative and dismissive about the option that the are ASKING FOR!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    at min please at least as a bare min understand that when you use the term 'games these days' there are games that you are explictly leaving out of your rant. its frankly offensive. they ARE games

    3 million people bought 7 days to die ALONE, with a player base of around 3000 people each night. we exist, we are real, we are gamers....fuck me!
    MrMelGibsoncameltosis
  • Play Nice Policies Help Reduce Player Toxicity - Saga of Lucimia - MMORPG.com

    Sovrath said:
    Orinori said:

    For starters I don't see how that reply is a reply to that post?
    That my mistake, trying to do two things at once.

    What he is talking about, especially in regards to the Terms of Service is that companies will post one but won't enforce it.

    That's pretty true as I sign into Black Desert and can't believe the talk.

    Play nice means "play nice". Keep one's attitude in their pants, to be crass.

    If the game actually launches it will have a small population so it's going to be pretty easy to monitor. If it was a huge population that would be more difficult and most likely would be cherry picking certain incidents that would service as examples.

    As I said above, harassment isn't difficult to know. People who argue against that are either very dense, were never taught well, or as I continually say, become willfully obtuse "well I didn't know... how could I".

    When you leave the house every day there are expectations put upon you by society. Cross too many lines and you are going to be called on it.

    Nothing different here.

    I'll agree with cheyane here. So to recap, don't harass, if  one doesn't know what that is it's pretty easy to learn, if harassment is part of one's game play then find games where that's ok, problem solved.

    Absolutely.  This isn't examining the finer points of modern morality here; the behavior Renfail is mentioning is very obvious and very intentional.
    I want to make an aside observation and its just that, its not intended to be mean so please consider that with your response or lack of response which would be preferred personally speaking but I do feel it important to say.

    we just had a conversation (I think with you as well) over how violence is natural thus not immoral.  I do not think you are aware that you are in effect saying violence is not immoral but bad mouthing someone is. I wish people would take a deep look into themselves on that, its fairly common but to be I find it disturbing.



    Kyleran