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  • AMD Raven Ridge kills the low end discrete GPU.

    A Ryzen 5 2400G for $170 has an integrated GPU with performance that is basically equivalent to a Radeon RX 550 or a GeForce GT 1030.  On the CPU side, it's basically a higher clocked version of a Ryzen 5 1500X that costs $160.  (Yes, I'm aware of the cache differences, but that could favor either option.)  That makes it a good enough deal to be an interesting option even if you don't care about the GPU.

    Thus, if you want a faster GPU than the integrated GPU in the Ryzen 5 2400G, you'd have to step up to either a Radeon RX 560 or a GeForce GTX 1050.  The cheapest new versions of those at New Egg are $140 and $150, respectively.  Add in the cost of a comparable CPU and you're looking at $300+ as the next step up over a $170 APU.

    And if that's too expensive, there's also the Ryzen 3 2200 for $100, which is basically equivalent to a higher clocked version of a Ryzen 3 1300X that costs $125.  You lose some GPU performance by going with the next bin down, but it's still the fastest integrated GPU available by a considerable margin other than the higher bin of it.

    Let's not forget the advantage that the cryptocurrency miners will ignore the new APUs.  Probably.  They rely on DDR4 system memory, so they won't have the high memory bandwidth needed for Ethereum mining.

    Raven Ridge isn't going to kill off high end discrete GPUs, of course.  That will have to wait a while.  But is an integrated GPU viable for a budget gaming desktop?  Now it is--and now, for the first time, you get a good CPU with a good integrated GPU.
  • AMD upping their graphics game

    Avanah said:
    I have tried AMD once in my Life (CPU and GPU) going for Cheaper instead of Quality. Never again!

    Intel may cost a little more but the quality far outshines AMD.

    To me, Intel > AMD!  Always! I will never touch an AMD product again.
    Have fun with your Intel integrated graphics.  Hope you don't get ideas about playing games on it.  On the bright side, Intel graphics have improved enough that they can usually display the desktop pretty well.  They used to struggle with that.
  • OH God ... Can one of these upcoming titles go into beta already?

    I'm sure that some aspiring developer will see this thread and say, you know what, let's push the game into beta early so that someone who made an all caps thread title can play it.  Because people who make all caps thread titles are the most profitable demographic to target.
  • Do you chase graphics cards?

    mgilbrtsn said:
    There are frequently articles about the latest amd or Intel graphics cards.  Usually with an associated amd vs. Intel discussion. (Which seems a waste ..... Go Intel
    Here's a review of the latest Intel graphics card:


    Note the date:  1998.  Not this millennium, even.  So no, I sure hope people aren't still chasing Intel graphics cards.
  • Lets build a definition of "MMOG" most of us can live with

    The Internet suggests that MMOG is Materials Management Operations Guidelines.


    More seriously, what we need is not so much a hard cut-off of what is or is not an MMOG, but rather, a sliding scale of massively multiplayerness.  Perhaps a time average over the time while you are actively playing the game of the logarithm of the number of players in the same instance as you with whom you plausibly could meaningfully interact.