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Discussion: Why Hardcore Full Loot PVP MMO's Fail
Tiller
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Interesting listen, pretty decent summery.
As for myself I don't mind PvP and actually prefer games with a flag system and PvP in the open world as opposed to instances. These days I hate full loot PvP games as I would rather stick to one on one duels until squad based open world zergs until my character is strong enough to survive a fight against equal level opponents. I just do not have time for the death treadmill while leveling in owpvp games some folks seem to love. It doesn't add fun and danger, it it adds annoyance and headache and wastes real time and all you are doing is providing fodder to some chuckle head.
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Interesting assumption, though completely inaccurate.
Somebody, somewhere has better skills as you have, more experience as you have, is smarter than you, has more friends as you do and can stay online longer. Just pray he's not out to get you.
It is pretty obvious as someone else pointed out but I believe the best iteration of PvP is in those games like Quake and other games where the playing field is balanced. You are looking at skill rather than being ganged up on by larger numbers.
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Somebody, somewhere has better skills as you have, more experience as you have, is smarter than you, has more friends as you do and can stay online longer. Just pray he's not out to get you.
Anyway... he highlights quite well the main problem with full loot: it's great killing someone and getting some great loot but it also sucks to be the one losing the loot you spent hours or weeks getting.
The typical solution to that has been to make the loot easy to get so you don't lose anything that's not easy to replace but in turn you also don't get great loot when killing someone. A side effect of this is that this "solution" kills off an MMO game play loop that most players find attractive: getting epic loot.
New world actually has what I think is the best of both worlds: you can get epic loot when you kill someone but it doesn't come from them - it's loot generated from a similar RNG loot table as that used for mob drops.
Probably not good enough for the real hardcore PvPers but fuck them
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Why Hardcore Full PvE Only MMO's Fail
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Somebody, somewhere has better skills as you have, more experience as you have, is smarter than you, has more friends as you do and can stay online longer. Just pray he's not out to get you.
That is actually a nice formula. Is it as the bigger player you'd kill the better of a loot you'd get?
LOL yeah I remember playing the beta for this.....I remember being in a cave and killing my first mob....I had maybe 25-30% of my health left, and some loser attacks me and kills me two seconds after I killed the mob.....Games like this just tick me off.... I never understood the "I have to kill other players" mentality....It had some sort of mechanic where there was a chance you lived, and I did but was immdeiately killed again a couple minutes later and that time I didn't get my character back..... Uninstall.
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