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A guide on being recruited
Nicoli
Member Posts: 1,312
in EVE Online
I posted this in the Server stability post to answer a question here so I figured I would make a new thread to make it easier for new member to read to get some help when looking for a new corp to join. Also using some stuff by Elnator that he has posted. This will cover some things from both the recruiter and Recruitee side.
First I'll give you guys the low down on recruiting requirements from a
CEO/Corp perspective so you understand our reasoning and why we have
the restrictions.
NO Trial -- Basically trial accounts are
people that haven't solidified that they are going to stay in EVE. As
corps do have a max member limit based on skill training it can be a
management nightmare to keep track of who is inactive do to RL and who
is a trial account that will never comeback. Also a good chance that
you don't know what you want to do in EVE yet and with limited corp
resources I don't want to help someone out that will leave the corp in
a few days.
SP requirement -- First these weed out alts. most
alts have next to no training on them so by saying you have to have
1mil SP or so means the character isn't a alt. Other reasons is some
corps participate in activities that will give you NO learning time.
When you join you will be tossed into the thick of things and you'll
either sink or swim. In alot of cases having more SP gives you a better
understanding of the game abd as such a greater chance of swimming the
sinking. As a personnal expierence once a player has around 1-2mil SP
they start to realise what they don't know which makes them more
receptive to take suggestions from us who have been around a while.
Convo
me/join a channel -- Believe it or not this is a weeding out tool in
recruitment. CEO's want people who take initative, and aren't afraid to
speak up. EVE supports aggresive personalities, these are the people
who aren't going to fall through the cracks of the corp and leave
because they are pissed from the lack of help. We can't help those who
don't tell us they are in need. Also when you approach a corp, ask a
bunch of questions, you'll wnd up enjoying it more likely if you do
join anyway.
Now that you have all that I'll use Elnator as a example and I'll quote his reply once I'm done. When he went looking for a corp, he more and likely new a few things:
1. What type of activities he enjoys
2. What how he can help a corp meet its goal
3. What he hope the corp can help him with
Those
3 things are key to finding a good corp and alot of newer players
haven't figured them out yet. You can usually identify people who
don't know these because they have a new corp in they're employment
history every few days. or they are a corp spy which means if you
switch corps alot don't expect a lot of corps to be wiling to take you
on either.
Anyway hopefully sall that rambling helps someone
with a understanding of things and I'm sure I have missed a few reasons
elsewhere.
Reply by Elnator
Good example Nicoli,
And I'll go even further and agree 200% on
the 'be agressive and ask questions' when joining a corp. When I was
looking I contacted 3 recruiters.
Before they even started talking I hit all 3 with the same questions:
1) What hours does the bulk of your corp play
2) What type of activities does your corp primarily do
3) Where is the corp's base of operations and how often do you move
From there I started digging down into those categories to find out:
a) What would be required of me by the corp
b) How the corp helps it's members (or doesn't)
c) What kind of allliances the corp is in and how often it changes
d) How long it's been around
I
didn't get *asked* a single question (and I don't generally get asked a
lot of questions on Job interviews either because I tend to do the same
thing there.) I know how I like to play and I ask questions to
determine if my playstyle will mesh with that of the corp.
Don't
be rude or overbearing but by asking pointed, but polite, questions you
will not only instil confidence in the recruiter you're talking to but
you will also show that you have a desire to succeed. And that is key.
First I'll give you guys the low down on recruiting requirements from a
CEO/Corp perspective so you understand our reasoning and why we have
the restrictions.
NO Trial -- Basically trial accounts are
people that haven't solidified that they are going to stay in EVE. As
corps do have a max member limit based on skill training it can be a
management nightmare to keep track of who is inactive do to RL and who
is a trial account that will never comeback. Also a good chance that
you don't know what you want to do in EVE yet and with limited corp
resources I don't want to help someone out that will leave the corp in
a few days.
SP requirement -- First these weed out alts. most
alts have next to no training on them so by saying you have to have
1mil SP or so means the character isn't a alt. Other reasons is some
corps participate in activities that will give you NO learning time.
When you join you will be tossed into the thick of things and you'll
either sink or swim. In alot of cases having more SP gives you a better
understanding of the game abd as such a greater chance of swimming the
sinking. As a personnal expierence once a player has around 1-2mil SP
they start to realise what they don't know which makes them more
receptive to take suggestions from us who have been around a while.
Convo
me/join a channel -- Believe it or not this is a weeding out tool in
recruitment. CEO's want people who take initative, and aren't afraid to
speak up. EVE supports aggresive personalities, these are the people
who aren't going to fall through the cracks of the corp and leave
because they are pissed from the lack of help. We can't help those who
don't tell us they are in need. Also when you approach a corp, ask a
bunch of questions, you'll wnd up enjoying it more likely if you do
join anyway.
Now that you have all that I'll use Elnator as a example and I'll quote his reply once I'm done. When he went looking for a corp, he more and likely new a few things:
1. What type of activities he enjoys
2. What how he can help a corp meet its goal
3. What he hope the corp can help him with
Those
3 things are key to finding a good corp and alot of newer players
haven't figured them out yet. You can usually identify people who
don't know these because they have a new corp in they're employment
history every few days. or they are a corp spy which means if you
switch corps alot don't expect a lot of corps to be wiling to take you
on either.
Anyway hopefully sall that rambling helps someone
with a understanding of things and I'm sure I have missed a few reasons
elsewhere.
Reply by Elnator
Good example Nicoli,
And I'll go even further and agree 200% on
the 'be agressive and ask questions' when joining a corp. When I was
looking I contacted 3 recruiters.
Before they even started talking I hit all 3 with the same questions:
1) What hours does the bulk of your corp play
2) What type of activities does your corp primarily do
3) Where is the corp's base of operations and how often do you move
From there I started digging down into those categories to find out:
a) What would be required of me by the corp
b) How the corp helps it's members (or doesn't)
c) What kind of allliances the corp is in and how often it changes
d) How long it's been around
I
didn't get *asked* a single question (and I don't generally get asked a
lot of questions on Job interviews either because I tend to do the same
thing there.) I know how I like to play and I ask questions to
determine if my playstyle will mesh with that of the corp.
Don't
be rude or overbearing but by asking pointed, but polite, questions you
will not only instil confidence in the recruiter you're talking to but
you will also show that you have a desire to succeed. And that is key.
Comments
Each corp is different though and not all require what you just wrote out. There are corps out their for beginners and for trail members, plus for alts etc. My corp is probably the easiest ne to join, just 2 things, #1 paid subscriber, when I see 15 days or longer under your employment history, your in, and #2 loyal to my corp. I dont care what you decide to do, scam, pirate, thief, whatever, stay true to the corp and enjoy the ride.
Actually the easiest way to join is getting int he recruitment channel on Eve. Plus asking around and posting on forums. Eve-Online.com has their own forums for recruiting and this site does to, just put down your looking, what your looking for and how a corp responds to you should be which one you join. Remember its not the recruit that joins, its the recruit that decides what to join. A unfriendly corp that isnt willing to help, isnt a corp to join. So how they act towards you, the recruit, is whats important.
If you stick it out to the 1 mil sp point in your starting corp you'll probably learn how to be self sufficent and know what your capable of. The corps that don't have any Sp requirements will take anyone, they'll help you learn but they'll also have anyone who wanted to pop in and join and they're just begging for people to talk to or fill out they're member sheet. There is a good chance they're a starter/recruiting corp who trains people for they're alliance, these could be a nice place to join because they will knowingly guide you through at your level with alts but will take you with open arms once you come of age and can be an asset to their main corp.
Research and experience are always your friend in finding a guild/corp/tribe in every game.