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Star Citizen's Latest Restructuring and Layoffs Target High-Level Execs | MMORPG.com

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edited December 2024 in News & Features Discussion

imageStar Citizen's Latest Restructuring and Layoffs Target High-Level Execs | MMORPG.com

Cloud Imperium's turmoil finally hits the top of the ladder as it looks to achieve Squadron 42 and Star Citizen's commerial launches.

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  • EldrachEldrach Member RarePosts: 469
    edited December 2024
    If they actually make the 2026 Window - the game will have to be a huge success in order to maintain the server infrastructure and to cover future development costs. That is, if they do as promised and stop selling in game pay to win items
  • AkaradrinAkaradrin Member UncommonPosts: 28
    edited December 2024

    Eldrach said:

    If they actually make the 2026 Window - the game will have to be a huge success in order to maintain the server infrastructure and to cover future development costs. That is, if they do as promised and stop selling in game pay to win items



    The 2026 window is for Squadron 42, the single player game. Star Citizen (the MMO) doesn't have a release date yet. Is easy to forget that CIG is developing two games.
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  • Slapshot1188Slapshot1188 Member LegendaryPosts: 17,781
    All is well
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  • sabrefoxxsabrefoxx Member UncommonPosts: 254
    So the game will never finish at this rate. If it does, most of us will be so elderly our fingers won't even be able to play the game. They should have made a functioning game first as a proof of concept then made star citizen 2 as a "universe" that they are building right now.

    But no, they wanted the money, they promised a ton of features that they can't even fulfill (remember ten for the chairman?), and now they've paid CR a salary that's likely way above other members of his company and when they talk of running out of money they fire lower level employees rather than cut CR's salary. How much is he paid? a few million at least.

    We just wanted a space game of our dreams, internal/external on foot, on ship, space game. They should have made a freakin' game, not this universe crap. I don't mind loading screens, I don't mind non-immersive gamified features, at this point I just want a finished product.

    1.0 is far off and won't come with 100 star systems. They've promised 5, but we'll be lucky if they get a stable release of 2.

    The whales must have stopped buying ships as often because they now realize that large ships require dedicated crew members which are hard to find without a well organized corp.

    CR better have a will in place because even he is not likely to see a release of this game as it was first envisioned.
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  • helothelot Member UncommonPosts: 122
    Well at least you paid for a cushy lifestyle for these scammers all these years. Grats.
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  • AngrakhanAngrakhan Member EpicPosts: 1,978
    So where's Babs to tell us this is all normal business as usual and the company and game are just fine? I mean it's normal to lay off your top level executives, right? Happens all the time in healthy companies.
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  • GoldenTuataraGoldenTuatara Member UncommonPosts: 27
    Fool me once, shame on me.

    Fool me 750 million times?

    *shrug*

    Maybe Elon Musk could buy it? LMAO.
  • ScotScot Member LegendaryPosts: 24,641
    This looks quite dire and to see it any other way is keeping your head in the sand, the lay offs are not just these recent ones, they go back the whole year. There comes a point when selling ships for a game that has not launched is no longer a profitable business and it looks like they are past that point.

    So what we may now see is a rushed job to get something out, that does not bode well for polish or content.
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  • KeladorKelador Member UncommonPosts: 138
    edited December 2024

    Akaradrin said:



    Eldrach said:


    If they actually make the 2026 Window - the game will have to be a huge success in order to maintain the server infrastructure and to cover future development costs. That is, if they do as promised and stop selling in game pay to win items






    The 2026 window is for Squadron 42, the single player game. Star Citizen (the MMO) doesn't have a release date yet. Is easy to forget that CIG is developing two games.



    Lets not forget that Squadrons is a trilogy they plan to release part 1 in 2026, so they are developing 4 games really.

    We know since they opened their new HQ in Manchester UK they was planning on shifting most of the development there and closing down offices abroad would be nice to see how much of these layoffs are due to people not wanting to re-locate to the UK.

    They also put a stop to remote working which meant some people that refused to go back to the office was let go and I have zero symphony for those people.
  • dchippiedchippie Member UncommonPosts: 59
    im not defending CIG , but look at another game in development ,

    GTA VI , i was reading its still in development after 11 years and its going to cost $2 billion.

    Just because CIG are more open about there development it just gives you a chance to moan lol oh and they are making two games with that $750 million and the time its taking.

  • ScotScot Member LegendaryPosts: 24,641
    edited December 2024
    dchippie said:
    im not defending CIG , but look at another game in development ,

    GTA VI , i was reading its still in development after 11 years and its going to cost $2 billion.

    Just because CIG are more open about there development it just gives you a chance to moan lol oh and they are making two games with that $750 million and the time its taking.

    But Rockstar has made many great games, CIG has got nothing out the door yet. While I am not one to give a green light to a studio because of track record, a good record does compare favourably with no record.

    I am not suggesting we need to throw are hands up in the air and start checking if the sky has fallen, just that it does not look good.
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  • olepiolepi Member EpicPosts: 3,119
    edited December 2024
    Like re-arranging the deck chairs on the Titanic. We used to call it "re-organize to create the illusion of progress."

    Star Citizen will probably go down as one of the worst managed projects of all time, with some of the most predatory marketing of all time too.

    And I'll add that CIG appears to be a terrible employer too, forcing their workers to work 7 days a week and on holidays without pay. Then laying them off before they could use the supposed time off they got instead of pay. Scummy company.
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  • kitaradkitarad Member LegendaryPosts: 8,190
    dchippie said:
    im not defending CIG , but look at another game in development ,

    GTA VI , i was reading its still in development after 11 years and its going to cost $2 billion.

    Just because CIG are more open about there development it just gives you a chance to moan lol oh and they are making two games with that $750 million and the time its taking.

    Is GTA 6 asking the public to fund their game by buying JPEGs of ships or any such thing? Is Rockstar asking people to wait over 10 years after they have 'donated' to the game? Why would you compare the two developments? It is not the time but the manner in which Star Citizen raised their funds that is the issue.
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  • Slapshot1188Slapshot1188 Member LegendaryPosts: 17,781
    dchippie said:
    im not defending CIG , but look at another game in development ,

    GTA VI , i was reading its still in development after 11 years and its going to cost $2 billion.

    Just because CIG are more open about there development it just gives you a chance to moan lol oh and they are making two games with that $750 million and the time its taking.

    “I’m not defending CIG”

    Then proceeds to defend and justify them…


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  • olepiolepi Member EpicPosts: 3,119



    dchippie said:

    im not defending CIG , but look at another game in development ,



    GTA VI , i was reading its still in development after 11 years and its going to cost $2 billion.



    Just because CIG are more open about there development it just gives you a chance to moan lol oh and they are making two games with that $750 million and the time its taking.





    “I’m not defending CIG”

    Then proceeds to defend and justify them…





    Rockstar Games has a decades long history of releasing hit games. GTA5 sold over 180 million copies, making it perhaps the highest selling game of all time. GTA6 has a release date of Q3 next year, and people have confidence that they will release yet another masterpiece.

    CIG has a history of ludicrous claims to release that never happen. They have missed every deadline they announced by huge margins. Any comparison of CIG and Rockstar just makes CIG look worse.
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  • ScotScot Member LegendaryPosts: 24,641
    edited December 2024
    A better comparison would with studios who do not have a game out yet and SC certainty seems to be further ahead than many I have seen. But that does not mean they will even reach the finishing line and layoffs raises even stronger questions about what sort of game we will actually get.
  • KyleranKyleran Member LegendaryPosts: 44,257
    Scot said:
    A better comparison would with studios who do not have a game out yet and SC certainty seems to be further ahead than many I have seen. But that does not mean they will even reach the finishing line and layoffs raises even stronger questions about what sort of game we will actually get.
    Considering the amount of money collected there really is no other project that this effort can be properly compared to.


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  • AngrakhanAngrakhan Member EpicPosts: 1,978
    All I know is that in my software development career I've certainly seen my share of rounds of layoffs. Of all the rounds I've seen, only two included multiple high level executives in the same round. Both of those rounds ended up being harbingers of the company either getting bought out in a hostile takeover situation colloquially called a "merger" or the company just flat shutting down. It wouldn't surprise me if CR and team are quietly looking for buyers as we speak. I guess we'll see.

    The danger of this news is that their whole business model is built around player confidence. People aren't going to shell out $250+ for a ship if they're not confident the game is going to make it. News about shaky financials also shakes confidence which can then turn into a nasty negative feedback loop and death spiral from which it can be very challenging to recover. I don't relish the thought of them failing given how much money I have invested in the game, but these are just the concerns I have.
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  • GrindcoreTHRALLGrindcoreTHRALL Member UncommonPosts: 346
    edited December 2024

    olepi said:







    dchippie said:


    im not defending CIG , but look at another game in development ,





    GTA VI , i was reading its still in development after 11 years and its going to cost $2 billion.





    Just because CIG are more open about there development it just gives you a chance to moan lol oh and they are making two games with that $750 million and the time its taking.









    “I’m not defending CIG”

    Then proceeds to defend and justify them…








    Rockstar Games has a decades long history of releasing hit games. GTA5 sold over 180 million copies, making it perhaps the highest selling game of all time. GTA6 has a release date of Q3 next year, and people have confidence that they will release yet another masterpiece.



    CIG has a history of ludicrous claims to release that never happen. They have missed every deadline they announced by huge margins. Any comparison of CIG and Rockstar just makes CIG look worse.




    They have not missed every deadline lol. Quit making overly generalized statements.
    olepi said:
    Like re-arranging the deck chairs on the Titanic. We used to call it "re-organize to create the illusion of progress."

    Star Citizen will probably go down as one of the worst managed projects of all time, with some of the most predatory marketing of all time too.

    And I'll add that CIG appears to be a terrible employer too, forcing their workers to work 7 days a week and on holidays without pay. Then laying them off before they could use the supposed time off they got instead of pay. Scummy company.
    You have evidence that the employees laid off didnt get their time off? Seems like you are reaching hard af and accusing them of terrible things without any evidence. If you say read MMORPG's Article and thats proof, then you are even more delusional than your posts make you appear.
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  • ArglebargleArglebargle Member EpicPosts: 3,492

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    They have not missed every deadline lol. Quit making overly generalized statements.
    ....

    So, give us a non-contrived list of CIG hitting their deadlines.  Especially claimed deadlines that they weren't already missing by months or years.

    You know, instead of overly generalized statements....
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  • TillerTiller Member LegendaryPosts: 11,521
    edited December 2024
    Angrakhan said:
    So where's Babs to tell us this is all normal business as usual and the company and game are just fine? I mean it's normal to lay off your top level executives, right? Happens all the time in healthy companies.

    He's working diligently with his team at this very moment developing some plausible ideas to gaslight everyone with... stay tuned!
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  • GrindcoreTHRALLGrindcoreTHRALL Member UncommonPosts: 346
    edited December 2024





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    They have not missed every deadline lol. Quit making overly generalized statements.
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    So, give us a non-contrived list of CIG hitting their deadlines.  Especially claimed deadlines that they weren't already missing by months or years.

    You know, instead of overly generalized statements....



    The ownus is on him since he made the statement first. You can't just vilify things without evidence. Its exhausting having to do all the work to disprove people who just make slanderous claims without evidence.

    Are you really that naïve to think I wouldn't be able to find one example of CIG hitting a deadline? Quit wasting my time with weak arguments plz.
    I took 10 seconds to chat GPT 1 example to prove how stupid it is to make overly generalized statements.
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  • BrainyBrainy Member EpicPosts: 2,286
    Angrakhan said:
    It wouldn't surprise me if CR and team are quietly looking for buyers as we speak. I guess we'll see.
    Buyers?  What company in their right mind would want to buy this sinking ship.  It would be a hard pass even for free.  Nothing but a nitemare incoming.
  • ScotScot Member LegendaryPosts: 24,641
    edited December 2024

    ....




    They have not missed every deadline lol. Quit making overly generalized statements.
    ....

    So, give us a non-contrived list of CIG hitting their deadlines.  Especially claimed deadlines that they weren't already missing by months or years.

    You know, instead of overly generalized statements....
    I am sure they have made some deadlines and missed some, not sure this tells us much either way as to what sort of game will if ever come out of the spacecraft hanger.
  • olepiolepi Member EpicPosts: 3,119
    "By the end of this year backers will have everything they originally pledged for plus a lot more." -- Chris Roberts -- 2015

    "We've got up to 100 star systems, I think we have 110 now, we're not going to have them all done on the day of release. We'll get a good chunk of them through." -- Chris Roberts -- 2016

    "Question: have you been able to play through a single mission of SQ42 yet? Answer: I have played through all of the missions because I come from QA and it was my job to do so." -- Tyler Witkin -- 2016

    "Quality is important. If we feel like some aspects of that need more time then we'll take the time. But we are looking to 2020 to release Squadron, in about Q3 or Q4." -- Chris Roberts -- 2018

    "Squadron 42 we're on the downhill ramp. We're now 18 months away looking like from when we have to be ready to release it." -- Chris Roberts -- 2018

    "I see comments out there from people who call us vaporware or a glorified tech demo. We are maintaining a live game and building one all at the same time. We're hard at work finishing SQ42." -- Chris Roberts -- 2015

    "As much as we wanted to have SQ42 for this year, it's not gonna be this year, because from the polish we need to do it still needs a bit more time." -- Chris Roberts -- 2016

    Hilariously, ludicrously wrong. Either it's total incompetence, or they were simply lying.
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