Recognizing a union and agreeing to any of its demands during contract negotiations are two completely different things.
True, but grouped employees tend to have more bargaining power than those not as the impact of failed negotiations is greater on the company.
Bargaining for ? My problem with this particular union, it's far-left ideology. It's not a "ole time union", these "Gen-Z" unions are built to push leftist ideology into the workforce and then into the games specifically to target children. It's disgusting.
Those people at CWA don't givve a rats putootey of those workers.
The other thing, if you read the new ToS for ESO, Zenimax is selling our information to governments !? The whole thing is becoming extremely shady and hence, closing my account and will not be playing Bethesda games ever again.
Yeah Unions, Detroit MI sure did prosper from Unions. MMOs and Games in general aren't that big as it use to be.
with "woke" games churning out shit after shit, unions aren't going to make games any better. It'll be over priced piece of crap, if its a chinese game it'll atleast be a cheap piece of crap.
Guess most games will be made outside of the US or contracted outside of the USA. There goes more jobs.
And what is a "living wage" can some define to me what a "living wage" is?
Yeah Unions, Detroit MI sure did prosper from Unions. MMOs and Games in general aren't that big as it use to be.
with "woke" games churning out shit after shit, unions aren't going to make games any better. It'll be over priced piece of crap, if its a chinese game it'll atleast be a cheap piece of crap.
Guess most games will be made outside of the US or contracted outside of the USA. There goes more jobs.
And what is a "living wage" can some define to me what a "living wage" is?
Yeah Unions, Detroit MI sure did prosper from Unions. MMOs and Games in general aren't that big as it use to be.
with "woke" games churning out shit after shit, unions aren't going to make games any better. It'll be over priced piece of crap, if its a chinese game it'll atleast be a cheap piece of crap.
Guess most games will be made outside of the US or contracted outside of the USA. There goes more jobs.
And what is a "living wage" can some define to me what a "living wage" is?
When you need to make an alt account just to be able to “properly” voice your opinion…..
And the beautiful Gamer Creed of Woke:
- There are only two types of gender: Male and woke
- There are only two types of ethnicity: White and woke
-There are only two types of sexuality: Heterosexual and woke You might also be surprised that the western world consists of many more countries then the USA and that most of these countries have unions functioning perfectly fine. Coincidentally those are also the countries that might label employee rights in the USA as ‘backwards,’ or perhaps more fitting, ‘medieval.’ But that is the problem when a nation is being raised with the idea that Capitalism is the solution to everything and all other things are ‘scary Socialism.’ The end result is tunnel vision and extreme polarization. It also leads to many cases of ‘us versus them’ as quite a few posts here aptly illustrate.
/Cheers, Lahnmir
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It is just huge resource waste....'
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So wierd, here in Norway joining a union is pretty common. Many companies benefits from it - as workers can no longer negotitate personal salaries above the tariff. It’s a two edged sword if you are overperforming, but a clear advantage if you’re shit at your job .
Also, you’re well protected in Norway as a worker - if you want to fire someone, there’s a long process where you have to document exactly why you’re doing it - and that you have spoken to the employee+given written warnings well in advance. Even then you get a 3month resignation period
There are no perfect solutions, but only trade-offs. If it's difficult to fire people, then employers are very hesitant to hire. In some places (albeit not Norway), this has led to persistent, double-digit unemployment.
A lot also depends on the details of how it is implemented. I'd expect a hard rule of it taking three months to fire an employee to be catastrophic, as what happens when an employee is intentionally sabotaging the company? Does he get to continue doing so for another three months rather than being fired as soon as it gets caught? Or what happens if you hire a new employee and quickly discover that he can't do the job and lied about his qualifications? Are you stuck paying him for three full months? A three month warning period in more normal circumstances wouldn't cause those same problems.
You might also be surprised that the western world consists of many more countries then the USA and that most of these countries have unions functioning perfectly fine. Coincidentally those are also the countries that might label employee rights in the USA as ‘backwards,’ or perhaps more fitting, ‘medieval.’ But that is the problem when a nation is being raised with the idea that Capitalism is the solution to everything and all other things are ‘scary Socialism.’ The end result is tunnel vision and extreme polarization. It also leads to many cases of ‘us versus them’ as quite a few posts here aptly illustrate.
Some decades ago, some major unions in the United States made a decision to become a de facto arm of the Democratic Party. They would make large campaign contributions to Democratic politicians, and then once in power, those politicians would give public sector unions whatever they wanted.
In a number of places, this meant generous retirement plans where today's unionized employees are promised that decades from now when they retire, a future government will pay them a ton of money in retirement benefits. That allowed today's politicians to effectively spend money without raising taxes by creating underfunded retirement plans.
Meanwhile, unions becoming a de facto part of the Democratic Party meant that they faced retribution when Republicans were in power. The percentage of a state's workforce that is unionized is pretty heavily correlated with whether the state tends to elect Democrats or Republicans.
As a result, what do Americans know about unions? For many, the primary thing is that they donate a ton of money to left-wing Democrats. If a quarter of the union dues that a union collects is donated to their preferred politicians, then whether they like that union will be heavily colored by whether they agree with the union's political stance.
It didn't have to be that way, and some unions aren't heavily political or even prefer Republicans to Democrats. In countries where the major unions didn't decide to make themselves a de facto part of one particular party, it likely isn't that way. But in the United States, that is what happened.
so 72k a year + 4.5k bonus is under The living wage ? Holy shat, the outrage, can't afford a tesla and live in the most expensive area in the country, eee oo myy we must, unioinsnize ~!~~~~
Yeah Unions, Detroit MI sure did prosper from Unions. MMOs and Games in general aren't that big as it use to be.
with "woke" games churning out shit after shit, unions aren't going to make games any better. It'll be over priced piece of crap, if its a chinese game it'll atleast be a cheap piece of crap.
Guess most games will be made outside of the US or contracted outside of the USA. There goes more jobs.
And what is a "living wage" can some define to me what a "living wage" is?
When you need to make an alt account just to be able to “properly” voice your opinion…..
And the beautiful Gamer Creed of Woke:
- There are only two types of gender: Male and woke
- There are only two types of ethnicity: White and woke
-There are only two types of sexuality: Heterosexual and woke You might also be surprised that the western world consists of many more countries then the USA and that most of these countries have unions functioning perfectly fine. Coincidentally those are also the countries that might label employee rights in the USA as ‘backwards,’ or perhaps more fitting, ‘medieval.’ But that is the problem when a nation is being raised with the idea that Capitalism is the solution to everything and all other things are ‘scary Socialism.’ The end result is tunnel vision and extreme polarization. It also leads to many cases of ‘us versus them’ as quite a few posts here aptly illustrate.
/Cheers, Lahnmir
A post about elitism that is dripping in elitism itself. How refreshing! Glad to know that the Euros have figured everything out and live in perfect societies. Perhaps one day our primitive/medieval economy and society can catch up.
And what is a "living wage" can some define to me what a "living wage" is?
You are able to pay for all the necessities in life such as shelter, food, utilities easily so you aren't struggling financially.
The problem is that some people will spend whatever they get as soon as they get it, and so they'll always be struggling financially. Double or triple their income and they'd still be living paycheck to paycheck. Give them many millions of dollars from winning the lottery and it will all be gone soon.
Inability to handle money isn't limited to real-life, either. I've seen it in MMOs where some people spent all their time grinding for this or that, begging anyone they could find to borrow money, spent it all on frivolous things, and still managed to always be broke. Some people have serious handicaps in real-life that make it difficult to earn a good living, but that doesn't cause some people to be perpetually broke in MMORPGs.
By conventional usage, wanting a "living wage" is just a nice sounding slogan that doesn't actually mean anything other than that you want more. (You know who else wants to get paid more to do their jobs? Everyone.) Most Americans (and residents of some other wealthy countries) have enough today that they would have been spectacularly wealthy by the standards of 100 years ago.
I'm not saying that relatively poor people in wealthy countries ought to be consigned to desperate poverty. Quite the opposite: it's good that the relatively poor today are so much richer than the relatively poor of centuries past. It's good that only a relatively small fraction of humanity today lives in severe poverty on an absolute scale when it was most of humanity as recently as 1950. But I am saying that I'm really not sympathetic to people pretending that they're barely surviving on wages that are far higher than what most people lived on a century ago, or what most people in poorer parts of the world still live on today.
"Birthing Parent" - 12 weeks fully paid off 6 weeks half pa off
"Non-birthing Parent"- 6 weeks off fully paid
those two terms should say all you need to know about the unionization.
the priveldge some people take for granted is boundless it would seem.
I bet you these people don't even clean their own messes at work. Reminds me of Shane Gillis stand up about "woke white women". "Like oooo maaggaawd"
This is running way far afield of the discussion at hand. Unionization may be a significantly political topic, but it's not a valid excuse to launch off into random political diatribes on tangentially related topics. That has gotten people banned before, and I don't want that to happen to you, either.
"Birthing Parent" - 12 weeks fully paid off 6 weeks half pa off
"Non-birthing Parent"- 6 weeks off fully paid
those two terms should say all you need to know about the unionization.
the priveldge some people take for granted is boundless it would seem.
I bet you these people don't even clean their own messes at work. Reminds me of Shane Gillis stand up about "woke white women". "Like oooo maaggaawd"
This is running way far afield of the discussion at hand. Unionization may be a significantly political topic, but it's not a valid excuse to launch off into random political diatribes on tangentially related topics. That has gotten people banned before, and I don't want that to happen to you, either.
So wierd, here in Norway joining a union is pretty common. Many companies benefits from it - as workers can no longer negotitate personal salaries above the tariff. It’s a two edged sword if you are overperforming, but a clear advantage if you’re shit at your job .
Also, you’re well protected in Norway as a worker - if you want to fire someone, there’s a long process where you have to document exactly why you’re doing it - and that you have spoken to the employee+given written warnings well in advance. Even then you get a 3month resignation period
There are no perfect solutions, but only trade-offs. If it's difficult to fire people, then employers are very hesitant to hire. In some places (albeit not Norway), this has led to persistent, double-digit unemployment.
A lot also depends on the details of how it is implemented. I'd expect a hard rule of it taking three months to fire an employee to be catastrophic, as what happens when an employee is intentionally sabotaging the company? Does he get to continue doing so for another three months rather than being fired as soon as it gets caught? Or what happens if you hire a new employee and quickly discover that he can't do the job and lied about his qualifications? Are you stuck paying him for three full months? A three month warning period in more normal circumstances wouldn't cause those same problems.
It's not absolute rule.
1. Employer is allowed to terminate employment immediately without notice period if the employee sabotages company or does something other that gives the employer a good enough reason
2. New hires are normally at first on trial period, during which either party may terminate the employment more easily than normal
There are no perfect solutions and there are always problems. But imho many US people tend to make extreme assumptions that rules like these would be inane - when in reality at least in Western Europe those rules have further rules to solve most common problems.
so 72k a year + 4.5k bonus is under The living wage ? Holy shat, the outrage, can't afford a tesla and live in the most expensive area in the country, eee oo myy we must, unioinsnize ~!~~~~
Where are they located? For example, in the Boston area, with that salary, you wouldn't be able to rent an apartment alone and comfortably live in the area without difficulty.
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so 72k a year + 4.5k bonus is under The living wage ? Holy shat, the outrage, can't afford a tesla and live in the most expensive area in the country, eee oo myy we must, unioinsnize ~!~~~~
Where are they located? For example, in the Boston area, with that salary, you wouldn't be able to rent an apartment alone and comfortably live in the area without difficulty.
The median household (not solo) income in BOS seems to be around $76k. Per capita is $46k
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And what is a "living wage" can some define to me what a "living wage" is?
You are able to pay for all the necessities in life such as shelter, food, utilities easily so you aren't struggling financially.
The problem is that some people will spend whatever they get as soon as they get it, and so they'll always be struggling financially. Double or triple their income and they'd still be living paycheck to paycheck. Give them many millions of dollars from winning the lottery and it will all be gone soon.
except saying "living wage" does not include having financial sense.
A person making a million dollars per year will be able to pay for a place to live, utilities, food, etc. If they spend it all on candy then that still does not change that fact that they could have used it on the basics.
A person making 15k a year who spends wisely will most likely not be able to pay for housing, food, utilities, etc.
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The median household (not solo) income in BOS seems to be around $76k. Per capita is $46k
A household in Boston that has ~70k, couple or solo would find it very difficult to pay the 3k+ rent and have a life within Boston. One person making 46 would just not cover it.
I guess to be fair they "could" pay that 3k+ but the rest of their spending would have to be very frugal.
Look up one bedroom apartments (not studio) and you are talking 3k plus per month. You could get a studio for around 2k.
There are some exceptions, especially on craigslist, but this is a very expensive area.
That's why a lot of people who rent, if they aren't coupled, have roommates. Or they move further out.
I understand San Francisco and new york city are much more expensive. A friend's brother-in-law lives in San Francisco and he jokes about his "1 million dollar house" which is very, very small.
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so 72k a year + 4.5k bonus is under The living wage ? Holy shat, the outrage, can't afford a tesla and live in the most expensive area in the country, eee oo myy we must, unioinsnize ~!~~~~
Where are they located? For example, in the Boston area, with that salary, you wouldn't be able to rent an apartment alone and comfortably live in the area without difficulty.
so 72k a year + 4.5k bonus is under The living wage ? Holy shat, the outrage, can't afford a tesla and live in the most expensive area in the country, eee oo myy we must, unioinsnize ~!~~~~
Where are they located? For example, in the Boston area, with that salary, you wouldn't be able to rent an apartment alone and comfortably live in the area without difficulty.
The median household (not solo) income in BOS seems to be around $76k. Per capita is $46k
A household in Boston that has ~70k, couple or solo would find it very difficult to pay the 3k+ rent and have a life within Boston. One person making 46 would just not cover it.
I guess to be fair they "could" pay that 3k+ but the rest of their spending would have to be very frugal.
Look up one bedroom apartments (not studio) and you are talking 3k plus per month. You could get a studio for around 2k.
There are some exceptions, especially on craigslist, but this is a very expensive area.
That's why a lot of people who rent, if they aren't coupled, have roommates. Or they move further out.
I understand San Francisco and new york city are much more expensive. A friend's brother-in-law lives in San Francisco and he jokes about his "1 million dollar house" which is very, very small.
Yeah I'm not in BOS so I dunno. Just figured I'd look up how much people were actually making there. and not sure exactly what is considered BOS right? So maybe the Median income is looking at a wider geographical location or something. But somehow the median person is making $46k/yr and one would assume has some sort of place they live...
I'm originally from NY so I absolutely know that the value of a dollar has a wide range in different parts of the country. When I moved to FL I kept my NY salary and ditched sooo much in taxes it was like getting a 20% raise.
So I think you are seeing some of those market economics playout right now. If you pay everyone in lets say BOS more salary then the rent goes up more because the demand is still there. At the end of the day its kind of a treadmill. Especially with this crazy inflation most folks have less buying power than they did a few years ago even if they make more money.
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with "woke" games churning out shit after shit, unions aren't going to make games any better. It'll be over priced piece of crap, if its a chinese game it'll atleast be a cheap piece of crap.
Guess most games will be made outside of the US or contracted outside of the USA. There goes more jobs.
And what is a "living wage" can some define to me what a "living wage" is?
And the beautiful Gamer Creed of Woke:
- There are only two types of gender: Male and woke
- There are only two types of ethnicity: White and woke
-There are only two types of sexuality: Heterosexual and woke
You might also be surprised that the western world consists of many more countries then the USA and that most of these countries have unions functioning perfectly fine. Coincidentally those are also the countries that might label employee rights in the USA as ‘backwards,’ or perhaps more fitting, ‘medieval.’ But that is the problem when a nation is being raised with the idea that Capitalism is the solution to everything and all other things are ‘scary Socialism.’ The end result is tunnel vision and extreme polarization. It also leads to many cases of ‘us versus them’ as quite a few posts here aptly illustrate.
Lahnmir
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'This does not apply just to ED but SC or any other game. What they will get is Rebirth/X4, likely prettier but equally underwhelming and pointless.
It is incredibly difficult to design some meaningfull leg content that would fit a space ship game - simply because it is not a leg game.
It is just huge resource waste....'
Gdemami absolutely not being an armchair developer
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A lot also depends on the details of how it is implemented. I'd expect a hard rule of it taking three months to fire an employee to be catastrophic, as what happens when an employee is intentionally sabotaging the company? Does he get to continue doing so for another three months rather than being fired as soon as it gets caught? Or what happens if you hire a new employee and quickly discover that he can't do the job and lied about his qualifications? Are you stuck paying him for three full months? A three month warning period in more normal circumstances wouldn't cause those same problems.
In a number of places, this meant generous retirement plans where today's unionized employees are promised that decades from now when they retire, a future government will pay them a ton of money in retirement benefits. That allowed today's politicians to effectively spend money without raising taxes by creating underfunded retirement plans.
Meanwhile, unions becoming a de facto part of the Democratic Party meant that they faced retribution when Republicans were in power. The percentage of a state's workforce that is unionized is pretty heavily correlated with whether the state tends to elect Democrats or Republicans.
As a result, what do Americans know about unions? For many, the primary thing is that they donate a ton of money to left-wing Democrats. If a quarter of the union dues that a union collects is donated to their preferred politicians, then whether they like that union will be heavily colored by whether they agree with the union's political stance.
It didn't have to be that way, and some unions aren't heavily political or even prefer Republicans to Democrats. In countries where the major unions didn't decide to make themselves a de facto part of one particular party, it likely isn't that way. But in the United States, that is what happened.
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Inability to handle money isn't limited to real-life, either. I've seen it in MMOs where some people spent all their time grinding for this or that, begging anyone they could find to borrow money, spent it all on frivolous things, and still managed to always be broke. Some people have serious handicaps in real-life that make it difficult to earn a good living, but that doesn't cause some people to be perpetually broke in MMORPGs.
By conventional usage, wanting a "living wage" is just a nice sounding slogan that doesn't actually mean anything other than that you want more. (You know who else wants to get paid more to do their jobs? Everyone.) Most Americans (and residents of some other wealthy countries) have enough today that they would have been spectacularly wealthy by the standards of 100 years ago.
I'm not saying that relatively poor people in wealthy countries ought to be consigned to desperate poverty. Quite the opposite: it's good that the relatively poor today are so much richer than the relatively poor of centuries past. It's good that only a relatively small fraction of humanity today lives in severe poverty on an absolute scale when it was most of humanity as recently as 1950. But I am saying that I'm really not sympathetic to people pretending that they're barely surviving on wages that are far higher than what most people lived on a century ago, or what most people in poorer parts of the world still live on today.
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1. Employer is allowed to terminate employment immediately without notice period if the employee sabotages company or does something other that gives the employer a good enough reason
2. New hires are normally at first on trial period, during which either party may terminate the employment more easily than normal
There are no perfect solutions and there are always problems. But imho many US people tend to make extreme assumptions that rules like these would be inane - when in reality at least in Western Europe those rules have further rules to solve most common problems.
Where are they located? For example, in the Boston area, with that salary, you wouldn't be able to rent an apartment alone and comfortably live in the area without difficulty.
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Original Skyrim: https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/109547
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Comfortably... unreal entitlements.
Don't live in Boston ?
Yes because once your rent food and bills are paid, EVERYTHING else is an unreal entitlement.
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I'm originally from NY so I absolutely know that the value of a dollar has a wide range in different parts of the country. When I moved to FL I kept my NY salary and ditched sooo much in taxes it was like getting a 20% raise.
So I think you are seeing some of those market economics playout right now. If you pay everyone in lets say BOS more salary then the rent goes up more because the demand is still there. At the end of the day its kind of a treadmill. Especially with this crazy inflation most folks have less buying power than they did a few years ago even if they make more money.
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