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TillerTiller Member LegendaryPosts: 10,044
edited January 5 in Lost Ark
At least just the censorship crytrolls posting numerous threads daily on the Steam forums by pushing off legit conversations is enough to keep me away. I imagine they will be in the game doing the same thing and shouting people down and drowning out meaningful conversation on purpose just to make everything hostile. They must be paid to do this because no one in the goddamn right mind would camp a forum daily posting the exact same nonsense about a topic like censorship in a game just to get themselves censored by the mods for being spammy asshats.
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  • maskedweaselmaskedweasel Member EpicPosts: 11,566
    Tiller said:
    At least just the censorship crytrolls posting numerous threads daily on the Steam forums by pushing off legit conversations is enough to keep me away. I imagine they will be in the game doing the same thing and shouting people down and drowning out meaningful conversation on purpose just to make everything hostile. They must be paid to do this because no one in the goddamn right mind would camp a forum daily posting the exact same nonsense about a topic like censorship in a game just to get themselves censored by the mods for being spammy asshats.
    It's a shame because it's usually just a vocal minority but their idiocy is so vocal and annoying it can kill the game for the rest of us. 

    Hopefully it'll be real easy to block them in game. 
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  • SoulshoxSoulshox Newbie CommonPosts: 2
    It's the F2P community - i wouldn't expect too much
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  • eoloeeoloe Member RarePosts: 469
    Soulshox said:
    It's the F2P community - i wouldn't expect too much

    Yeah, because paying people are always nice and never act as spoiled kids whatever their age /s
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  • Slapshot1188Slapshot1188 Member LegendaryPosts: 15,018
    I just bought my Bronze pack.  Not sure how much the 30 day sub is but figure it's a decent sized chunk of the $15 pack price... and I'd buy that anyway so.. 

    Fingers crossed it doesn't suck.
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  • KratierKratier Member RarePosts: 409
    i dont think its a troll to point out amazon blackfaced half the NPCs and screwed up all the character creation for the sake of a political agenda and "Western" ideals

    they also censored a lot of cosmetics, they claim they haven't , but they have. they fall back on "its randomly dropped item cosmetics" meaning you cant use them, wont ever see them, and they won't be optimal stats for ever using them

    we haven't seen how they will handle the rest of the cosmetics, but guaranteed they will censor or outright remove over half of these cosmetics for female gender classes

    you will just fall back on lame ass reasons to try to stop discussion and free speech on the topic

    its not just the fact that they are censoring, and blackfacing. its also that they are doing it extremely lazy ways, hatchet job style like flat painting over parts of a skin with a black brush, or things like the skin of that one NPC not only getting blackfaced but the skin then being glitched and broken and shiny like layers of grease on her. This is stuff amazon is doing, not the devs of the game.
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  • tzervotzervo Member EpicPosts: 2,640
    edited February 6
    eoloe said:
    Soulshox said:
    It's the F2P community - i wouldn't expect too much

    Yeah, because paying people are always nice and never act as spoiled kids whatever their age /s
    It's not that paying people are better. Just that throwaway free accounts are an extra tool for trolls and bad apples.

    Also younger ages tend to get in f2p games and are on average less mature.
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  • KyleranKyleran Member LegendaryPosts: 40,223
    eoloe said:
    Soulshox said:
    It's the F2P community - i wouldn't expect too much

    Yeah, because paying people are always nice and never act as spoiled kids whatever their age /s
    No, because paying people have more of a right to be douche bags because...they did pay for the game.

    Freeloaders have the right to be content for everyone else, that's about it.

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  • MaxBaconMaxBacon Member LegendaryPosts: 7,539
    edited February 6
    The community is fine.

    What triggered so much defensive and more agressive tones is the fact there's a group of people just because Amazon Games publishes this have restlessly had a go at Lost Ark, it has already lived through dramas because some people care waaaay too much about Amazon and act like their past failures, that are in-house development related problems, mean the failure of a title that ain't developed by them.

    This includes a hell lot of misinformation and hyperbole, such as the censorship or p2w topic mudslinging takes.


    Beyond that, for those who couldn't care less about those nuances, the game is great and will have a great time playing it, which I believe is the field where the majority of the people who's playing stands.
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  • TwistedSister77TwistedSister77 Member EpicPosts: 1,144
    edited February 7
    Did I miss something?  The game just(about to) launched(for the west)... actual in game the trolls, because it's F2P, might have another agenda ;) 
  • KratierKratier Member RarePosts: 409
    there's no misinformation about the censorship or p2w, we know the cash shop and what they've done to the game since beta
    and the fall back of "who cares!" is a cop out

    amazon employees have a long history of lying to their players, and a long history of being a failed publisher with cancelled games and new world being a dumpster fire. new world was like less than 6 months ago , saying shit like "you care too much" when it happened less than 6  months ago is just a cop out/ delusion. no company will change much in a year let alone 6 months.


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  • TwistedSister77TwistedSister77 Member EpicPosts: 1,144
    edited February 7
    Kratier said:
    there's no misinformation about the censorship or p2w, we know the cash shop and what they've done to the game since beta
    and the fall back of "who cares!" is a cop out

    amazon employees have a long history of lying to their players, and a long history of being a failed publisher with cancelled games and new world being a dumpster fire. new world was like less than 6 months ago , saying shit like "you care too much" when it happened less than 6  months ago is just a cop out/ delusion. no company will change much in a year let alone 6 months.


    Genuinely curious, list a top 5 or 10 of these issues for Lost Ark.  I really haven't been following this too much (just need some specifics).
  • klash2defklash2def Member EpicPosts: 1,925
    edited February 7
    I had no idea this was even a thing but I read the steam forums on this game and...

    oh boy. I feel a Klash rant coming. Apologies in advance. 




    This censorship/blackface claim is coming from one group only.

    Incels.

    Only incels think changing an NPC skin tone or changing a skimpy female outfit to something less skimpy is censorship. Blackface? you have to be kidding me. Im black. I think I know what blackface is. I don't need an incel to tell me I should be offended at a game's creative choice if I don't find it offensive. Respectfully shut the hell up. 

    Here's the thing about this group, the incels. They hate women because women don't want to sleep with them. After all, they are pathetic examples of human beings. Most of these guys look like they don't even wash their asses. 

    They hate POC or LGBTQ folks being added to anything they like because they think it "erases" straight white men. When really it is just that new people are creating new stories they don't like and refuse to relate to.

    It crushes their frail egos to no longer be the center of attention.

    They really believe that only straight white men should exist and everyone else should be a servant to them. Nobody else is important enough. Everyone else has to explain why they exist in whatever setting they are in. Im seeing it right now in the Lord The Rings TV series announcement. A bunch of Ads came out with hands but guess what color hands got the fire going for incels? that's right. The black hands. As if Black people have no place in the universe of LOTR. 23 Posters. 4 were POC hands. Suddenly the show is gonna be trash.


    (Full poster list here FYI https://variety.com/gallery/lord-of-the-rings-amazon-first-look-cast/fkrjbg0vqamsoot/ )

    Their default setting is to be trash human beings. It must suck. 

    It's why every time a POC, Woman, or  LGBTQ (or all 3 at once) is added to any type of media in nerd culture they have mental breakdowns. This is led by YTs like the quartering and his type.

    It's hilarious to watch their false sense of reality unravel every time a new game or show is announced. They lose their hair over this shit!  I can't even count how many times I've seen this. Countless times.  

    All of this bitching is coming from the vocal minority (ironic) and it's that "they are taking our rights and erasing us!" PEAK hillbillie bullshit. 

    FREE SPEECH doesn't mean you are right. Most of the time people that feel the need to invoke "Free Speech" are loud but wrong. incels love to pretend they are the authority on any subject...  To see a bunch of incels talking about blackface and censorship of women is just ironic to the highest degree because they are wrong (LA doesn't censor women and there is no blackface) and they don't give a damn about either group.

    They only care they don't feel sexually represented because a game decided to show less T&A which is funny as hell to me. Incels wanna be victims of hate so bad because they have been perpetrators of hate for so long. They think making themselves victims of what they actually perpetrate gives them a moral high ground. 

    It's the same group that was bitching about The Last of Us 2. Ellie was a lesbian but not the type they can rub one out over. Same people that cried over Aloy from Horizon Zero Dawn and Laura Croft from Tomb Raider reboot games.. the characters aren't sexy enough for them to fap to so they rage and review bomb the game talking about censorship and whatever else bullshit they can make up.

    Now Lost Ark is censorship and blackface. smh. Hilarious. Good job incels. 0/10 IGN.

    I guess Games aren't going to be a hobby they wanna do much longer because as far as I know, it's going to get worse for them.. better pick up taking a hike as a hobby...

    As for me, Im going to be playing the shit out of Lost Ark on my black, curved sworded, Martial Artist character when it releases in a few days. :wink:
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  • ConstantineMerusConstantineMerus Member EpicPosts: 3,338
    klash2def said:
    I had no idea this was even a thing but I read the steam forums on this game and...

    oh boy. I feel a Klash rant coming. Apologies in advance. 




    This censorship/blackface claim is coming from one group only.

    Incels.

    Only incels think changing an NPC skin tone or changing a skimpy female outfit to something less skimpy is censorship. Blackface? you have to be kidding me. Im black. I think I know what blackface is. I don't need an incel to tell me I should be offended at a game's creative choice if I don't find it offensive. Respectfully shut the hell up. 

    Here's the thing about this group, the incels. They hate women because women don't want to sleep with them. After all, they are pathetic examples of human beings. Most of these guys look like they don't even wash their asses. 

    They hate POC or LGBTQ folks being added to anything they like because they think it "erases" straight white men. When really it is just that new people are creating new stories they don't like and refuse to relate to.

    It crushes their frail egos to no longer be the center of attention.

    They really believe that only straight white men should exist and everyone else should be a servant to them. Nobody else is important enough. Everyone else has to explain why they exist in whatever setting they are in. Im seeing it right now in the Lord The Rings TV series announcement. A bunch of Ads game out with hands but guess what color hands got the fire going for incels? that's right. The black hands. As if Black people have no place in the universe of LOTR. 23 Posters. 4 were POC hands. Suddenly the show is gonna be trash.

    Their default setting is to be trash.

    It's why every time a POC, Woman, or  LGBTQ (or all 3 at once) is added to any type of media in nerd culture they have mental breakdowns. This is led by YTs like the quartering and his type.

    It's hilarious to watch their false sense of reality unravel every time a new game or show is announced. They lose their hair over this shit!  I can't even count how many times I've seen this. Countless times.  

    All of this bitching is coming from the vocal minority (ironic) and it's that "they are taking our rights and erasing us!" PEAK hillbillie bullshit. 

    FREE SPEECH doesn't mean you are right. Most of the time people that feel the need to invoke "Free Speech" are loud but wrong. incels love to pretend they are the authority on any subject...  To see a bunch of incels talking about blackface and censorship of women is just ironic to the highest degree because they are wrong (LA doesn't censor women and there is no blackface) and they don't give a damn about either group.

    They only care they don't feel sexually represented because a game decided to show less T&A which is funny as hell to me. Incels wanna be victims of hate so bad because they have been perpetrators of hate for so long. 

    It's the same group that was bitching about The Last of Us 2. Ellie was a lesbian but not the type they can rub one out over. Same people that cried over Aloy from Horizon Zero Dawn and Laura Croft from Tomb Raider reboot games.. the characters aren't sexy enough for them to fap to so they rage and review bomb the game talking about censorship and whatever else bullshit they can make up.

    Now Lost Ark is censorship and blackface. smh. Hilarious. Good job incels. 0/10 IGN.

    I guess Games aren't going to be a hobby they wanna do much longer because as far as I know, it's going to get worse for them.. better pick up taking a hike as a hobby...

    As for me, Im going to be playing the shit out of Lost Ark on my black, curved sworded, Martial Artist character when it releases in a few days. :wink:


    Lost Ark likes to present a more diverse cast of characters for their new more diverse audience. There is absolutely nothing wrong with that. This is a sane marketing choice. I mean Asian games have been doing that for a long time. 

    Comments regarding the blackface is completely retarded. Because, if one has played any Asian games before, one would know that white people in Asian games (or Anime for that matter) always had the same model and looks with only a whiter shade of skin color. So they are doing the same thing for black people. It is part of the art style and it has got nothing to do with racism. 

    That aside; diversity is good when it is done right. Like this upcoming game 'Forspoken', I think it is a sleeper hit. What an amazing game. I really hope that it would become a series and gets sequels. The character, the world, and the story is just brilliant. 

    But when it is done in lame and lazy way, it is awful. Like in the new Viking series, they have changed a known Nordic king to a black woman. That means the show-runners don't really give a shit. This is just a marketing stunt. If they cared, they would've crafted a good character. The show is filled with imaginary characters. And stupid decisions like this would fuel a lot of people who do come from very dark places. 

    Or when they wanted to change Bond to a woman. That just doesn't work. Bond could be a black man though. Because his race isn't relevant, but his gender is. Idris Elba would've been a MUCH better Bond than Tom Hardy. How about using your creativity and fucking imagination and create a new series with a leading woman, instead of just pulling lazy publicity stunts. 

    Regarding Lord of the Rings, people say it is based on Nordic myths so it shouldn't have black folks. Based is the keyword here. It means that's were the author got his inspirations from. And yes, race is very important in LotR universe; but not black or white, but men, elven, hobbits, dwarves, orcs, ents, trolls, Valar, and Maiar. And even those races come in different colours. So unlike the Vikings series, I really don't think there needs to be any lore or explanations here. Even Aragorn could be black and it would've still been the exact same story. Imagine Samuel Jackson as Gandalf; you mother fuckers have a third breakfast!? 
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  • DattelisDattelis Member UncommonPosts: 436
    Personally, I never rate my community experience based on forums or things outside of the game and more so on first hand experience. More often than not, people in game are in their own little worlds or not as 'toxic' outside of maybe a global chat if there is one.
  • TwistedSister77TwistedSister77 Member EpicPosts: 1,144
    edited February 7
    klash2def said:
    I had no idea this was even a thing but I read the steam forums on this game and...

    oh boy. I feel a Klash rant coming. Apologies in advance. 




    This censorship/blackface claim is coming from one group only.

    Incels.

    Only incels think changing an NPC skin tone or changing a skimpy female outfit to something less skimpy is censorship. Blackface? you have to be kidding me. Im black. I think I know what blackface is. I don't need an incel to tell me I should be offended at a game's creative choice if I don't find it offensive. Respectfully shut the hell up. 

    Here's the thing about this group, the incels. They hate women because women don't want to sleep with them. After all, they are pathetic examples of human beings. Most of these guys look like they don't even wash their asses. 

    They hate POC or LGBTQ folks being added to anything they like because they think it "erases" straight white men. When really it is just that new people are creating new stories they don't like and refuse to relate to.

    It crushes their frail egos to no longer be the center of attention.

    They really believe that only straight white men should exist and everyone else should be a servant to them. Nobody else is important enough. Everyone else has to explain why they exist in whatever setting they are in. Im seeing it right now in the Lord The Rings TV series announcement. A bunch of Ads came out with hands but guess what color hands got the fire going for incels? that's right. The black hands. As if Black people have no place in the universe of LOTR. 23 Posters. 4 were POC hands. Suddenly the show is gonna be trash.


    (Full poster list here FYI https://variety.com/gallery/lord-of-the-rings-amazon-first-look-cast/fkrjbg0vqamsoot/ )

    Their default setting is to be trash human beings. It must suck. 

    It's why every time a POC, Woman, or  LGBTQ (or all 3 at once) is added to any type of media in nerd culture they have mental breakdowns. This is led by YTs like the quartering and his type.

    It's hilarious to watch their false sense of reality unravel every time a new game or show is announced. They lose their hair over this shit!  I can't even count how many times I've seen this. Countless times.  

    All of this bitching is coming from the vocal minority (ironic) and it's that "they are taking our rights and erasing us!" PEAK hillbillie bullshit. 

    FREE SPEECH doesn't mean you are right. Most of the time people that feel the need to invoke "Free Speech" are loud but wrong. incels love to pretend they are the authority on any subject...  To see a bunch of incels talking about blackface and censorship of women is just ironic to the highest degree because they are wrong (LA doesn't censor women and there is no blackface) and they don't give a damn about either group.

    They only care they don't feel sexually represented because a game decided to show less T&A which is funny as hell to me. Incels wanna be victims of hate so bad because they have been perpetrators of hate for so long. They think making themselves victims of what they actually perpetrate gives them a moral high ground. 

    It's the same group that was bitching about The Last of Us 2. Ellie was a lesbian but not the type they can rub one out over. Same people that cried over Aloy from Horizon Zero Dawn and Laura Croft from Tomb Raider reboot games.. the characters aren't sexy enough for them to fap to so they rage and review bomb the game talking about censorship and whatever else bullshit they can make up.

    Now Lost Ark is censorship and blackface. smh. Hilarious. Good job incels. 0/10 IGN.

    I guess Games aren't going to be a hobby they wanna do much longer because as far as I know, it's going to get worse for them.. better pick up taking a hike as a hobby...

    As for me, Im going to be playing the shit out of Lost Ark on my black, curved sworded, Martial Artist character when it releases in a few days. :wink:

    I personally enjoyed a lot of African Amerinan movies.. especially groundbreaking ones (Boys N Hood, Friday movies, Lion King, Glory, 7 years, Tarantino films...etc. )

    I literally have zero idea what this Lost Ark issue is... I did watch Arcade on Netflix and it was a new IP that was well done  (that pretty much is very diverse). This is how it should be done, not retcon'ng authors for diversity sake.

    Tolkien stated he was writing a mythology for the English people (meaning England 1900s)... so I'm confused...

    Should they reboot BoysNHood with white gangbangers... I'm sure everyone would be awesome with that?  We know the answer...

    There are awesome stories from African culture... and around the world.

    My position, don't slip in characters into an existing IP for a particular message... it's just a different culture.

    The shame is, I really enjoy different cultures when I travel around the world... let's not homogenize them completely. 

    Yeah I'm a terrible person for acknowledging cultures should be preserved and not put in a smoothie blender.  

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  • KratierKratier Member RarePosts: 409
    edited February 7
    you aren't looking to have a discussion, you're trying to shut down the discussion, and to start a narration by insulting someone like myself and  using sexual harassment as an argument is pretty pathetic

    "wah incel" isn't an argument. lost ark is the topic, not lotr, not ellie, whatever else.
    you're arguments are worthless and pathetic, as the game already existed in another region and was successful for many years, this publisher came in and decided to ruin all the character creation presets, blackface half the npcs, and butcher all the cosmetics

    no publisher came in and patched in ellie as a homosexual, or an already existing LOTR series or movie and changed the skin tone of half the cast.

    its really pointless to argue with someone like this, they aren't trying to make a point, just an emotionally deranged plea for effect
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  • MaxBaconMaxBacon Member LegendaryPosts: 7,539
    edited February 7
    Kratier said:
    you aren't looking to have a discussion, you're trying to shut down the discussion, and to start a narration by insulting someone like myself and  using sexual harassment as an argument is pretty pathetic

    "wah incel" isn't an argument. lost ark is the topic, not lotr, not ellie, whatever else.
    you're arguments are worthless and pathetic, as the game already existed in another region and was successful for many years, this publisher came in and decided to ruin all the character creation presets, blackface half the npcs, and butcher all the cosmetics

    no publisher came in and patched in ellie as a homosexual, or an already existing LOTR series or movie and changed the skin tone of half the cast.

    its really pointless to argue with someone like this, they aren't trying to make a point, just an emotionally deranged plea for effect
    It's pointless to argue because you are talking BS.

    It's absolute hyperbole and assumptions with the  "butchered all the cosmetics" (absolute BS statement it has been stated so many times the skins are not being removed/altered to a specific west version), "blackfaced half of the npcs" (played the betas and this is obviously not the case), or ruined character creation. 


    In fact this version has MORE character customization options, as requested to SmileGate, it's insanity to me to be throwing this tantrum over black faces when they added more possible customization to players.


    Just move on already, unless you're unable to co-exist with a version that has some black faces here and there, then go play the other versions.
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  • ScotScot Member LegendaryPosts: 17,876
    edited February 7
    Has anyone started a MMO released in the last five years where part of the community is not toxic? In fact I would not regard them as part of the games community which is part of the reason why they are toxic, I also very much doubt they regard themselves as such. Maybe there are more than usual here, but it is par the course now.
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  • MaxBaconMaxBacon Member LegendaryPosts: 7,539
    Scot said:
    Has anyone started a MMO released in the last five years where part of the community is not toxic? In fact I would not regard them as part of the games community which is part of the reason why they are toxic, I also very much doubt they regard themselves as such. Maybe there are more than usual here, but it is par the course now.
    idk which MMOs have you been playing, but seeing you are a forum user I can see why you just interact with the toxic sub-sets of a community, both forums, reddit subs, etc.

    There are MMOs with very healthy communities both in-game and within community creators, that is where you tell the difference.
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  • klash2defklash2def Member EpicPosts: 1,925
    edited February 7

    I personally enjoyed a lot of African Amerinan movies.. especially groundbreaking ones (Boys N Hood, Friday movies, Lion King, Glory, 7 years, Tarantino films...etc. )

    I literally have zero idea what this Lost Ark issue is... I did watch Arcade on Netflix and it was a new IP that was well done  (that pretty much is very diverse). This is how it should be done, not retcon'ng authors for diversity sake.

    Tolkien stated he was writing a mythology for the English people (meaning England 1900s)... so I'm confused...

    Should they reboot BoysNHood with white gangbangers... I'm sure everyone would be awesome with that?  We know the answer...

    There are awesome stories from African culture... and around the world.

    My position, don't slip in characters into an existing IP for a particular message... it's just a different culture.

    The shame is, I really enjoy different cultures when I travel around the world... let's not homogenize them completely. 

    Yeah I'm a terrible person for acknowledging cultures should be preserved and not put in a smoothie blender.  



    Yeah So here's the thing. You are gatekeeping and gaslighting. Stop this. Your post is full of microaggressions and I think you are being willfully obtuse.

    As usual, let me break it down. 

    YOU: "Should they reboot BoysNHood with white gangbangers... I'm sure everyone would be awesome with that?  We know the answer..."
    TRANSLATION: "You have black films that white people cant be a part of why can't we have films that black people can't be a part of" 


    YOU: "There are awesome stories from African Culture"  
    TRANSLATION: “Isn’t there a Black-centered fandom you can be a part of?” 


    YOU: "Tolkien stated he was writing a mythology for the English people (meaning England 1900s)... so I'm confused..." 
    TRANSLATION: "Well, I’m not trying to be racist, but [insert fantasy character name] is white.”


    Boyz in The Hood was based on reality. It's a literal story. Los Angeles isn't some mystical, magical, fantasy world. so yes it would be weird to see white crips and bloods in a movie about crips and bloods living in 1990s Inglewood CA. Nobody is gatekeeping it though. Anyone is welcome to try. Whether it's successful or not is different. It's the same thing with any example you can pull out of your ass. 

    Black people in fantasy works because there is a whole lot of black folks that are fans of fantasy. Myself included. We see ourselves in those stories because it's such a big universe. We also read the books too. We are genuine fans. Some of us grow up and write stories for the fantasies we grew up on. It's what a lot of folks in nerd culture do. any race. Saying to write stories about "African Culture" is wrong because Im not from Africa. Im from America. Im not against African stories at all, I would love to see some but Im also part of American culture which includes NERD culture which includes Fantasy. LOTR is a big part of American Pop culture. I don't care who wrote it. 

    Also, FTR.. Fantasy isn't based on JUST English anything. Cut it out. Fantasy is also based on things from THE BIBLE which was created in the middle east by BROWN and AFRICAN people. This includes Tolkien. Im very curious what real-world English culture had Dragons, Demons, and Magic. Please let me know.

    So, What you and others are saying is we cannot participate because we are black. WTH type of shit is that to say.. Capital R. Fantasy IPs have dragons, vampires, Lycan, starships, laser beams, walking dead, and magic but POC can't be written in?

    Again the gatekeeping is ridiculous.

    Also, There are "White" gangbanger movies. Have you ever heard of The Godfather? Pick any Mafia movie. Very successful films. Idk what you thought you were doing with that reference but moving on.

    You are saying black people can't participate in LOTR because the story was written by a white man. That's like saying white people can't listen to, be inspired by, or create rap music because Hip Hop was created by black people.

    Let's address Mr. T and his books. There has been a long discussion for decades about how he wrote certain things about certain races leading many people to believe he wrote the orcs of his world as black people. Now whether is true or not idk (Prob is) but what it did do was create this environment where white fans think they can gatekeep LOTR from black fans simply because it was written by a white English dude and there are no main black characters. It's like you believe there were no black people in the world until 1960. 

    Never mind that Tolkien wrote the Haradrim into the story. 

    You say Tolkien wrote LOTR for English people in the 1900s.. were there no black English people in the 1900s? What are you talking about? Why are you protecting colonialism? You know that's not a thing anymore right?

    Unlike you, I don't mind if new characters are slipped into Fantasy stories if it makes sense. If it's well written, Im all in. 

    White LOTR fans gatekeep LOTR lore and Fantasy in general as if it's real-world history. It's not. Its fake. Newsflash. F A K E. F A N T A S Y. 

    Nerd Culture is for everyone that wants to participate that's including Tolkien and anything else.  

    During the protests, Wizards of the Coast promised to “share what we’ve been doing, and what we plan to do in the future to address legacy D&D content that does not reflect who we are today”. In addition, it also pulled several racist cards from the card game Magic: The Gathering, such as Invoke Prejudice, Jihad, and Pradesh Gypsies. It's crazy that it took the murder of George Floyd for companies to start making sweeping changes in NERD culture. Notice I said NERD CULTURE. Not white culture. Not English culture.

    It's like you don't realize there are other people around the world DIFFERENT from you, that like what you like and want to see stories that also represent them too in their favorite worlds. Without judgment. 

    Look I don't care who wrote it. Telling black people (Or any people) we aren't allowed to see ourselves in Fantasy is morally wrong and downright racist. Ive been seeing this rhetoric for years in nerd culture and it's tiring. Adding black people to Fantasy changes very little if anything at all. Aragorn could have been Black, Asian, Mexican, queer, etc and the story would have been the same story. Maybe even a little more interesting. I don't think he NEEDED to be those things, but It would not bother me much if he were. 

    Representation of characters from ‘uncivilized’ worlds and nostalgia for colonial cultures have been problematic from the start and its past time for fantasy fiction and role-playing games to shed this racist history. 

    It's 2022. Black people still have to explain why we belong in different spaces.

    If seeing a black person in a fantasy setting upsets you or makes you think it compromises "the vision" then you are morally bankrupt and are the reason why "Diversity" is even an issue. It wouldn't be an issue if people that think as you do, would simply accept that there are different people in the world that like the same thing you do.

    (Edited for Spelling and Clarity)


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  • ConstantineMerusConstantineMerus Member EpicPosts: 3,338
    If Aragorn was Mexican then he should have been the one in charge of taking the ring to the mount doom, for obvious reasons!

    ;)

    Just a joke guys don't kill me. You know why many people even Frodo had a problem with destroying the ring? It is a white thing, whenever white people find an artifact they think it is theirs and they take it to their homes, put it on display, charge people for tickets,...

    ;) 
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  • klash2defklash2def Member EpicPosts: 1,925
    If Aragorn was Mexican then he should have been the one in charge of taking the ring to the mount doom, for obvious reasons!

    ;)

    Just a joke guys don't kill me. You know why many people even Frodo had a problem with destroying the ring? It is a white thing, whenever white people find an artifact they think it is theirs and they take it to their homes, put it on display, charge people for tickets,...

    ;) 
    LMAO this actually made me laugh thank you sir
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  • WargfootWargfoot Member EpicPosts: 1,670
    It seems that lately any large, well-hyped launch comes with a pre-made toxic community.  I think there is this toxic crowd that runs from game to game wearing themselves out and moving on like some kind of virus.




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  • WargfootWargfoot Member EpicPosts: 1,670
    edited February 7
    klash2def said:
    Here's the thing about this group, the incels. They hate women because women don't want to sleep with them. After all, they are pathetic examples of human beings. Most of these guys look like they don't even wash their asses. 
    I don't know why but I really hate the term 'incels'.
    I've a wife and two kids (and a cute grand-baby) so I do have sex.
    It isn't a personal attack on me.

    It just seems so... base... to evaluate a person on whether or not they're sexually active.  If it is true that woman shouldn't base her self-esteem on a man's valuation of her wouldn't the opposite also be true?  Whether or not a person's genitals are active is in indication of his worth?  Is that where you're going with this thing?

    Furthermore, you don't actually know the sex lives of these random people on the internet and the paragraphs you write breaking down their mental state is pure fantasy writing on your part - you literally have no idea whatsoever but use this lame attack to write up a psychological strawman that you then burn to the ground.

    You're on much firmer ground with your other arguments.
    Point out the bad behavior, suggest positive fixes.

    I don't expect any of this to make a difference but when someone uses the term 'incel' I usually stop reading.
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  • Slapshot1188Slapshot1188 Member LegendaryPosts: 15,018
    klash2def said:


    FREE SPEECH doesn't mean you are right. 
    Here is a quote which I think is very powerful and important so I have stolen it:

    "In short, I value free speech, not so much because I’m right and you need to hear from me, but rather because I’m very often wrong and need to hear from you. Free speech rests upon a foundation of human fallibility."

    I'll just leave that there.

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