KnightFalz, what you have to do is take all of that info (and not all of it is based on political agendas) and look for verifiable items. Because like all things in life, you need to try to figure it out. Then you check out those verifiable items, looking for truth.
Fauci's e-mails, as Cecropia just pointed out, are a good source. They have more than just what Cecropia related.
Another thing to look for are the inconsistencies. Those are where the alarm bells go off (I see you know that). But once you have those alarms, you can keep your eye out for verifiable items that answer those alarms.
In the end you can piece together the story, at least for as far as you can go. From there, it's more research looking for more items you can verify, i.e., more investigation. That's what's happening now.
It's obvious that this whole thing was handled very poorly. I'm not sure how much blame can be assessed. It was chaotic in the beginning, and that chaos had a tendency to hang around due to poor judgements and political agendas.
I strongly suspect that we have seen the ultimate bad ending to a common problem, the "Peter Principle." Where people are promoted for being good at something, often with a high degree of bureaucracy involved, until they reach a point where judgements are needed, where they fail miserably.
That sounds more like something I'd do at my option.
However, I'm sure multiple truths could be constructed from the same material, each fashioned to suit the needs and wants of the maker.
Why should I put your truth over the contrasting one of another. Why should my truth if I had bothered to construct one be put over another that contrasts it.
Yes, it was handled poorly, especially when it came to Trumps "happy thoughts" approach to the pandemic, at least early on. It was unhelpful.
I expect the amount of blame assessed and fallout applied will approximate the amount needed to ensure little if any of it befalls those it should.
I don't think the "Peter Principle" is generally applied to the elected.
KnightFalz, what you have to do is take all of that info (and not all of it is based on political agendas) and look for verifiable items. Because like all things in life, you need to try to figure it out. Then you check out those verifiable items, looking for truth.
Fauci's e-mails, as Cecropia just pointed out, are a good source. They have more than just what Cecropia related.
Another thing to look for are the inconsistencies. Those are where the alarm bells go off (I see you know that). But once you have those alarms, you can keep your eye out for verifiable items that answer those alarms.
In the end you can piece together the story, at least for as far as you can go. From there, it's more research looking for more items you can verify, i.e., more investigation. That's what's happening now.
It's obvious that this whole thing was handled very poorly. I'm not sure how much blame can be assessed. It was chaotic in the beginning, and that chaos had a tendency to hang around due to poor judgements and political agendas.
I strongly suspect that we have seen the ultimate bad ending to a common problem, the "Peter Principle." Where people are promoted for being good at something, often with a high degree of bureaucracy involved, until they reach a point where judgements are needed, where they fail miserably.
That sounds more like something I'd do at my option.
However, I'm sure multiple truths could be constructed from the same material, each fashioned to suit the needs and wants of the maker.
Why should I put your truth over the contrasting one of another. Why should my truth if I had bothered to construct one be put over another that contrasts it.
Yes, it was handled poorly, especially when it came to Trumps "happy thoughts" approach to the pandemic, at least early on. It was unhelpful.
I expect the amount of blame assessed and fallout applied will approximate the amount needed to ensure little if any of it befalls those it should.
I don't think the "Peter Principle" is generally applied to the elected.
The strawman lives!
On the side, you mention Trump negatively, but I thought he made sense and did pretty good amid all the chaos created by the folks of "science." More and more is coming out on those folks, and it looks like a bunch of arse covering and federal funding protection has been going on.
KnightFalz, what you have to do is take all of that info (and not all of it is based on political agendas) and look for verifiable items. Because like all things in life, you need to try to figure it out. Then you check out those verifiable items, looking for truth.
Fauci's e-mails, as Cecropia just pointed out, are a good source. They have more than just what Cecropia related.
Another thing to look for are the inconsistencies. Those are where the alarm bells go off (I see you know that). But once you have those alarms, you can keep your eye out for verifiable items that answer those alarms.
In the end you can piece together the story, at least for as far as you can go. From there, it's more research looking for more items you can verify, i.e., more investigation. That's what's happening now.
It's obvious that this whole thing was handled very poorly. I'm not sure how much blame can be assessed. It was chaotic in the beginning, and that chaos had a tendency to hang around due to poor judgements and political agendas.
I strongly suspect that we have seen the ultimate bad ending to a common problem, the "Peter Principle." Where people are promoted for being good at something, often with a high degree of bureaucracy involved, until they reach a point where judgements are needed, where they fail miserably.
That sounds more like something I'd do at my option.
However, I'm sure multiple truths could be constructed from the same material, each fashioned to suit the needs and wants of the maker.
Why should I put your truth over the contrasting one of another. Why should my truth if I had bothered to construct one be put over another that contrasts it.
Yes, it was handled poorly, especially when it came to Trumps "happy thoughts" approach to the pandemic, at least early on. It was unhelpful.
I expect the amount of blame assessed and fallout applied will approximate the amount needed to ensure little if any of it befalls those it should.
I don't think the "Peter Principle" is generally applied to the elected.
The strawman lives!
On the side, you mention Trump negatively, but I thought he made sense and did pretty good amid all the chaos created by the folks of "science." More and more is coming out on those folks, and it looks like a bunch of arse covering and federal funding protection has been going on.
It is simply the way of things, evidenced in any political dispute paraded before the media and increasingly so in wider application.
Trump could be used as the poster child in a campaign to abolish democracy by adherents of contrary political systems.
I don’t give a shit about masks, Trump, none of that.
Millions died for no reason. Not only did they create the fucking thing that killed them they’ve silenced discussion of easily accessed medication (ivermectin) that could have eradicated COVID early on. They’ve known about it since April 2020.
I don’t give a shit about masks, Trump, none of that.
Millions died for no reason. Not only did they create the fucking thing that killed them they’ve silenced discussion of easily accessed medication (ivermectin) that could have eradicated COVID early on. They’ve known about it since April 2020.
Fauci lied, millions died.
"The drug’s manufacturer, pharma giant MSD, also warned that its analysis of ivermectin identified “no scientific basis for a potential therapeutic effect against Covid-19 from pre-clinical studies”, “no meaningful evidence for clinical activity or clinical efficacy in patients with Covid-19 disease” and “a concerning lack of safety data” in most studies."
But hey, who knows maybe the manufacturer of the drug has also been corrupted by the CCP and "the folks of science."
What a fucking joke this thread is.
"Social media gives legions of idiots the right to speak when they once only spoke at a bar after a glass of wine, without harming the community ... but now they have the same right to speak as a Nobel Prize winner. It's the invasion of the idiots”
― Umberto Eco
“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?” ― CD PROJEKT RED
I don’t give a shit about masks, Trump, none of that.
Millions died for no reason. Not only did they create the fucking thing that killed them they’ve silenced discussion of easily accessed medication (ivermectin) that could have eradicated COVID early on. They’ve known about it since April 2020.
Fauci lied, millions died.
"The drug’s manufacturer, pharma giant MSD, also warned that its analysis of ivermectin identified “no scientific basis for a potential therapeutic effect against Covid-19 from pre-clinical studies”, “no meaningful evidence for clinical activity or clinical efficacy in patients with Covid-19 disease” and “a concerning lack of safety data” in most studies."
But hey, who knows maybe the manufacturer of the drug has also been corrupted by the CCP and "the folks of science."
What a fucking joke this thread is.
Money. If an effective medicine is found the emergency medicine act cannot continue, thus the vaccines will not get their pass. Hundreds of millions are at stake if they found something that worked so they wont try it.
Ivermectin has been in heavy use for 40 years with nearly zero side effects (minor at most) so the risks in testing it is zero. Yet when you go through the emails with Fauci, and all the doctors that pleaded for it to become a part of the standard regimen it was always the same answer, "We need to test it first".
"We're going to lower the bar so these million dollar vaccines can be dispersed, but this dirt cheap completely safe medication we're raising the bar".
Yes, it makes perfect sense. You're just trained to believe whatever they tell you.
You keep being a wacko dude. It suits your avatar.
"Social media gives legions of idiots the right to speak when they once only spoke at a bar after a glass of wine, without harming the community ... but now they have the same right to speak as a Nobel Prize winner. It's the invasion of the idiots”
― Umberto Eco
“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?” ― CD PROJEKT RED
I bet you will never watch that video. You'll never read one of the emails. You'll never think critically about anything that the cathedral tells you. You'll just comply.
You keep being a wacko dude. It suits your avatar.
You do any research yet or just keep regurgitating what they want you to say? Thought so.
I'm not aware of any "they" wanting me to say anything. I'm informed well enough to take care of myself and my family without needing to watch or listen to some wack job horseshit when the frigging manufacturer of the anti-parasitic drug themselves say there is no evidence of effectiveness in treating Covid-19 with it.
But hey I'm done with all the idiocy in this thread. Good luck with your Youtube healthcare advice.
"Social media gives legions of idiots the right to speak when they once only spoke at a bar after a glass of wine, without harming the community ... but now they have the same right to speak as a Nobel Prize winner. It's the invasion of the idiots”
― Umberto Eco
“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?” ― CD PROJEKT RED
You keep being a wacko dude. It suits your avatar.
You do any research yet or just keep regurgitating what they want you to say? Thought so.
I'm not aware of any "they" wanting me to say anything. I'm informed well enough to take care of myself and my family without needing to watch or listen to some wack job horseshit when the frigging manufacturer of the anti-parasitic drug themselves say there is no evidence of effectiveness in treating Covid-19 with it.
But hey I'm done with all the idiocy in this thread. Good luck with your Youtube healthcare advice.
haha, of course you wont. You didn't even do enough research to know that there isn't -a- "manufacturer". There are many. It's been off patent for years.
You do you. I don't care what you think anyway. You are meaningless.
You keep being a wacko dude. It suits your avatar.
You do any research yet or just keep regurgitating what they want you to say? Thought so.
I'm not aware of any "they" wanting me to say anything. I'm informed well enough to take care of myself and my family without needing to watch or listen to some wack job horseshit when the frigging manufacturer of the anti-parasitic drug themselves say there is no evidence of effectiveness in treating Covid-19 with it.
But hey I'm done with all the idiocy in this thread. Good luck with your Youtube healthcare advice.
haha, of course you wont. You didn't even do enough research to know that there isn't -a- "manufacturer". There are many. It's been off patent for years.
You do you. I don't care what you think anyway. You are meaningless.
Oh so the Pharmaceutical tech article referring to MDS as "the manufacturer" got it wrong?
You're obviously much smarter than them even though you've always been a joke around here.
"Social media gives legions of idiots the right to speak when they once only spoke at a bar after a glass of wine, without harming the community ... but now they have the same right to speak as a Nobel Prize winner. It's the invasion of the idiots”
― Umberto Eco
“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?” ― CD PROJEKT RED
You keep being a wacko dude. It suits your avatar.
You do any research yet or just keep regurgitating what they want you to say? Thought so.
I'm not aware of any "they" wanting me to say anything. I'm informed well enough to take care of myself and my family without needing to watch or listen to some wack job horseshit when the frigging manufacturer of the anti-parasitic drug themselves say there is no evidence of effectiveness in treating Covid-19 with it.
But hey I'm done with all the idiocy in this thread. Good luck with your Youtube healthcare advice.
haha, of course you wont. You didn't even do enough research to know that there isn't -a- "manufacturer". There are many. It's been off patent for years.
You do you. I don't care what you think anyway. You are meaningless.
Oh so the Pharmaceutical tech article referring to MDS as "the manufacturer" got it wrong?
You're obviously much smarter than them even though you've always been a joke around here.
You keep being a wacko dude. It suits your avatar.
You do any research yet or just keep regurgitating what they want you to say? Thought so.
I'm not aware of any "they" wanting me to say anything. I'm informed well enough to take care of myself and my family without needing to watch or listen to some wack job horseshit when the frigging manufacturer of the anti-parasitic drug themselves say there is no evidence of effectiveness in treating Covid-19 with it.
But hey I'm done with all the idiocy in this thread. Good luck with your Youtube healthcare advice.
haha, of course you wont. You didn't even do enough research to know that there isn't -a- "manufacturer". There are many. It's been off patent for years.
You do you. I don't care what you think anyway. You are meaningless.
Oh so the Pharmaceutical tech article referring to MDS as "the manufacturer" got it wrong?
You're obviously much smarter than them even though you've always been a joke around here.
You’re doing just great
That's you isn't it? LMAO
"Social media gives legions of idiots the right to speak when they once only spoke at a bar after a glass of wine, without harming the community ... but now they have the same right to speak as a Nobel Prize winner. It's the invasion of the idiots”
― Umberto Eco
“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?” ― CD PROJEKT RED
The clip is a good example of how actual risks combined with manic presentation, or interpretation, can cause them to be perceived as greater than doing without a vaccine. While interesting in fiction it can cause great harm in reality by slowing the process of building an effective degree of immunization overall.
As a healthcare profession, ill weigh in on some topics.
There is ample evidence that face masks help in preventing covid19 transmssion.
Just google "face mask effectiveness with covid + pubmed"
With the pubmed, you will get the scientific journals that are published and peer reviewed.
They show a benefit to them with cloth masks being least beneficial.
Someone said if masks worked, covid would have been gone and that is a fallacy of thinking.
Only real way to see what would have happened without lockdowns and masks is a parallel universe which we cant do, but we can look at a proxy and see that flu and RSV incidences were less than 1% of the usual. Over 100 times reduced. I wonder what intervention could have caused that.
The whole goal of masks/lockdowns/social distamce was to mitigate covid19 as that is all you can do.
Another person mentioned that covid19 is a mild viral illness, which is partially true, but it is very unusual in many ways. Also, you cant just say 3-5% have severe issues because that is a huge percentage. You think of the mortality of covid19 but dont think of the morbidity of it. It has complications, longhauler symptoms, it causes complications in kids, etc.
Essentially, dont focus on just death numbers, there is a lot if morbidity from it.
I do agree it will be just like another virus eventually.
Moreover, experts changed their recs all the time and that is 100% expected in medicine as time goes on you make your best prediction and with more data and research you find out more and can make more accurate recommendations. Some treatments we did 7 years ago we no longer do anymore due to the newer research. It makes it tough being a physician because you are always in school mode to keep up to date.
Also, medical experts and scientists around the world helped create the modern world we have now, ill trust the professional scholarly organizations over random internet people or rogue doctors with agendas. As a physician in academic medicine the vast majority of us only care about doing what is best for patients, but there are exceptions.
Catch me streaming at twitch.tv/cryomatrix You can see my sci-fi/WW2 book recommendations.
Only real way to see what would have happened without lockdowns and masks is a parallel universe which we cant do,
Oh, so to prove masks do not work, you need a parallel universe but somehow, there is ample evidence they do work even without one
With that line of thinking, you can prove about anything...which is just happening.
To truly have test you'd need to have a super spreaders around people in a variety of scenarios multiple times to see who gets infected and how.
That said Fauci's emails are pretty damning that he may have known the cause of the virus and be linked to it. He clearly lied to congress and the American people. He should be prosecuted. Sadly, partisan politics seems to have half the country dumb, deaf and blind to it.
Only real way to see what would have happened without lockdowns and masks is a parallel universe which we cant do,
Oh, so to prove masks do not work, you need a parallel universe but somehow, there is ample evidence they do work even without one
With that line of thinking, you can prove about anything...which is just happening.
Nuances.
To make that specific claim that was made by the poster i was referring to requires a parallel universe to control for the many confounding factors of real life. The only way to truly know what would have happened if no masks or lockdowns or anything is ultimately with a parallel universe.
To prove a simple and straightforward claim on there being a benefit for masks impeding covid19 transmission is much easier to do and there is ample evidence for that.
You fail to understand the scope of the claim.
Here is an example to undestand scope of a claim. It is practically impossible to prove that germany would have won WWII if they didnt open two fronts.
Compared to a claim that Hitler's ego and drug use had negative impact on the German war effort.
Or another claim, the US would have won vietnam under a different president verses the negative long term effects of agent orange use in vietnam.
Catch me streaming at twitch.tv/cryomatrix You can see my sci-fi/WW2 book recommendations.
Vermillion_Raventhal said: He clearly lied to congress and the American people. He should be prosecuted.
...why? On the contrary, he only did what you asked him to do.
He really did not have much choice - just look at your own reaction or the reaction of healthcare professional above..
You mean, I asked him to send tax payer money to a Chinese lab to research gain of function and lie about it to congress? Totally separate issues from whether mask work or not.
The best part is the only agenda that can be spotted is with the insistent use of vaccines without testing any alternatives. Money.
There is no harm in testing the efficacy of ivermectin save one. That is if it works the US will technically be required to stop paying for the vaccines. There is absolutely no other risk involved.
Ask yourself who the rogue doctors are with agendas since no one except the patients would benefit from it working.
Only real way to see what would have happened without lockdowns and masks is a parallel universe which we cant do, but we can look at a proxy and see that flu and RSV incidences were less than 1% of the usual. Over 100 times reduced. I wonder what intervention could have caused that.
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Does this make sense to you? Does it sound truthful? Do alarm bells not go off with this kind of information being put out there?
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That sounds more like something I'd do at my option.
However, I'm sure multiple truths could be constructed from the same material, each fashioned to suit the needs and wants of the maker.
Why should I put your truth over the contrasting one of another. Why should my truth if I had bothered to construct one be put over another that contrasts it.
Yes, it was handled poorly, especially when it came to Trumps "happy thoughts" approach to the pandemic, at least early on. It was unhelpful.
I expect the amount of blame assessed and fallout applied will approximate the amount needed to ensure little if any of it befalls those it should.
I don't think the "Peter Principle" is generally applied to the elected.
On the side, you mention Trump negatively, but I thought he made sense and did pretty good amid all the chaos created by the folks of "science."
More and more is coming out on those folks, and it looks like a bunch of arse covering and federal funding protection has been going on.
Once upon a time....
It is simply the way of things, evidenced in any political dispute paraded before the media and increasingly so in wider application.
Trump could be used as the poster child in a campaign to abolish democracy by adherents of contrary political systems.
https://www.pharmaceutical-technology.com/features/ivermectin-covid-19-antiparasitic-political/
But hey, who knows maybe the manufacturer of the drug has also been corrupted by the CCP and "the folks of science."
What a fucking joke this thread is.
“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?”
― CD PROJEKT RED
You should put that on a t-shirt and sell them to be worn along with MAGA hats.
Opportunity knocks.
Ivermectin has been in heavy use for 40 years with nearly zero side effects (minor at most) so the risks in testing it is zero. Yet when you go through the emails with Fauci, and all the doctors that pleaded for it to become a part of the standard regimen it was always the same answer, "We need to test it first".
"We're going to lower the bar so these million dollar vaccines can be dispersed, but this dirt cheap completely safe medication we're raising the bar".
Yes, it makes perfect sense. You're just trained to believe whatever they tell you.
“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?”
― CD PROJEKT RED
But hey I'm done with all the idiocy in this thread. Good luck with your Youtube healthcare advice.
“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?”
― CD PROJEKT RED
You do you. I don't care what you think anyway. You are meaningless.
You're obviously much smarter than them even though you've always been a joke around here.
“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?”
― CD PROJEKT RED
That's you isn't it? LMAO
“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?”
― CD PROJEKT RED
There appears to be striking similarities.
The clip is a good example of how actual risks combined with manic presentation, or interpretation, can cause them to be perceived as greater than doing without a vaccine. While interesting in fiction it can cause great harm in reality by slowing the process of building an effective degree of immunization overall.
There is ample evidence that face masks help in preventing covid19 transmssion.
Just google "face mask effectiveness with covid + pubmed"
With the pubmed, you will get the scientific journals that are published and peer reviewed.
They show a benefit to them with cloth masks being least beneficial.
Someone said if masks worked, covid would have been gone and that is a fallacy of thinking.
Only real way to see what would have happened without lockdowns and masks is a parallel universe which we cant do, but we can look at a proxy and see that flu and RSV incidences were less than 1% of the usual. Over 100 times reduced. I wonder what intervention could have caused that.
The whole goal of masks/lockdowns/social distamce was to mitigate covid19 as that is all you can do.
Another person mentioned that covid19 is a mild viral illness, which is partially true, but it is very unusual in many ways. Also, you cant just say 3-5% have severe issues because that is a huge percentage. You think of the mortality of covid19 but dont think of the morbidity of it. It has complications, longhauler symptoms, it causes complications in kids, etc.
Essentially, dont focus on just death numbers, there is a lot if morbidity from it.
I do agree it will be just like another virus eventually.
Moreover, experts changed their recs all the time and that is 100% expected in medicine as time goes on you make your best prediction and with more data and research you find out more and can make more accurate recommendations. Some treatments we did 7 years ago we no longer do anymore due to the newer research. It makes it tough being a physician because you are always in school mode to keep up to date.
Also, medical experts and scientists around the world helped create the modern world we have now, ill trust the professional scholarly organizations over random internet people or rogue doctors with agendas. As a physician in academic medicine the vast majority of us only care about doing what is best for patients, but there are exceptions.
You can see my sci-fi/WW2 book recommendations.
With that line of thinking, you can prove about anything...which is just happening.
That said Fauci's emails are pretty damning that he may have known the cause of the virus and be linked to it. He clearly lied to congress and the American people. He should be prosecuted. Sadly, partisan politics seems to have half the country dumb, deaf and blind to it.
He really did not have much choice - just look at your own reaction or the reaction of healthcare professional above..
To make that specific claim that was made by the poster i was referring to requires a parallel universe to control for the many confounding factors of real life. The only way to truly know what would have happened if no masks or lockdowns or anything is ultimately with a parallel universe.
To prove a simple and straightforward claim on there being a benefit for masks impeding covid19 transmission is much easier to do and there is ample evidence for that.
You fail to understand the scope of the claim.
Here is an example to undestand scope of a claim. It is practically impossible to prove that germany would have won WWII if they didnt open two fronts.
Compared to a claim that Hitler's ego and drug use had negative impact on the German war effort.
Or another claim, the US would have won vietnam under a different president verses the negative long term effects of agent orange use in vietnam.
You can see my sci-fi/WW2 book recommendations.
There is no harm in testing the efficacy of ivermectin save one. That is if it works the US will technically be required to stop paying for the vaccines. There is absolutely no other risk involved.
Do alarm bells not go off with this kind of information being put out there?
Once upon a time....