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New World Details More Of Its Cash Shop Plans, No Plans To Provide Anything That Feels 'Pay To Win'

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imageNew World Details More Of Its Cash Shop Plans, No Plans To Provide Anything That Feels 'Pay To Win' | MMORPG.com

The New World cash shop has been something of a lightning rod the last few weeks in the MMO community after news that Amazon was testing an in-game cash shop during the latest alpha. However, it was the idea of adding boosters to the shop that drew criticism from across the playerbase.

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  • BlinkennBlinkenn Member UncommonPosts: 166
    The title 'No Plans To Provide Anything That Feels Pay To Win' is missing one word: "yet"
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  • Slapshot1188Slapshot1188 Member LegendaryPosts: 17,406

    Blinkenn said:

    The title 'No Plans To Provide Anything That Feels Pay To Win' is missing one word: "yet"



    Yup. What they said was: "We won't consider selling anything other than cosmetic items until 2022 at the earliest."
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  • XatshXatsh Member RarePosts: 451
    Any item that gives any player an advantage is p2w. That simple. Game studios do not get to define p2w period. Would be like the coal industry saying they are good for the environment.... all marketing bs.

    Also players should have NO SAY in adding p2w crap. Most People are lazy and people wanting easy mode cashshop progression will ruin it for everyone else. Again to hell with profits. Game Longevity and health > 15% increase in revenue... at least it should be.

    Catch up shit in the cash shop is p2w. Just as lvl boost are. They allow a players who paid to progress faster where a person who did no has to work for it. Thus allows faster progression.

    A player who starts a year or so later should be behind and should have to work just as much as the people on day 1. If that is gamebreaking for them... who cares.

    Devs just need to stop making games like ffxiv and wow where only current tier endgame matters and you would not need this crap. Older games did not have this problem.

    Another method would be start players at cap lvl and do not charge anything if the lvling experiance is that shit. Think about it. Exact same effect, except amazon makes less money..... so i say lets do that instead and amazon can just eat the lost developement cost for trash content they want you to pay to skip.
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  • TillerTiller Member LegendaryPosts: 11,403
    As much as I hate to say it and as much as people here may find it hard to believe, because it is Amazon it will likely do better than any of the other upcoming MMOs and probably become a new mainstay. It's not a bad thing, it may bring popularity back to the genera; but yeah it's probably not going to fail as some might think.
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  • drumchannelldrumchannell Member UncommonPosts: 183

    Tiller said:

    As much as I hate to say it and as much as people here may find it hard to believe, because it is Amazon it will likely do better than any of the other upcoming MMOs and probably become a new mainstay. It's not a bad thing, it may bring popularity back to the genera; but yeah it's probably not going to fail as some might think.



    The other Amazon games have failed...
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  • alkarionlogalkarionlog Member EpicPosts: 3,584

    SkitzoX said:

    Items in the store during Alpha will be purely cosmetic and provide no gameplay advantages. As the game evolves, we may add new categories of store items based on our players’ desires. We may make mistakes which is why we’re testing and engaging with our community to solicit feedback. 

    We won't consider selling anything other than cosmetic items until 2022 at the earliest.

    The wording leaves it wide open and more or less confirms QoL items will be sold.



    the way its said already toss in your face they WILL bring p2w cash shop after a year, well only diference from other games is at least they can say we told you so we would
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  • theGnadetheGnade Member UncommonPosts: 147
    edited May 2021
    Amazon will be like:" They can pay use $10 or grind 1000 hours, nothing pay to win there" and fanboys be like "It is pay-to-convenience".
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  • olepiolepi Member EpicPosts: 2,969
    Obviously, they will introduce "pay to not play" in the cash shop. Is it p2w if you can get the item by playing, and somebody else can just buy it?

    I know nothing about the game, but lets take ammunition. Let's say you have to harvest items and then craft ammo, which takes play time. Somebody else can just "pay to not play" and buy ammo from the cash shop. Is that p2w?

    If they sell health potions in the shop, is that p2w?
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  • AlbatroesAlbatroes Member LegendaryPosts: 7,671
    I guess I'm the only one more worried that they can have more of a detailed roadmap for their cash shop than they can for the content post-launch. What have they said their content roadmap is going to be post-launch? Anyone?
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  • ScotScot Member LegendaryPosts: 24,022
    2022 is only what a few months after the game launches, so it is P2W from then on?
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  • KyleranKyleran Member LegendaryPosts: 43,882

    Blinkenn said:

    The title 'No Plans To Provide Anything That Feels Pay To Win' is missing one word: "yet"



    Yup. What they said was: "We won't consider selling anything other than cosmetic items until 2022 at the earliest."
    Probably a "harbinger" that the game isn't likely to release much before 2022.

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  • KyleranKyleran Member LegendaryPosts: 43,882
    As there is no universally agreed upon definition of what is P2W they aren't lying, no matter what they eventually decide to sell in the store.


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  • Slapshot1188Slapshot1188 Member LegendaryPosts: 17,406
    Kyleran said:

    Blinkenn said:

    The title 'No Plans To Provide Anything That Feels Pay To Win' is missing one word: "yet"



    Yup. What they said was: "We won't consider selling anything other than cosmetic items until 2022 at the earliest."
    Probably a "harbinger" that the game isn't likely to release much before 2022.

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  • MendelMendel Member LegendaryPosts: 5,609
    "Lane also talks about how the cash shop is meant to "embrace veterans and welcome new arrivals" alike, ..."

    How, exactly, is the cash shop going 'to embrace new arrivals'?  I guess this applies only to those new players who feel that they haven't paid enough with the $60 box price.  How many people playing an MMORPG feel the need to immediately fork out $200 dollars for a nifty costume?  And what happens when they see 9 of every 10 characters in that same exact outfit?



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  • TwoTubesTwoTubes Member UncommonPosts: 328
    Dead game walking
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  • SpiiderSpiider Member RarePosts: 1,135
    Its Amazon. Enough for people with at least one working brain cell.

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  • olepiolepi Member EpicPosts: 2,969

    Kyleran said:

    As there is no universally agreed upon definition of what is P2W they aren't lying, no matter what they eventually decide to sell in the store.





    The universally agreed definition of P2W is some item that confers more power to the player than any other of the same type, and it is only available for purchase and cannot be gotten by just playing the game.

    Almost no game has that, but if they make the chances of getting that item 0.0000001% after 10 years of play, it is effectively P2W.

    That's why I use the term "pay to not play", where you can get the items by playing, and other people can pay to not have to play to get the item.
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  • RemyVorenderRemyVorender Member RarePosts: 4,000
    The title of this article is incredibly misleading.

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  • kitaradkitarad Member LegendaryPosts: 8,126
    This is a PvP game, if it was a PvE game the fact that you can buy ammo or potions won't matter but when you're fighting other players and they have an advantage over you it counts as a bad thing. This should not even be a question clearly they should never introduce this in a PvP game. Any form of advantage even if it is only to save time has no bearing when you're fighting NPCs but has a huge significance in PvP game.
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  • WizardryWizardry Member LegendaryPosts: 19,332
    They should watch Kira's video because there are things said in there that they *might understand.
    IMO they do know full well that cash shops are garbage monetization ideas but the don't care about those that hate it they only care about selling to those dumbasses that will spend added income on the cash shop.
    Those type of people are too stupid to understand why even cosmetics are a really trashy idea.

    All these lame ass studios are trying to do is find a line that crosses between buying a game and creating more revenue on top.If they are all concerned with skins then enable the tools so players can skin their own items.

    They are trying to find that demographic where they  can just dangle something in front of their eyes and they will bite at the bait.

    So i can say that Amazon is going fishing for suckers and coming armed with various bait.
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  • WizardryWizardry Member LegendaryPosts: 19,332
    Amazon already has the fossil fuel shortage covered......

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  • xMatroxxMatrox Member UncommonPosts: 6
    You guys wanna play or do you wanna just spit your old drama? Everybody plays POE i mean milions of players and guess what, poe have microtransactions called cosmetics. There wasn't even beta and everybody judge out of their 6 about xp boost and other p2w sh1t they haven't even seen yet, and then every single one of these hypocrits will play the game anyway.
    Keep it calm, relax and enjoy the game (or fight in it, its made for it). Leave toxicity for yourself. Peace
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  • AvanahAvanah Member RarePosts: 1,626

    SkitzoX said:


    Tiller said:

    As much as I hate to say it and as much as people here may find it hard to believe, because it is Amazon it will likely do better than any of the other upcoming MMOs and probably become a new mainstay. It's not a bad thing, it may bring popularity back to the genera; but yeah it's probably not going to fail as some might think.


    The same could have been said for their last two games?



    Do tell which of their previous Games were "MMOS"?
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    And reading more of the responses above all I see is Anti-Amazon.
    I HAVE played in the New World past Alphas and with their revamps I am excited to see where the game is going.
    I have seen not one hint at P2W elements so people need to stop ASSuming until proven otherwise.
    If you don't like what you see, move on to something else.

    I think NW is going to be a success IMO. I really enjoyed it once they removed the forced PvP aspect. 20 July needs to get here faster. :)

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  • UtinniUtinni Member EpicPosts: 2,209
    Why are people surprised that a game made by Amazon of all companies is gonna be monetized?
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  • KumaponKumapon Member EpicPosts: 1,605
    So 4 months after release, got it.
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