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CES 2025: Nvidia Announces 50-Series Blackwell GPUs, Starting at $549 | MMORPG.com

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imageCES 2025: Nvidia Announces 50-Series Blackwell GPUs, Starting at $549 | MMORPG.com

Nvidia's CES 2025 kicked off tonight, with Team Green showcasing the future of its graphics technology.

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  • GreatswordGreatsword Member RarePosts: 437
    Finally. Time to upgrade my 4090 which was really running out of juice and starting to show its age.
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  • cheyanecheyane Member LegendaryPosts: 9,435
    I have a 3080 which I got in 2023 seems to be okay still but I don't play the very latest games so will wait and get the 4 series when the price goes down some more. I am always 2 cycles behind.
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  • xdave78xdave78 Member UncommonPosts: 123
    Shut up and take my money :D
    My 3080 is really struggeling in ARK - its about time.
  • Hawkeye666Hawkeye666 Member UncommonPosts: 44
    Built a new gaming rig with a 4080 Super last Labor Day. Oh well. Microcenter does take RTX back in trade. Temptation is real....
  • harken33harken33 Member RarePosts: 323
    Just got a gaming rig last summer with a  4080 so i wont be rushing out to replace it, but going to be looking seriously at these models when i do.

    Nvidia making moves for sure, they have almost increased their stock price by 200% over the last year.
  • QuizzicalQuizzical Member LegendaryPosts: 25,562
    575 W in a two slot cooler is such a bad idea.
    ValdemarJ
  • QuizzicalQuizzical Member LegendaryPosts: 25,562
    Remember when $500 bought you a high end card?  Now it won't even buy you Nvidia's bottom of the line.  Prices are going to keep going up until people stop paying them.

    I want to wait and see what AMD announces, but it's most likely that I'm going to end up buying Intel.
    ValdemarJ
  • ForgrimmForgrimm Member EpicPosts: 3,070

    Quizzical said:

    Remember when $500 bought you a high end card?  Now it won't even buy you Nvidia's bottom of the line.  Prices are going to keep going up until people stop paying them.

    I want to wait and see what AMD announces, but it's most likely that I'm going to end up buying Intel.



    Not complete bottom of the line, the 5060 will be released later on. But I agree, the prices have gotten ridiculous.
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  • AngrakhanAngrakhan Member EpicPosts: 1,967
    edited January 7
    Prices have gotten insane and have increased well faster than the rate of inflation. We have crypto and AI to thank for that. Unfortunately, now that the prices have gotten this high, and Nvidia has seen that their products will sell at those prices, there's no way they will be dropping them any time soon. It doesn't help that AMD has lost the GPU wars and has decided to instead retreat from the high end market and focus on mid/entry tier GPUs meaning Nvidia basically has no competition. This will not be good for the market at all because Nvidia will just get fatter and happier than they already are, so expect less innovation from them while prices continue to trend higher. Hopefully a new contender will enter the ring to compete with Nvidia, but it would probably take someone on the level of Google or Microsoft to compete with them because no one else has the budget or appetite to go head to head with the king.

    That all being said I will probably finally pull the trigger and upgrade my gaming rig which is still on a 2080 RTX. I'll upgrade the whole rig because everything is behind at this point. I expect I will see a big performance boost, and I probably won't upgrade again until the 8080 series is released. That's the downside, for Nvidia, of such ridiculous pricing is very few people try to keep up with the latest hardware like we used to back in the day of $500 cards.
  • ValdemarJValdemarJ Member RarePosts: 1,484
    Nvidia won't innovate less because gaming isn't their target market or a driver in innovation anymore, AI is. They're so ahead of the curve it isn't funny. The lower tier consumer grade cards are likely just an easy low hanging revenue filler.

    Check out this YT video on where the AI industry is at. It's long, but actually informative. You don't have to watch the entire video, just jump to the sections that seem relevant.



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  • VrikaVrika Member LegendaryPosts: 8,020
    edited January 7
    Quizzical said:
    Remember when $500 bought you a high end card?  Now it won't even buy you Nvidia's bottom of the line.  Prices are going to keep going up until people stop paying them.

    I want to wait and see what AMD announces, but it's most likely that I'm going to end up buying Intel.
    To be fair to NVidia, RTX 5060 will probably launch at $299.

    This is based on RTX 4060 launch price that was $299. NVidia managed to drop the launch price for RTX 5080, 5070 TI and 5070 from what RTX 4080, 4070 TI and 4070 did cost at launch. I don't hold much hope that they will be able to drop the price for 5060, but at the very least it's unlikely to be more expensive than what RTX 4060 was.
     
  • Slapshot1188Slapshot1188 Member LegendaryPosts: 17,776
    I traditionally always wanted to build my own PCs but the video cards are just prohibitively expensive to buy commercially. My last PC (2023 Black Friday) cost about $200 more (prebuilt) than me just buying the video card.  Now I fully understand the difference in parts inside… but it’s really hard for me to justify building when it’s going to cost so much more….

    The OEM companies get a massive discount which makes it hard to compete. 
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  • AngrakhanAngrakhan Member EpicPosts: 1,967

    ValdemarJ said:

    Nvidia won't innovate less because gaming isn't their target market or a driver in innovation anymore, AI is. They're so ahead of the curve it isn't funny. The lower tier consumer grade cards are likely just an easy low hanging revenue filler.

    Check out this YT video on where the AI industry is at. It's long, but actually informative. You don't have to watch the entire video, just jump to the sections that seem relevant.






    I'm sure they will continue to innovate in the AI sector because that's their bread and butter. I'm dubious they will continue to innovate as much in the GPU sector because that's actually a secondary market for them now. The future is AI, and they're on the tip of the spear. GPU's are just that thing that draws pictures on the screen. Other than the fact they can charge $2000 for a single unit and customers will pay it, I don't think that's their focus anymore. Maybe I'm wrong. It happens.
  • QuizzicalQuizzical Member LegendaryPosts: 25,562
    edited January 7
    ValdemarJ said:
    Nvidia won't innovate less because gaming isn't their target market or a driver in innovation anymore, AI is. They're so ahead of the curve it isn't funny. The lower tier consumer grade cards are likely just an easy low hanging revenue filler.

    Check out this YT video on where the AI industry is at. It's long, but actually informative. You don't have to watch the entire video, just jump to the sections that seem relevant.
    At some point, an industry is mature and there is less room for innovation apart from taking advantage of better process nodes.  That's not a case of Nvidia getting lazy.  It's a case of there being less room to improve now than there was 20 years ago.  Nvidia is still trying to innovate, but the most recent graphics innovations that I regard as particularly important are more efficient handling of draw calls (in Vulkan and DirectX 12) and AdaptiveSync, both of which date to about 2016 or so.  (AI may be important, but it's not a graphics innovation.)

    On GPU compute, including but not limited to AI, Nvidia basically has the advantage of having a near-monopoly in a large market.  That doesn't just give them good profits, but gives them monopoly pricing power, as they can say, you have to pay what we charge or do without.

    You might think that AMD would be a rival to Nvidia on GPU compute, but I think that AMD is institutionally incapable of being a major player in that space.  For one, high end products require huge dies, and AMD is allergic to going that route.  AMD has had tremendous success with chiplets in CPUs, but that just doesn't work very well in GPUs, as GPUs need massively more bandwidth than CPUs.  How many tens of terabytes per second do you want to push across a silicon interposer, and how much power are you going to burn to do so?

    The other problem AMD has with GPU compute is one of drivers.  If you want to use an AMD GPU to do graphics on a Windows desktop or on a game console, then you will have good driver support.  If you want to use an AMD GPU for anything else at all, your mileage may vary.  Sometimes it will be good.  Sometimes it will be spotty.  Sometimes it will be non-existent.  Sometimes it will be good until it gets discontinued unreasonably quickly.  You just can't be a major player in enterprise spaces if you're actively giving people reason to distrust your driver support, as AMD has a long history of doing.

    That said, Nvidia's near-monopoly on GPU compute is likely coming to an end in the near future.  Intel is poised to become the major rival that AMD isn't.  Intel's driver support for GPU compute is far, far ahead of AMD's.  I don't mean that it might someday be better.  I mean it's better today, and it's not even close.  Intel has a decent GPU compute architecture, though this is a recent development.  AMD has had a good architecture for GPU compute since 2012 and can't figure out what to do with it.

    All that is missing is for Intel to scale it up and build huge chips and huge packages as you need to for the high end GPU compute space.  They've done so for many generations of Xeons, so I fully expect them to do so for GPUs very soon.
  • AngrakhanAngrakhan Member EpicPosts: 1,967
    AMD has officially thrown in the towel on the high end GPU market. They admit they can't keep up without saying it in so many words. Also all you have to do is google Nvidia total value and then AMD total value and look at the two numbers to see that NVidia is in a whole different galaxy than AMD. $3.47 trillion versus $208 billion. I mean come on, can AMD realistically keep up? Intel is even less at $87 billion, so I don't really see how they're going to suddenly come in and take over the lead or even put up a fight, but we'll see. Hopefully someone can because, as you say, Nvidia pretty much is a monopoly at this point.
  • GorweGorwe Member Posts: 1,639
    edited January 7
    cheyane said:
    I have a 3080 which I got in 2023 seems to be okay still but I don't play the very latest games so will wait and get the 4 series when the price goes down some more. I am always 2 cycles behind.
    I simply can't care about all these modern gimmicks. Ray Tracing, Path Tracing etc, super expensive games, super big games ...

    ... It all results in me not caring about most modern games. /shrug

    (And no, I do not want any form of DLSS tyvm! Give me proper Native performance)
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  • IceAgeIceAge Member EpicPosts: 3,210

    Quizzical said:

    575 W in a two slot cooler is such a bad idea.



    Precisely this!

    ..how did they not think of this and a random dude over the internet, happened to give the last blow to Nvidia.




    Quizzical said:

    Remember when $500 bought you a high end card?  Now it won't even buy you Nvidia's bottom of the line.  Prices are going to keep going up until people stop paying them.

    I want to wait and see what AMD announces, but it's most likely that I'm going to end up buying Intel.



    I remember a friend paying 1 apartment in 1999 with 2 rooms for 2 AMD K6-2 450MHZ to open a internet caffee with another friend. Aka he sold the apartment and almost all the money he got from it , he bought 2 computers.

    ..and you cry over a TOP ( TOP TOP ) graphic card price? Do you know how many high end computers can I now buy if I sell an apartment with 2 room?

    And yes, I was being sarcastic with my first quote.
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  • QuizzicalQuizzical Member LegendaryPosts: 25,562
    Angrakhan said:
    AMD has officially thrown in the towel on the high end GPU market. They admit they can't keep up without saying it in so many words. Also all you have to do is google Nvidia total value and then AMD total value and look at the two numbers to see that NVidia is in a whole different galaxy than AMD. $3.47 trillion versus $208 billion. I mean come on, can AMD realistically keep up? Intel is even less at $87 billion, so I don't really see how they're going to suddenly come in and take over the lead or even put up a fight, but we'll see. Hopefully someone can because, as you say, Nvidia pretty much is a monopoly at this point.
    Market cap is mostly driven by Nvidia's selling compute cards, not graphics.  Nvidia basically has a monopoly in that market.  I also think that Nvidia is very overvalued right now.  What happens to their profit margins when you can buy an Intel GPU that gives you 80% of the performance for 30% of the price tag?  Intel doesn't have to match Nvidia at top end performance to take a huge bite out of their profits.
  • QuizzicalQuizzical Member LegendaryPosts: 25,562
    IceAge said:

    Quizzical said:

    575 W in a two slot cooler is such a bad idea.



    Precisely this!

    ..how did they not think of this and a random dude over the internet, happened to give the last blow to Nvidia.
    That's also what I said about putting 450 W in a two slot cooler, and then a bunch of power connectors melted.

    I don't want a 575 W video card in my desktop, regardless of the price or performance.  And furthermore, I think that the people who do want that are weird.  (In a server that is physically farther away is totally different.)
  • IceAgeIceAge Member EpicPosts: 3,210
    edited January 8

    Quizzical said:


    IceAge said:



    Quizzical said:


    575 W in a two slot cooler is such a bad idea.






    Precisely this!



    ..how did they not think of this and a random dude over the internet, happened to give the last blow to Nvidia.


    That's also what I said about putting 450 W in a two slot cooler, and then a bunch of power connectors melted.




    Yup, that's why you don't build your PC...unless you know how to build your PC.

    Next time pay more attention to your motherboard .

    What you said its the beginner's fault.

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  • GorweGorwe Member Posts: 1,639
    edited January 8
    Quizzical said:
    IceAge said:

    Quizzical said:

    575 W in a two slot cooler is such a bad idea.



    Precisely this!

    ..how did they not think of this and a random dude over the internet, happened to give the last blow to Nvidia.
    That's also what I said about putting 450 W in a two slot cooler, and then a bunch of power connectors melted.

    I don't want a 575 W video card in my desktop, regardless of the price or performance.  And furthermore, I think that the people who do want that are weird.  (In a server that is physically farther away is totally different.)
    Wait, which 5000 series is a 575W?

    Regardless, these cards seem like a scam. At first glance they might seem phenomenal, but then you start noticing details and how anything below 5070Ti is ... a waste of money. 192bit BUS(I think)? 12GB RAM? The prices ... ? And what about the performance? They say up to twice(not twice flat) and WITH DLSS. Which means upscaling which means far from acceptable visuals. And such.

    nVidia REALLY needs a competitor. I don't think either AMD or Intel are going to be it because those two are gonna fight over entry and mid tiers. Everything else is and is going to remain nV's playground.
  • sweetdreamssweetdreams Member UncommonPosts: 219
    No thank you. McDonald’s value graphics card.
  • IceAgeIceAge Member EpicPosts: 3,210
    Gorwe said:
    Quizzical said:
    IceAge said:

    Quizzical said:

    575 W in a two slot cooler is such a bad idea.



    Precisely this!

    ..how did they not think of this and a random dude over the internet, happened to give the last blow to Nvidia.
    That's also what I said about putting 450 W in a two slot cooler, and then a bunch of power connectors melted.

    I don't want a 575 W video card in my desktop, regardless of the price or performance.  And furthermore, I think that the people who do want that are weird.  (In a server that is physically farther away is totally different.)
    Wait, which 5000 series is a 575W?

    Regardless, these cards seem like a scam. At first glance they might seem phenomenal, but then you start noticing details and how anything below 5070Ti is ... a waste of money. 192bit BUS(I think)? 12GB RAM? The prices ... ? And what about the performance? They say up to twice(not twice flat) and WITH DLSS. Which means upscaling which means far from acceptable visuals. And such.

    nVidia REALLY needs a competitor. I don't think either AMD or Intel are going to be it because those two are gonna fight over entry and mid tiers. Everything else is and is going to remain nV's playground.
    The 5090.

    ..but what? Scam? I'm sure there were some like you when 1080 was announced, 2080, 3080, 4080/4090, etc. 

    You don't have to buy it. Really .. 
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  • GorweGorwe Member Posts: 1,639
    edited January 8
    IceAge said:
    Gorwe said:
    Quizzical said:
    IceAge said:

    Quizzical said:

    575 W in a two slot cooler is such a bad idea.



    Precisely this!

    ..how did they not think of this and a random dude over the internet, happened to give the last blow to Nvidia.
    That's also what I said about putting 450 W in a two slot cooler, and then a bunch of power connectors melted.

    I don't want a 575 W video card in my desktop, regardless of the price or performance.  And furthermore, I think that the people who do want that are weird.  (In a server that is physically farther away is totally different.)
    Wait, which 5000 series is a 575W?

    Regardless, these cards seem like a scam. At first glance they might seem phenomenal, but then you start noticing details and how anything below 5070Ti is ... a waste of money. 192bit BUS(I think)? 12GB RAM? The prices ... ? And what about the performance? They say up to twice(not twice flat) and WITH DLSS. Which means upscaling which means far from acceptable visuals. And such.

    nVidia REALLY needs a competitor. I don't think either AMD or Intel are going to be it because those two are gonna fight over entry and mid tiers. Everything else is and is going to remain nV's playground.
    The 5090.

    ..but what? Scam? I'm sure there were some like you when 1080 was announced, 2080, 3080, 4080/4090, etc. 

    You don't have to buy it. Really .. 
    80+ series are simply overpriced. But they are actually great. Even if there are some considerations that make me question their value. 80 series seems like a great value for gaming. 90 series always seemed like an entry level workstation or some such. Would not take it for gaming UNLESS I found a wild deal. In reality this is closer to "never" than to "maybe". 


    50-70 series are almost always overpriced AND a scam. Why is it still ok they sell cards with BUS under 200 bits AND memory below 16GB? I would ALWAYS purchase an 800 series from AMD before anything from nV. The only considerations are 800 vs 70Ti and 900 vs 80.

    The only alright cards have been the 70Ti series. Truth be told. And even then, when compared to AMD's 800 series, it is ... alright, but still overpriced.
  • QuizzicalQuizzical Member LegendaryPosts: 25,562
    IceAge said:

    Quizzical said:


    IceAge said:



    Quizzical said:


    575 W in a two slot cooler is such a bad idea.






    Precisely this!



    ..how did they not think of this and a random dude over the internet, happened to give the last blow to Nvidia.


    That's also what I said about putting 450 W in a two slot cooler, and then a bunch of power connectors melted.




    Yup, that's why you don't build your PC...unless you know how to build your PC.

    Next time pay more attention to your motherboard .

    What you said its the beginner's fault.
    Disassembling a 2x8-pin to 12-pin power connector to make sure that all of the wires are placed exactly right is far beyond what should be expected in order to build a computer.
    ValdemarJGorwe
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