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Some WoW Players Are Pretty Upset Over The Burning Crusade Classic's Character Clone Fee | MMORPG.co

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  • Veexer_NuiVeexer_Nui Member UncommonPosts: 268
    So many correct the record posters here.

    People don't like arena changes in tbc (first 2 seasons were 100% no rating requirement) Now you need 2200 rating to have full pvp set, how do you plan to get that? You will be fighting people in full raid gear, warglaives, Atiesh druids, some classes will NEVER reach 2200.
    This also removes the pvp gear catchup mechanic, You can't reach 2050? well tough luck no weapon for you.
    Not only this, but because of the rating requirement you no longer unlock s1/s2 pvp gear overtime, this now lets people sell arena boosts, and it will be more rampant than dungeon boosting.

    People don't like 1h weapons being changed to 'main hand only' Enhancement shamans no longer have an offhand weapon now until phase 4. This just shows the ineptitude of the people making decisions for classic, clearly retail developers who have never even played it.

    Honestly I don't even care about the costs, boosts ect, i'll be paying the $9.99 sub and that's it.

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  • mithossmithoss Member UncommonPosts: 227

    tremmor said:

    So ppl think that when they pay 14,99$ they should have access to WoW, WoW classic and WoW classic TBC... (Also remember You can buy sub and even other Blizz games with wow ingame money... what other company does that?). isn't that like three different games ran on 3 different servers?

    IMHO Blizz should go with 2-3 different subbing systems. 1 for each or 1 for current patch+classic and the other one for TBC... Of course that would make the nerds cry too....

    Gamers are the most whiney community (besides LGBT snowflakes).



    sucker detected. Paying thrice for different patches of the same game running on servers that were closed due to low pop in the main game. Corporations must love you
  • NildenNilden Member EpicPosts: 3,916
    Kyleran said:
    Gamers hate paying for games... Weird
    Yeah it's only a billion dollar industry. Along with Blizzard here reporting record profits all while losing 11 million players.

    I'm pretty sure gamers are throwing money at games.

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  • ShaighShaigh Member EpicPosts: 2,150
    Actiblizzard just love milking gamers while reducing the amount of employees so they can focus on the business they truly care about, making money. The money earned through microtransactions won't be put into improving games, it will only improve their capability of making more microtransactions.

    As a gamer there is no benefit whatsoever.
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  • FrodoFraginsFrodoFragins Member EpicPosts: 6,053
    edited May 2021
    I lost interest as soon as they announced boosts.  But I also knew they be charging an overpriced fee for cloning as well.  Since losing interest I've moved back to private servers for hardcore mode and another server that is slowly unlocking levels, currently capped at level 39 on the way to WOTLK.

    I have zero loyalty to Activision and I'm not even sure if I'll buy D2:Remastered.

    The reason they are losing players but increasing profits is because of crap like this.  Eventually it won't be sustainable though.
  • MaggonMaggon Member UncommonPosts: 360
    edited May 2021

    tremmor said:

    So ppl think that when they pay 14,99$ they should have access to WoW, WoW classic and WoW classic TBC... (Also remember You can buy sub and even other Blizz games with wow ingame money... what other company does that?). isn't that like three different games ran on 3 different servers?

    IMHO Blizz should go with 2-3 different subbing systems. 1 for each or 1 for current patch+classic and the other one for TBC... [mod edit]




    How is it 3 different games ?
    Isn't it the same game just with a different expansion?

    Also, lots of people already paid for said expansion as is back when it was released.

    - On another note, isn't paying for a clone pretty much the same as paying for the expansion a second time o.O?
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  • ScotScot Member LegendaryPosts: 24,341
    kitarad said:
    Unless you want to keep one character in classic and another in TBC you don't have to pay. I don't understand what all the fuss is about.
    You are a gamer right? :)
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  • MargraveMargrave Member RarePosts: 1,370
    Those not happy will just return to private servers. It's just Blizz running customers off again. Nothing new.
    Kyleran
  • KyleranKyleran Member LegendaryPosts: 44,016
    edited May 2021
    Margrave said:
    Those not happy will just return to private servers. It's just Blizz running customers off again. Nothing new.
    Not all customers are worth retaining. Those willing to pirate an actively developed game by playing for free fall into this category.
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  • alkarionlogalkarionlog Member EpicPosts: 3,584

    Kyleran said:

    Gamers hate paying for games... Weird



    paying? no, over paying or paying for things you already paid then yes, and that is for everything, not only games
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  • SKurjSKurj Member UncommonPosts: 162
    personally... $35 to dupe your character... so you can play on 2 servers... i don't see a problem here...
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  • mgilbrtsnmgilbrtsn Member EpicPosts: 3,430
    When aren't people upset?  I guess WoW players have it good now.  Since classic, they now have the opportunity to be upset, not once, but twice.  The cup runneth over for our chronic upset'ees.

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  • xpsyncxpsync Member EpicPosts: 1,854
    I've no interest in any of the upcoming classic wow servers.

    Classic was all i wanted to play and experience as i missed it playing EQ2 while it was still the one of the two top mmorpg's at the time along with SWG.

    BC was the start of the everything which heralded in the solo mmorpg mindset of the "i want it now" crowd. They won with their wallets.

    Thing is they don't care anyway, they want it now and are more than ready to part $$ for it, and today every mmorpg's is a cash shop solo single player game with other people around.

    You can observer the difference.

    Classic was hard core with the #nochanges
    BCC though, #nochanges has zero meaning and is never mentioned outside a joke or two.

    Yet when you look at the big mmorpg picture overall today, wow retail is the only one left where you got to work for it within hard af content, and probably becasue they still are pc only, as in not overly simplified for console players.

    That all said, i'm somewhat pissed at this as well and i know my character is going to stay in vanilla anyway, i'm so in to Raiding and SWG:L that i doubt i'll ever play it again anyway so i really don't care at all what happens... but i get the outcries 100%.

    Although on the other side this is the crowd that started this type of corp behavior, take my money please just don't make me work for anything. Level Boost for example.

    SO, i'm sure some of you know where i headed with this so not going to say it.

    Personally though if i was invested in this i'd be po'd off too, as thinking about it i know i'd want to stay in classic but say i felt like being there for when the doors open fun, rock and a hard place cause that'll cost me 35 bones, at the minimum there should have been one free clone.
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  • blamo2000blamo2000 Member RarePosts: 1,130
    Iselin said:
    The "true" classic experience for purists who wanted to roll back the clock (and were outraged when someone made a free group finder add-on for Classic,) would be to level-up and move on to BC when the character is ready. If I were still playing it (I'm not - got bored with it pretty quickly) that's what I would do. 

    Character cloning where you get to keep the same character in both servers and paid boosts to 58 ain't "classic."

    Both of those things are over priced, yes, but also perfectly aligned with the cost of level boosts and server transfers (and in modern WoW that's not cloning, just a move) that Blizzard has sold for many years for modern WoW.

    Whining about this, which presumably is being sold to those who sort of want a "classic" BC experience... ish, using a modern wallet-warrior method to get there gets zero sympathy from me.
    If that is the true classic experience they can level up and move on to BC, just as you claim they want.

    For me, classic is the type of gameplay and the sum of mechanics.  Does the game have the same exact systems, mechanics, and gameplay?  For vanilla almost 100% yes, for BC a little less mostly yes.

    They are making some significant gameplay and mechanics changes to BC.  I have yet to see any "purist" complain about the actual changes on this site.  It seems people claiming to be purists are trying to make a purist argument about the 58 boost and split server copy, while ignoring the actual things that bother purists.

    I don't care if someone gets 58 by buying it from Blizzard, buying an ebay account, taking a friends account, or grinding.  I care about gameplay and systems when I log in.  Is it BC?  If yes, I am happy.  If no, I am not.  How someone got to 58 means nothing to me at all.

    I also don't care if they have split servers and you can play on vanilla or BC.  It has zero impact on if I log in if I am playing BC or just a watered-down pseudo-BC.  

    I have a very strong suspicion that the people slamming blizzard for the paid 58 boost would be praising them if they gave them out for free, as I believe people's anger is about having to pay, and not the actual boost itself.  

    I have three level sixties and don't plan on getting any paid boosts personally.  I just don't care if other people choose to.  If it was free I would probably do it
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  • baphametbaphamet Member RarePosts: 3,311
    people complain if things have been changed. well, you were forced to play TBC back in the day. options are always good, you can still stay in vanilla if you don't want to play in TBC for free. you can still play in TBC for free.

    but if you want to clone your character to play that character in both classic and TBC you have to pay. people complaining about this are drama queens.

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  • baphametbaphamet Member RarePosts: 3,311
    edited May 2021

    theGnade said:

    I would have been fine with that prize if it was like new experience or new game or it was like only version of WoW. But what they are doing is selling me a game that I already played and payed 10 years ago, and it isn't even the main version of WoW. The retail is that is getting all the new content, so yeah I am not interested paying for TBC.



    maybe that's because you don't have to pay for anything (other than sub) unless you want to play both vanilla and TBC with the same character?

    i'm not intersted in buying TBC again either, it's a good thing i don't have to.

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  • IselinIselin Member LegendaryPosts: 18,719
    edited May 2021
    blamo2000 said:
    Iselin said:
    The "true" classic experience for purists who wanted to roll back the clock (and were outraged when someone made a free group finder add-on for Classic,) would be to level-up and move on to BC when the character is ready. If I were still playing it (I'm not - got bored with it pretty quickly) that's what I would do. 

    Character cloning where you get to keep the same character in both servers and paid boosts to 58 ain't "classic."

    Both of those things are over priced, yes, but also perfectly aligned with the cost of level boosts and server transfers (and in modern WoW that's not cloning, just a move) that Blizzard has sold for many years for modern WoW.

    Whining about this, which presumably is being sold to those who sort of want a "classic" BC experience... ish, using a modern wallet-warrior method to get there gets zero sympathy from me.
    If that is the true classic experience they can level up and move on to BC, just as you claim they want.

    For me, classic is the type of gameplay and the sum of mechanics.  Does the game have the same exact systems, mechanics, and gameplay?  For vanilla almost 100% yes, for BC a little less mostly yes.

    They are making some significant gameplay and mechanics changes to BC.  I have yet to see any "purist" complain about the actual changes on this site.  It seems people claiming to be purists are trying to make a purist argument about the 58 boost and split server copy, while ignoring the actual things that bother purists.

    I don't care if someone gets 58 by buying it from Blizzard, buying an ebay account, taking a friends account, or grinding.  I care about gameplay and systems when I log in.  Is it BC?  If yes, I am happy.  If no, I am not.  How someone got to 58 means nothing to me at all.

    I also don't care if they have split servers and you can play on vanilla or BC.  It has zero impact on if I log in if I am playing BC or just a watered-down pseudo-BC.  

    I have a very strong suspicion that the people slamming blizzard for the paid 58 boost would be praising them if they gave them out for free, as I believe people's anger is about having to pay, and not the actual boost itself.  

    I have three level sixties and don't plan on getting any paid boosts personally.  I just don't care if other people choose to.  If it was free I would probably do it
    My emphasis was not meant to be on players who choose boosts or cloning though I did refer to them as "wallet warriors."

    That's an old term that's been around since the days of buying accounts on Ebay or using third party leveling services to get through cash what others got through playing in all MMOs, not just WoW. That happened also when I played Asheron's Call in 1999.

    I personally don't have much respect for people who do that but that wasn't my point.

    The point is that for TBC it is a 100% optional service to either pay for a boost or pay for cloning AND people are outraged that both of those are paid services.

    Outrage would be appropriate if they were charging an expansion fee or if you needed a separate sub for TBC. But they're doing neither of those.

    All they're doing is selling an optional service - one that is not "classic" in the least as those things did not exist through Blizzard back when TBC originally launched. They're selling a currently commonplace, MMO socio-economic convenience service, for those who have no problem buying those services and some people are losing their shit over that.

    WTF did they think? That Blizzard would give boosts and cloning away for free? They are frigging optional, not mandatory. The only mandatory thing is a sub to WoW which gives you access to modern, classic and TBC.

    I'm not a Blizz fan and will give them shit whenever they do something stupid but this isn't one of those things.
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  • blamo2000blamo2000 Member RarePosts: 1,130
    Iselin said:

    I'm not a Blizz fan and will give them shit whenever they do something stupid but this isn't one of those things.
    What has me angry is the arena changes.  Arena is the main driver for me and the changes they maid are not good for me and my kind of player.  I don't want to wait in queue forever or fight the same handful of groups forever.  

    We won't have the diversity or fodder to test all the things I want to test.  Arena will start with a small population and end with a small population, with no reason for the masses to participate like there was in BC.  I understand the reasons stated, but I don't think they understand the reasons we are all asking them to not make these changes.  
  • blamo2000blamo2000 Member RarePosts: 1,130
    I wish MMORPG would do a story on the arena changes and how it impacts who participates and why, Blizzards reasons and the community counter-reasons.

    This is way more important than paid boosts to 58 or same character server splits or whatever.
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  • KyleranKyleran Member LegendaryPosts: 44,016
    blamo2000 said:
    I wish MMORPG would do a story on the arena changes and how it impacts who participates and why, Blizzards reasons and the community counter-reasons.

    This is way more important than paid boosts to 58 or same character server splits or whatever.
    I think we'd first need a story to understand why anyone would be interested in playing WOW's arenas, I had forgotten all about them personally.

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  • blamo2000blamo2000 Member RarePosts: 1,130
    Kyleran said:
    blamo2000 said:
    I wish MMORPG would do a story on the arena changes and how it impacts who participates and why, Blizzards reasons and the community counter-reasons.

    This is way more important than paid boosts to 58 or same character server splits or whatever.
    I think we'd first need a story to understand why anyone would be interested in playing WOW's arenas, I had forgotten all about them personally.
    If you have the arena bug, you get it bad.  What game has a better arena than wow in BC and WotlK?

    I'd like to hear your story on how or why you think the most fun thing WoW had to offer isn't fun though. 
  • FrodoFraginsFrodoFragins Member EpicPosts: 6,053
    Iselin said:
    blamo2000 said:
    Iselin said:
    The "true" classic experience for purists who wanted to roll back the clock (and were outraged when someone made a free group finder add-on for Classic,) would be to level-up and move on to BC when the character is ready. If I were still playing it (I'm not - got bored with it pretty quickly) that's what I would do. 

    Character cloning where you get to keep the same character in both servers and paid boosts to 58 ain't "classic."

    Both of those things are over priced, yes, but also perfectly aligned with the cost of level boosts and server transfers (and in modern WoW that's not cloning, just a move) that Blizzard has sold for many years for modern WoW.

    Whining about this, which presumably is being sold to those who sort of want a "classic" BC experience... ish, using a modern wallet-warrior method to get there gets zero sympathy from me.
    If that is the true classic experience they can level up and move on to BC, just as you claim they want.

    For me, classic is the type of gameplay and the sum of mechanics.  Does the game have the same exact systems, mechanics, and gameplay?  For vanilla almost 100% yes, for BC a little less mostly yes.

    They are making some significant gameplay and mechanics changes to BC.  I have yet to see any "purist" complain about the actual changes on this site.  It seems people claiming to be purists are trying to make a purist argument about the 58 boost and split server copy, while ignoring the actual things that bother purists.

    I don't care if someone gets 58 by buying it from Blizzard, buying an ebay account, taking a friends account, or grinding.  I care about gameplay and systems when I log in.  Is it BC?  If yes, I am happy.  If no, I am not.  How someone got to 58 means nothing to me at all.

    I also don't care if they have split servers and you can play on vanilla or BC.  It has zero impact on if I log in if I am playing BC or just a watered-down pseudo-BC.  

    I have a very strong suspicion that the people slamming blizzard for the paid 58 boost would be praising them if they gave them out for free, as I believe people's anger is about having to pay, and not the actual boost itself.  

    I have three level sixties and don't plan on getting any paid boosts personally.  I just don't care if other people choose to.  If it was free I would probably do it
    My emphasis was not meant to be on players who choose boosts or cloning though I did refer to them as "wallet warriors."

    That's an old term that's been around since the days of buying accounts on Ebay or using third party leveling services to get through cash what others got through playing in all MMOs, not just WoW. That happened also when I played Asheron's Call in 1999.

    I personally don't have much respect for people who do that but that wasn't my point.

    The point is that for TBC it is a 100% optional service to either pay for a boost or pay for cloning AND people are outraged that both of those are paid services.

    Outrage would be appropriate if they were charging an expansion fee or if you needed a separate sub for TBC. But they're doing neither of those.

    All they're doing is selling an optional service - one that is not "classic" in the least as those things did not exist through Blizzard back when TBC originally launched. They're selling a currently commonplace, MMO socio-economic convenience service, for those who have no problem buying those services and some people are losing their shit over that.

    WTF did they think? That Blizzard would give boosts and cloning away for free? They are frigging optional, not mandatory. The only mandatory thing is a sub to WoW which gives you access to modern, classic and TBC.

    I'm not a Blizz fan and will give them shit whenever they do something stupid but this isn't one of those things.
    Quite a straw man there.  There are various critics of what they've done all with different issues.  I'm not outraged as WC3:Reforged was the last chance they had to regain ANY faith in them.

    For me:

    1)  Boosts shouldn't exist AT ALL. (But $40 is still gouging it should be about $20)
    2) Cloning should be $15 max as the process is already automated
    3) 2 weeks of pre-patch is a joke and meant to sell more boosts as most players can't level a draenei or blood elf to level 58 in two weeks
    4) Their $70 Deluxe edition doesn't even include a boost or clone to help justify the price or give some sort of value. (Collecting is a thing and a box price + sub + exclusive store stuff has been their MO on retail for a long time.  That's the main reason why I abandoned them)

    It's crazy that so many of you are willing to ignore the prices being charged for a game that released 14 years ago.  You're the people that have created the monsters that are EA and Activision.

    Personally, I think they are doing this to try to counter all of the lost subs to retail wow.  Their strategy can only last so long before they alienate too many players and lost too much customer loyalty.

    Blizzard is basically dead and being milked by bean counters.  It's pretty depressing really.

  • fineflufffinefluff Member RarePosts: 561
    edited May 2021
    Iselin said:
    blamo2000 said:
    Iselin said:
    The "true" classic experience for purists who wanted to roll back the clock (and were outraged when someone made a free group finder add-on for Classic,) would be to level-up and move on to BC when the character is ready. If I were still playing it (I'm not - got bored with it pretty quickly) that's what I would do. 

    Character cloning where you get to keep the same character in both servers and paid boosts to 58 ain't "classic."

    Both of those things are over priced, yes, but also perfectly aligned with the cost of level boosts and server transfers (and in modern WoW that's not cloning, just a move) that Blizzard has sold for many years for modern WoW.

    Whining about this, which presumably is being sold to those who sort of want a "classic" BC experience... ish, using a modern wallet-warrior method to get there gets zero sympathy from me.
    If that is the true classic experience they can level up and move on to BC, just as you claim they want.

    For me, classic is the type of gameplay and the sum of mechanics.  Does the game have the same exact systems, mechanics, and gameplay?  For vanilla almost 100% yes, for BC a little less mostly yes.

    They are making some significant gameplay and mechanics changes to BC.  I have yet to see any "purist" complain about the actual changes on this site.  It seems people claiming to be purists are trying to make a purist argument about the 58 boost and split server copy, while ignoring the actual things that bother purists.

    I don't care if someone gets 58 by buying it from Blizzard, buying an ebay account, taking a friends account, or grinding.  I care about gameplay and systems when I log in.  Is it BC?  If yes, I am happy.  If no, I am not.  How someone got to 58 means nothing to me at all.

    I also don't care if they have split servers and you can play on vanilla or BC.  It has zero impact on if I log in if I am playing BC or just a watered-down pseudo-BC.  

    I have a very strong suspicion that the people slamming blizzard for the paid 58 boost would be praising them if they gave them out for free, as I believe people's anger is about having to pay, and not the actual boost itself.  

    I have three level sixties and don't plan on getting any paid boosts personally.  I just don't care if other people choose to.  If it was free I would probably do it
    My emphasis was not meant to be on players who choose boosts or cloning though I did refer to them as "wallet warriors."

    That's an old term that's been around since the days of buying accounts on Ebay or using third party leveling services to get through cash what others got through playing in all MMOs, not just WoW. That happened also when I played Asheron's Call in 1999.

    I personally don't have much respect for people who do that but that wasn't my point.

    The point is that for TBC it is a 100% optional service to either pay for a boost or pay for cloning AND people are outraged that both of those are paid services.

    Outrage would be appropriate if they were charging an expansion fee or if you needed a separate sub for TBC. But they're doing neither of those.

    All they're doing is selling an optional service - one that is not "classic" in the least as those things did not exist through Blizzard back when TBC originally launched. They're selling a currently commonplace, MMO socio-economic convenience service, for those who have no problem buying those services and some people are losing their shit over that.

    WTF did they think? That Blizzard would give boosts and cloning away for free? They are frigging optional, not mandatory. The only mandatory thing is a sub to WoW which gives you access to modern, classic and TBC.

    I'm not a Blizz fan and will give them shit whenever they do something stupid but this isn't one of those things.
    Quite a straw man there.  There are various critics of what they've done all with different issues.  I'm not outraged as WC3:Reforged was the last chance they had to regain ANY faith in them.

    For me:

    1)  Boosts shouldn't exist AT ALL. (But $40 is still gouging it should be about $20)
    2) Cloning should be $15 max as the process is already automated
    3) 2 weeks of pre-patch is a joke and meant to sell more boosts as most players can't level a draenei or blood elf to level 58 in two weeks
    4) Their $70 Deluxe edition doesn't even include a boost or clone to help justify the price or give some sort of value. (Collecting is a thing and a box price + sub + exclusive store stuff has been their MO on retail for a long time.  That's the main reason why I abandoned them)

    It's crazy that so many of you are willing to ignore the prices being charged for a game that released 14 years ago.  You're the people that have created the monsters that are EA and Activision.

    Personally, I think they are doing this to try to counter all of the lost subs to retail wow.  Their strategy can only last so long before they alienate too many players and lost too much customer loyalty.

    Blizzard is basically dead and being milked by bean counters.  It's pretty depressing really.

    I agree that it feels like Blizzard are charging too high a price for some of these services. They probably try to balance between the price of the service and the number of people who would be willing buy it at that price to maximize profits.

    For example, they estimate that:

    100,000 players are willing buy the cloning service at $20
    60,000 players are willing to buy the cloning service at $35 (they can afford it, but buy it begrudgingly)

    If they charge $20 they make $2 mil. If they charge $35 they make $2.1 mil. The choice is easy for Blizzard. Blizzard wants to have a nice Q2 earnings report after all.

    I feel like this approach, if this really is their reasoning, is hurting Blizzard in the long term. They need to make customers feel like they are valued, not like they are being taken advantage of.

    But, to correct you on a couple of things:

    1) The boost cannot be used on Blood Elf or Draenei characters. Although, I agree that 2 weeks is too short for players just jumping in to level high enough to go through the Dark Portal on day 1. New players will have a greater incentive for buying the boost due to fear of missing out.

    2) The $70 deluxe edition does include the boost. It also includes 30 days game time, which means that if you were gonna play and get the boost anyway, you are paying an extra $15 for basically a unique mount, cosmetic foot print effect, and dark portal hearthstone. I am sure many will buy it. Not me though.
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