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Interview: Crowfall Goes Freemium, Lowers Base Price With Major Uppdate | MMORPG.com

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edited November 2021 in News & Features Discussion

imageInterview: Crowfall Goes Freemium, Lowers Base Price With Major Uppdate | MMORPG.com

Crowfall launched in July, bringing the long awaited throne war PvP MMO to the market. However, since launch its felt like it's been hard for the PvP MMO to keep pace with the other releases this year. Well, ArtCraft Entertainment is hoping its latest update, as well as its new free trial model will help draw in players who have been interested in seeing what its all about, but hesitant to drop in.

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  • Slapshot1188Slapshot1188 Member LegendaryPosts: 17,603
    If only we could have seen this coming from the day it had it's disasterous launch...
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  • ScotScot Member LegendaryPosts: 24,321
    edited November 2021
    The idea of adding gameplay to allow smaller guilds to have purpose in pvp is sound, but the potential flaw is rewards. If the players realise they can get more reward for time by doing a different sort of pvp that's what they will do, other forms of pvp will go into the doldrums or have their gameplay changed.

    Without playing it is hard to say but could the smaller number of players needed for keep sieges mean bigger battles die out? Can large guilds now conduct two small sieges at the same time for more rewards than one large one? That's the sort of issue you need to watch out for.

    Good to see they are looking at the problems and taking some action, but it will be a long haul.
  • cheyanecheyane Member LegendaryPosts: 9,390
    Well at least they are making changes quickly and not waiting until it is too late.
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  • ScotScot Member LegendaryPosts: 24,321
    Also, it is good to see some interviews rather than just articles spinning press releases. I know NW are hardly going to allow devs to have loads of interviews right now, but in a couple of months it might be possible?

    We don't expect questions leading to a gaming Watergate, just nice to get opinions outside of the spin cycle.
  • DattelisDattelis Member EpicPosts: 1,675
    The free option did turn things around for Albion, so I hope it works in this game's favor as well.
    Kyleran
  • MorbeousMorbeous Member UncommonPosts: 87
    Its only 10 days for free. Needs to go completely f2p
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  • Slapshot1188Slapshot1188 Member LegendaryPosts: 17,603
    Morbeous said:
    Its only 10 days for free. Needs to go completely f2p
    Step one
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  • PurplePepePurplePepe Member UncommonPosts: 122
    The combat was really bad. It felt unimpactful. If combat gets a complete overhaul, I'll try it again.
  • druezdruez Member UncommonPosts: 120
    I thought the combat was actually really good. The rest of the game was lacking.
    YashaX
  • BrainyBrainy Member EpicPosts: 2,181
    cheyane said:
    Well at least they are making changes quickly and not waiting until it is too late.

    When exactly is too late?  How do you know this point has not been crossed already?
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  • BrainyBrainy Member EpicPosts: 2,181
    Morbeous said:
    Its only 10 days for free. Needs to go completely f2p
    Step one

    Pretty obvious this game will go f2p, what's the point of slow walking it.  They should be using this opportunity to make a big splash.  If the Devs would look out a month or two ahead they could get ahead of these obvious shortcomings.

    Maybe they are reserving the f2p announcement for another press release down the road.

    According to MMO populations they still have 6k people playing.  I think Albion got down to like 400, so maybe there is still hope for this.  Not sure how reliable that info is thou.
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  • ScorchienScorchien Member LegendaryPosts: 8,914
    Nobody saw this coming did we ..

      During CBT i said it would go F2 P inside 13 months .. Looks like the are going to beat me to it ..
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  • BruceYeeBruceYee Member EpicPosts: 2,556

    Brainy said:




    Morbeous said:

    Its only 10 days for free. Needs to go completely f2p


    Step one



    Pretty obvious this game will go f2p, what's the point of slow walking it.  They should be using this opportunity to make a big splash.  If the Devs would look out a month or two ahead they could get ahead of these obvious shortcomings.

    Maybe they are reserving the f2p announcement for another press release down the road.

    According to MMO populations they still have 6k people playing.  I think Albion got down to like 400, so maybe there is still hope for this.  Not sure how reliable that info is thou.



    Cause they want to squeeze a few more dollars out of people while they can...

    These guys had Albion as an example and weren't smart enough to use it to their advantage...

    I have MANY lvl 33 & 34 and can tell you after all the hours it took me to get those built up it wasn't worth my time... Crafting and gathering was worth it though...

    Their lack of any stable plan and what seems like a complete lack of awareness when it comes to what gamers want + laziness is what made me quit. When I quit I didn't log in ever again... it was like leaving a somewhat unpleasant job..

    When you look at how many employees they had and how little work was done for the game over the span of 5-6 years it makes me wonder wtf they were doing all that time and how they were even able to pay 70+ people..

    The game is essentially a moba with extra stuff tacked on to make it seem like it isn't a moba. The extra customization is basically like artifacts in mobas. One can counter another etc etc... If you go against a team with higher leveles(like in moba) with all the right artifact combos(like in moba) you lose(like in moba).

    If I could go back and change my playstyle what I would've done is bypass the pvp entirely because it's a pointless waste of life and instead just do crafting and gathering full-time. Do crafting and gathering full time NOT for my guild but for MYSELF and make a solo merchant guild with EK. All the hours I wasted doing pointless nightly mandatory guild pvp activities is my biggest regret for how I spent my time in the game.
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  • BruceYeeBruceYee Member EpicPosts: 2,556
    edited November 2021

    Scorchien said:

    Nobody saw this coming did we ..

      During CBT i said it would go F2 P inside 13 months .. Looks like the are going to beat me to it ..



    Yeah man, you were right. Except at first you said 6 months ftp and shut down within a year. I consider freemium 'just the typ' ftp and I now agree with the 2nd part about the game shutting down in 1 year. ACE screwed up/didn't do enough for the game to recover unless they sell CF to another company to right the wrongs similar to how EG7 improved Daybreak games.
  • RemyVorenderRemyVorender Member RarePosts: 4,005

    Brainy said:


    cheyane said:

    Well at least they are making changes quickly and not waiting until it is too late.


    When exactly is too late?  How do you know this point has not been crossed already?



    I assumed they were being sarcastic, no?

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  • ScorchienScorchien Member LegendaryPosts: 8,914
    edited November 2021
    BruceYee said:

    Scorchien said:

    Nobody saw this coming did we ..

      During CBT i said it would go F2 P inside 13 months .. Looks like the are going to beat me to it ..



    Yeah man, you were right. Except at first you said 6 months ftp and shut down within a year. I consider freemium 'just the typ' ftp and I now agree with the 2nd part about the game shutting down in 1 year. ACE screwed up/didn't do enough for the game to recover unless they sell CF to another company to right the wrongs similar to how EG7 improved Daybreak games.
    No. First was F2P inside 13 months and Shuttered in 2 years ..

      They are ahead of schedule tho :)

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  • ScorchienScorchien Member LegendaryPosts: 8,914
    edited November 2021
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  • Viper482Viper482 Member LegendaryPosts: 4,101
    There is a good game here, they just need to listen. All steps in the right direction.
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  • TruvidiennTruvidienn Member UncommonPosts: 346
    To try the free 10 day trial... Can I just make a account and go with it? Or will it prompt me to buy the game then I'll get the 10 days of free game time?
  • UngoodUngood Member LegendaryPosts: 7,534
    Viper482 said:
    There is a good game here, they just need to listen. All steps in the right direction.
    Listen to Who? To What?

    When I played in Beta, I made the note that the classes were not balanced, this was years ago, I made this point. The DAoC lovers came prancing in and hollering and hooting that the game became balanced with more players getting involved in the open world PvP, so, the balance existed in massive population, not in individual classes being balanced.

    When Crowfall launched these same people that waxed poetically and fondly of a bygone time, now wanted small fights where the imbalance among the classes would stand out like a sore thumb, and not massive zergs where thing would balance out due to larger populations.

    So who are they going to listen to?

    Because lets be real.. no one seems to really know what the fuck to do.
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  • GinazGinaz Member RarePosts: 2,561
    Well, that's the ball game folks. Anyone expecting this to be around this time next year is fooling themselves. I'm retiring from my job with a nice little pension in Jan. 2023 (before I'm 50 fyi) and if this isn't shut down by then or on the road to being shut down I'll buy a copy and gift it to someone here with my first pension check.
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  • YashaXYashaX Member EpicPosts: 3,100
    Ungood said:
    Viper482 said:
    There is a good game here, they just need to listen. All steps in the right direction.
    Listen to Who? To What?

    When I played in Beta, I made the note that the classes were not balanced, this was years ago, I made this point.
    Class imbalance is and should be the least of their concerns. 
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  • CelciusCelcius Member RarePosts: 1,878
    "Gordon: No game meets everyone's expectations and we are certainly no exception."

    No game meet's everyone's expectations, but your game met everyone's expectations. Everyone just expected it to be dog shit!
  • UngoodUngood Member LegendaryPosts: 7,534
    YashaX said:
    Ungood said:
    Viper482 said:
    There is a good game here, they just need to listen. All steps in the right direction.
    Listen to Who? To What?

    When I played in Beta, I made the note that the classes were not balanced, this was years ago, I made this point.
    Class imbalance is and should be the least of their concerns. 
    Not if they plan to go small fights.

    It's an odd situation, because this is a PvP game, so, they need to set up the PvP to be as engaging and enjoyable as possible.

    So every thing they do, that makes the PvP less enjoyable, is a demerit on their progress.
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  • BruceYeeBruceYee Member EpicPosts: 2,556
    edited November 2021
    Ungood said:
    YashaX said:
    Ungood said:
    Viper482 said:
    There is a good game here, they just need to listen. All steps in the right direction.
    Listen to Who? To What?

    When I played in Beta, I made the note that the classes were not balanced, this was years ago, I made this point.
    Class imbalance is and should be the least of their concerns. 
    Not if they plan to go small fights.

    It's an odd situation, because this is a PvP game, so, they need to set up the PvP to be as engaging and enjoyable as possible.

    So every thing they do, that makes the PvP less enjoyable, is a demerit on their progress.

    That's the thing though... They had half a decade to make pvp "enjoyable" but didn't have a back up plan in case the whole big zerg big guild system didn't appeal to the masses...

    Honestly think that the only way to save the game is to sell it to a company like EG7 who has the resources to change certain parts of the game that no one at ACE or anywhere is currently thinking about. It could be changes that improves the way both new and old players experience the game that I'm sure is possible with a little thought and possibly not much of an investment. ACE seems depleted in both idea and resources categories similar to SOE at the end before Daybreak.
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