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  • TwistedSister77TwistedSister77 Member RarePosts: 741
    botrytis said:
    Once something is on the internet, it can never be taken back period.
    <fart>   :o   Excuse me, pardon my manners :*
  • IselinIselin Member LegendaryPosts: 15,396
    Horusra said:
    Iselin said:
    Iselin said:
    t0nyd said:
    I don't understand why people protect corporations.

    Big pharma is a good example of socializing this cost while capitalizing the product. I take humira for autoimmune issues that I got from what the gov says is a part genetic part problem with the anthrax vaccination. Humira was developed mostly through subsidies from the tax payer. Humira would cost me 3200$ a month but luckily the VA pays it. The VA paying it means that the tax payers are paying for it again. Why so called libertarians and conservatives are ok with this is beyond me.
    I think this graph tells the story pretty well, don't you?

    https://www.statista.com/statistics/312014/average-price-of-humira-by-country/


    Makes sense, in a capitalist country, the price of an item is what people will pay, the insurances will pay, so that is the price.
    Last time I looked the UK, Germany and Switzerland are also capitalist countries. So why 10X the cost in the US?

    If that makes sense to you, I have a bridge I want to unload at a bargain price.
    With socialist health care systems.
    Oooh... the classic red-baiting. McCarthy would be proud of you. LMAO.
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  • IselinIselin Member LegendaryPosts: 15,396
    Iselin said:
    Iselin said:
    t0nyd said:
    I don't understand why people protect corporations.

    Big pharma is a good example of socializing this cost while capitalizing the product. I take humira for autoimmune issues that I got from what the gov says is a part genetic part problem with the anthrax vaccination. Humira was developed mostly through subsidies from the tax payer. Humira would cost me 3200$ a month but luckily the VA pays it. The VA paying it means that the tax payers are paying for it again. Why so called libertarians and conservatives are ok with this is beyond me.
    I think this graph tells the story pretty well, don't you?

    https://www.statista.com/statistics/312014/average-price-of-humira-by-country/


    Makes sense, in a capitalist country, the price of an item is what people will pay, the insurances will pay, so that is the price.
    Last time I looked the UK, Germany and Switzerland are also capitalist countries. So why 10X the cost in the US?

    If that makes sense to you, I have a bridge I want to unload at a bargain price.
    Yes, not every capitalist country is the same. My point is that in a free market with capitalism, what (whoever) someone pays, is what it will cost. Every country is different and every country has different parameters though they may both be capitalistic. 

    Also, have you seen the prices of any hospital or clinic visit in the US, health insurance or government pays the bulk of it and not the people. Pharma can get health insurance to pay X, then that is what they will charge. 

    If you think of it, once you've made your product, where the bulk of the cost is probably R&D and FDA approval and such. I am assuming the manufacturing is a small amount. So then the pharma companies probably go to each country and say, "hey, i have this drug, what will you pay". They negotiate it and sell the drug. If you're already making 20,000% markup on the manufactured drug per unit, it's fine to do 10,000% markup per unit to another country rather then just making it and not selling it. It probably all has to do with bargaining power and leverage a country has vs the pharma company. For example, with single payer entities, the government of the country has a ton of leverage over the pharma where america is broken up into many different health insurances which each negotiate their price along with the government. 

    At some point what a country will pay for a drug and what pharma will sell it for is agreed upon and it is sold. Hence, the price that is 10x more in the US. 

    Im' not justifying it, just saying that, yeah in the world we live in, it makes sense. Also, given that medicare/medicaid pays a fraction of a dollar, a lot of bills are overinflated to reach a level of revenue for the clinic and/or hospital. It ain't right, but it is reality. 


    I only brought up big pharma as an example of other giant megacorps that need to be regulated, not just Amazon since the whole point of this thread, even though Slapshot can't bring himself to actually say it, is to regulate Amazon so they can't ban you on twitch.

    And the point is that most if not all other capitalist countries see the need to regulate big pharma more than the US does with the end result of a stark difference in prices between different capitalist countries as the end result.

    The US sticks out like sore thumb as being the one country that doesn't give enough of a shit about pharmaceutical companies price gouging the sick.

    Some will use the ever present red menace scare and the sacred US freedom to justify it and dismiss countries that get it and give enough of a shit as socialists... except apparently when Amazon wants to keep domestic terrorists off Twitch because those there are fighting words!
    Torval[Deleted User]YashaXGdemami
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  • Slapshot1188Slapshot1188 Member LegendaryPosts: 13,181
    Iselin said:

     except apparently when Amazon wants to keep domestic terrorists off Twitch because those there are fighting words!
    I think you know that is a gross oversimplification and that's the kind of bullshit that makes us never able to move forward.  By all means though lets just retreat back to our tribes and keep on the current path.

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  • IselinIselin Member LegendaryPosts: 15,396
    Iselin said:

     except apparently when Amazon wants to keep domestic terrorists off Twitch because those there are fighting words!
    I think you know that is a gross oversimplification and that's the kind of bullshit that makes us never able to move forward.  By all means though lets just retreat back to our tribes and keep on the current path.
    Definitely... for emphasis. But I'm not the one cherry picking who to regulate and who to give a free ride to.
    Gdemami
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  • Slapshot1188Slapshot1188 Member LegendaryPosts: 13,181
    Iselin said:
    Iselin said:

     except apparently when Amazon wants to keep domestic terrorists off Twitch because those there are fighting words!
    I think you know that is a gross oversimplification and that's the kind of bullshit that makes us never able to move forward.  By all means though lets just retreat back to our tribes and keep on the current path.
    Definitely... for emphasis. But I'm not the one cherry picking who to regulate and who to give a free ride to.
    If 2 people look at 3 items.   Both agree on 1 and disagree on the other 2.  Should we move forward with the 1 while discussing differences on the others?  Or should we just sit as we do today and insist that we do nothing unless we do everything we want?

    That's what's wrong with our politics today. Each side (and I'm not a member of EITHER to be clear) wants 100% of their wish list and will try to sabotage the other side even if that means not moving forward with stuff they agree with.  
    GdemamiVrika

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  • IselinIselin Member LegendaryPosts: 15,396
    Iselin said:
    Iselin said:

     except apparently when Amazon wants to keep domestic terrorists off Twitch because those there are fighting words!
    I think you know that is a gross oversimplification and that's the kind of bullshit that makes us never able to move forward.  By all means though lets just retreat back to our tribes and keep on the current path.
    Definitely... for emphasis. But I'm not the one cherry picking who to regulate and who to give a free ride to.
    If 2 people look at 3 items.   Both agree on 1 and disagree on the other 2.  Should we move forward with the 1 while discussing differences on the others?  Or should we just sit as we do today and insist that we do nothing unless we do everything we want?

    That's what's wrong with our politics today. Each side (and I'm not a member of EITHER to be clear) wants 100% of their wish list and will try to sabotage the other side even if that means not moving forward with stuff they agree with.  
    The way reasonable people would do it is through compromise. I spent most of my adult life negotiating contracts and negotiations are nothing if not compromise.

    Here's a deal for you: you come out in full support of regulating gambling (i.e. loot boxes) in games and I'll support regulating Amazon... deal?
    Gdemami
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  • UngoodUngood Member LegendaryPosts: 5,563
    Ungood said:
    cheyane said:
    Ungood said:
    Ungood said:
    AlBQuirky said:
     What if something said today is ban-able next year?

    This is something I think that the people that support this kind of nonsense really do not grasp. 

    What if in 10 years, they get fired from their job because of something they said on twitter last week, that was by todays standards a harmless joke, but has since morphed into something that became offensive.

    This total lack of foresight, is what allows those in power to continually expand their control.
    This has already happened many times.  The female Teen Vogue editor (27) was canned for a post she made when she was a teenager (underage) about asians.

    And she's actually a minority, woke, a liberal... nobody is safe.
    Which is why I have deleted all my social media accounts.

    The few I have active, like Twitter, I do not post anything on, I just follow politics and celebrates.. but.. I'll be damned if I am going to say anything in the public eye that can be tracked back to me.
    You intend to run is it?
    Yah.. I was planning on running for president on the "Gimmie Money" platform, where I admit that I am just running for office to get the endless paycheck & health coverage, and then step down after a day, so my VP, who will be a right and proper Cyborg Alien Overlord, can take their place as rightful ruler.

    I for one welcome our Cyborg Alien Overloads! 
    There is no "delete", it helps if an pissed off amateur internet co-worker is trying to find out stuff... but everything is archived online. :'(

    The real power of Facebook/Instagram... future generations of powerful people... Zuckerberg has all their teenage dirt... even after they delete it.
    Zuck, or the major players having dirt on me, is less a worry for someone like me, I am so far below them, I could be dead for a week before they would even bother to update the info they have on me to include that I was dead and no longer want to hear about my cars extended warranty.

    I mean, I get that if I ever rise to power (I am have long since accepted that I will die blue collar, so this will never happen) that they will be able to ensure I play ball with them, on their terms, or they will cut me down. Which, lets be honest, if I ever got to that level of public importance, It would have already been in my best interest to work with them anyway I could, so.. that is more a no-duh thing for some old grayed out buzzard like me.

    It will be far more a problem for the younger people, those getting into the rat race now, those between 18 - 40, who, still have that open world before them, to rise to greatness in their fields, they have the most to lose from all this massive overreach by big tech companies, and other larger industries being able to enforce their cooperate ideologies upon their daily life, and in short controlling every aspect of their life, while only paying them the bare minimum possible for such open door welcoming to impose upon them in such a manner. It's really a shit deal, and why anyone would be like "Fuck Yah, that is the way it should be" is far beyond me.. but here we are, with people actually presenting that kind of mindset. I legit hope they are like old retired Trolls, just looking to screw the next generation like that.

    All that aside, The real issue, to be honest, are the small fries bottom feeders going at each other, and the legions of shallow people looking for the next big something to be angry/offended about, and I get turned down for a job, or let go, because of something I said 20 years ago on my FB page, and just now someone decided to get upset about it.

    If I was ever going to go into the big game, sure I would scrub my accounts for the plebeians, but I would do so, knowing full well that big Tech already has everything I have said and done achieved right down to what porn I watch and the brand of monkey butt powder I use to deal with the rash on my left asscheck, (we have far surpassed the posint of those recording us knowing us better then we know ourselves) and anything that paints me in a bad light or can hurt my reputation, will magically make the rounds if at any point I suddenly opt to not play nice.

    But, the big fish do not worry me, The people that get to me are menial nobody self proclaimed defender of the people looking to make peoples lives miserable, and just dumping shit on anyone that don't like, and sadly some of these life losers, end up in HR, and management positions, and while, I may not ever work with them directly, they can be the people that run personal checks on me, simply because I applied for a job, or happen to be employed by the same company, and they figured they would scour my social media looking for some reason to make my life suck.

    If anyone thinks people are not in fact that petty.. that's so cute.
    Egotism is the anesthetic that dullens the pain of stupidity, this is why when I try to beat my head against the stupidity of other people, I only hurt myself.
  • Slapshot1188Slapshot1188 Member LegendaryPosts: 13,181
    edited April 8
    Iselin said:
    Iselin said:
    Iselin said:

     except apparently when Amazon wants to keep domestic terrorists off Twitch because those there are fighting words!
    I think you know that is a gross oversimplification and that's the kind of bullshit that makes us never able to move forward.  By all means though lets just retreat back to our tribes and keep on the current path.
    Definitely... for emphasis. But I'm not the one cherry picking who to regulate and who to give a free ride to.
    If 2 people look at 3 items.   Both agree on 1 and disagree on the other 2.  Should we move forward with the 1 while discussing differences on the others?  Or should we just sit as we do today and insist that we do nothing unless we do everything we want?

    That's what's wrong with our politics today. Each side (and I'm not a member of EITHER to be clear) wants 100% of their wish list and will try to sabotage the other side even if that means not moving forward with stuff they agree with.  
    The way reasonable people would do it is through compromise. I spent most of my adult life negotiating contracts and negotiations are nothing if not compromise.

    Here's a deal for you: you come out in full support of regulating gambling (i.e. loot boxes) in games and I'll support regulating Amazon... deal?
    I actually support (unswervingly... go look) classifying lootboxes as gambling and restricting sales to minors.  I also believe the odds must be posted.

    So I guess we have a deal...

    edit:  By the way there was no negotiation there. No compromise.  You said you supported both.  In this case I did too...  That’s my point.  We shouldn’t hold something hostage that we both agree on as leverage to get something.  
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  • IselinIselin Member LegendaryPosts: 15,396
    Iselin said:
    Iselin said:
    Iselin said:

     except apparently when Amazon wants to keep domestic terrorists off Twitch because those there are fighting words!
    I think you know that is a gross oversimplification and that's the kind of bullshit that makes us never able to move forward.  By all means though lets just retreat back to our tribes and keep on the current path.
    Definitely... for emphasis. But I'm not the one cherry picking who to regulate and who to give a free ride to.
    If 2 people look at 3 items.   Both agree on 1 and disagree on the other 2.  Should we move forward with the 1 while discussing differences on the others?  Or should we just sit as we do today and insist that we do nothing unless we do everything we want?

    That's what's wrong with our politics today. Each side (and I'm not a member of EITHER to be clear) wants 100% of their wish list and will try to sabotage the other side even if that means not moving forward with stuff they agree with.  
    The way reasonable people would do it is through compromise. I spent most of my adult life negotiating contracts and negotiations are nothing if not compromise.

    Here's a deal for you: you come out in full support of regulating gambling (i.e. loot boxes) in games and I'll support regulating Amazon... deal?
    I actually support (unswervingly... go look) classifying lootboxes as gambling and restricting sales to minors.  I also believe the odds must be posted.

    So I guess we have a deal...
    OK then let's regulate the shit out of lootboxes and Amazon. I feel like having a smoke now :)
    Torval
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  • WhiteLanternWhiteLantern Member RarePosts: 3,177
    Iselin said:
    Iselin said:
    Iselin said:
    Iselin said:

     except apparently when Amazon wants to keep domestic terrorists off Twitch because those there are fighting words!
    I think you know that is a gross oversimplification and that's the kind of bullshit that makes us never able to move forward.  By all means though lets just retreat back to our tribes and keep on the current path.
    Definitely... for emphasis. But I'm not the one cherry picking who to regulate and who to give a free ride to.
    If 2 people look at 3 items.   Both agree on 1 and disagree on the other 2.  Should we move forward with the 1 while discussing differences on the others?  Or should we just sit as we do today and insist that we do nothing unless we do everything we want?

    That's what's wrong with our politics today. Each side (and I'm not a member of EITHER to be clear) wants 100% of their wish list and will try to sabotage the other side even if that means not moving forward with stuff they agree with.  
    The way reasonable people would do it is through compromise. I spent most of my adult life negotiating contracts and negotiations are nothing if not compromise.

    Here's a deal for you: you come out in full support of regulating gambling (i.e. loot boxes) in games and I'll support regulating Amazon... deal?
    I actually support (unswervingly... go look) classifying lootboxes as gambling and restricting sales to minors.  I also believe the odds must be posted.

    So I guess we have a deal...
    OK then let's regulate the shit out of lootboxes and Amazon. I feel like having a smoke now :)
    Tobbaco is taboo. You'll get kicked out of....somewhere for that.
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  • klash2defklash2def Member EpicPosts: 1,810
    edited April 8
    Torval said:

    Lots of underprivileged groups face this hurdle all the time, but this is how business works in the U.S. The only reason this Twitch thing is even a stink is because entitled privileged groups aren't used to facing this sort thing and now it's unfair. It's always been unfair for some. Now it's unfair for all.

    Remember this is because some political group has threatened a removal of protections (it's detailed in the OP article link) for big tech companies. Big tech didn't care until their money was threatened.
    please say it again for the people in the back of the class Professor. please:

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  • SylvinstarSylvinstar Member UncommonPosts: 95
    "Twitch said it will work with "an experienced investigations law firm" to determine the validity of claims, which will rely at times on accessing evidence from law enforcement. The company said it would not take action on a user's account until it concludes its investigation and confirms evidence of wrongdoing."

    Sooo Twitch is finding that they'd like to get even more information about you than they already have. Yep, don't find anything concerning about that at all.
    TwistedSister77BruceYeeGdemami
  • Slapshot1188Slapshot1188 Member LegendaryPosts: 13,181
    "Twitch said it will work with "an experienced investigations law firm" to determine the validity of claims, which will rely at times on accessing evidence from law enforcement. The company said it would not take action on a user's account until it concludes its investigation and confirms evidence of wrongdoing."

    Sooo Twitch is finding that they'd like to get even more information about you than they already have. Yep, don't find anything concerning about that at all.
    But its only for "domestic terrorists" if you aren't a terrorist why would you be concerned?   ;)

    We should ditch the judicial system and let Amazon just determine guilt.  They can save us billions!
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  • IselinIselin Member LegendaryPosts: 15,396

    We should ditch the judicial system and let Amazon just determine guilt.  They can save us billions!
    Obligatory statement about gross oversimplifications.

    Amazon can't send you to jail. They can just deny you service for no shirt and no shoes.
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  • TwistedSister77TwistedSister77 Member RarePosts: 741
    On the animal farm-

    "All animals are equal
    but some animals are more equal than others"

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  • Slapshot1188Slapshot1188 Member LegendaryPosts: 13,181
    Iselin said:

    We should ditch the judicial system and let Amazon just determine guilt.  They can save us billions!
    Obligatory statement about gross oversimplifications.

    Amazon can't send you to jail. They can just deny you service for no shirt and no shoes.
    It was related to the idea that somehow... according to Amazon.. they were going to get access to evidence from law enforcement.  Now.. Amazon has nothing to do with the potential offense.  Why would law enforcement share anything with them? THAT is what I am referring to.
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  • QuizzicalQuizzical Member LegendaryPosts: 23,016
    It's hard to believe that this thread hasn't been locked yet.  It surely does make a difference that the discussion has been civil.  So good job, even if I think you're wrong.
    MendelAlBQuirky
  • MendelMendel Member EpicPosts: 4,384
    Politics.  It makes me rather happy that I wasn't feeling good enough to come downstairs and sit at the computer for 2 days.

    Democrats.  Republicans. I just want to be a Whig, so that when they call me a Whig In Name Only, I can laugh and consider their comment as a suggestion.

    Isn't politics one of the topics not allowed on this forum, or did all the moderators take yesterday off in celebration of Jackie Chan's birthday?



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  • TiamatRoarTiamatRoar Member RarePosts: 1,618
    edited April 8
    Iselin said:
    Iselin said:
    Iselin said:

     except apparently when Amazon wants to keep domestic terrorists off Twitch because those there are fighting words!
    I think you know that is a gross oversimplification and that's the kind of bullshit that makes us never able to move forward.  By all means though lets just retreat back to our tribes and keep on the current path.
    Definitely... for emphasis. But I'm not the one cherry picking who to regulate and who to give a free ride to.
    If 2 people look at 3 items.   Both agree on 1 and disagree on the other 2.  Should we move forward with the 1 while discussing differences on the others?  Or should we just sit as we do today and insist that we do nothing unless we do everything we want?

    That's what's wrong with our politics today. Each side (and I'm not a member of EITHER to be clear) wants 100% of their wish list and will try to sabotage the other side even if that means not moving forward with stuff they agree with.  
    The way reasonable people would do it is through compromise. I spent most of my adult life negotiating contracts and negotiations are nothing if not compromise.

    Here's a deal for you: you come out in full support of regulating gambling (i.e. loot boxes) in games and I'll support regulating Amazon... deal?
    That's actually not compromise.  That's equivalent exchange.

    A compromise would be:

    Person A wants to regulate Amazon 100%

    Person B wants to regulate Amazon 0%

    Person A & B compromise and agree to regulate Amazon 50%



    Unfortunately, it gets a lot more complicated when Persons C, D, E, and Z get involved and one wants to regulate 20% while the other wants to regulate 66% etc etc.  Even worse when you consider that the amount of regulation is not restricted to a singular linear plane and thus one person might want to regulate it 33% at a 50 degree angle while the other wants to regulate it 77% at a 20 degree angle.


    As an aside, I want Amazon AND Loot Boxes to be regulated, anyways.  Although I mean that more about Amazon's corporate policies and monopolization than anything to do with their right to refuse service to whoever they want to as long as it's not a protected case (again, gender, race, etc).

    The moment the government gets the ability to force a business to serve others even if that business doesn't want to is where the real Orwellian crap comes in.  (again, protected cases being the exception).

    And it'd kinda be a moot point if the monopolization got regulated anyways because then it'd be easier to just move to other platforms if they banned you.  That's how capitalism is supposed to work.
    TorvalGdemami
  • TorvalTorval Member LegendaryPosts: 21,129
    Iselin said:
    Iselin said:
    Iselin said:

     except apparently when Amazon wants to keep domestic terrorists off Twitch because those there are fighting words!
    I think you know that is a gross oversimplification and that's the kind of bullshit that makes us never able to move forward.  By all means though lets just retreat back to our tribes and keep on the current path.
    Definitely... for emphasis. But I'm not the one cherry picking who to regulate and who to give a free ride to.
    If 2 people look at 3 items.   Both agree on 1 and disagree on the other 2.  Should we move forward with the 1 while discussing differences on the others?  Or should we just sit as we do today and insist that we do nothing unless we do everything we want?

    That's what's wrong with our politics today. Each side (and I'm not a member of EITHER to be clear) wants 100% of their wish list and will try to sabotage the other side even if that means not moving forward with stuff they agree with.  
    The way reasonable people would do it is through compromise. I spent most of my adult life negotiating contracts and negotiations are nothing if not compromise.

    Here's a deal for you: you come out in full support of regulating gambling (i.e. loot boxes) in games and I'll support regulating Amazon... deal?
    That's actually not compromise.  That's equivalent exchange.

    A compromise would be:

    Person A wants to regulate Amazon 100%

    Person B wants to regulate Amazon 0%

    Person A & B compromise and agree to regulate Amazon 50%



    Unfortunately, it gets a lot more complicated when Persons C, D, E, and Z get involved and one wants to regulate 20% while the other wants to regulate 66% etc etc.  Even worse when you consider that the amount of regulation is not restricted to a singular linear plane and thus one person might want to regulate it 33% at a 50 degree angle while the other wants to regulate it 77% at a 20 degree angle.


    As an aside, I want Amazon AND Loot Boxes to be regulated, anyways.  Although I mean that more about Amazon's corporate policies and monopolization than anything to do with their right to refuse service to whoever they want to as long as it's not a protected case (again, gender, race, etc).

    The moment the government gets the ability to force a business to serve others even if that business doesn't want to is where the real Orwellian crap comes in.  (again, protected cases being the exception).

    Hahaha, I was thinking about this when I read those posts. I thought, what about me who wants all business regulated from big corps (not just big tech, Amazon, or FAANG) down to the "mom and pop" corner store. I live in rural Oregon and it's much easier for me to switch e-tailers that piss me off than it is to deal with the whims of local small businesses that seemingly fly way under the legal radar.
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  • IselinIselin Member LegendaryPosts: 15,396
    Torval said:
     I live in rural Oregon and it's much easier for me to switch e-tailers that piss me off than it is to deal with the whims of local small businesses that seemingly fly way under the legal radar.
    You now that "no shirt..." bit I've brought up several times in this thread? That wasn't just restaurants in small beach resorts that had those signs in the late '60s and early '70s.

    It was also small hardware and general good stores in many inland small towns that put those up to keep hippies out. Bunch of Merle Haggard Okie From Muskogee fans, the lot of them.

    :)
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  • UngoodUngood Member LegendaryPosts: 5,563
    Mendel said:
    Politics.  It makes me rather happy that I wasn't feeling good enough to come downstairs and sit at the computer for 2 days.

    Democrats.  Republicans. I just want to be a Whig, so that when they call me a Whig In Name Only, I can laugh and consider their comment as a suggestion.

    Isn't politics one of the topics not allowed on this forum, or did all the moderators take yesterday off in celebration of Jackie Chan's birthday?



    The only person being actually political here, is mainly you. The rest of us are in fact talking about the ramifications of this kind of overreach.

    Unless you are the kind of person that likes the idea that if you rip a fart in the grocery store, someone calls your job and you can get fired for that, because "rippling farts in the grocery store sets a bad example for the company"

    Think that is a joke?

    How about if you did something totally legal?

    Or lets say.. you make a post about your second job and your other employer simply does not like it.

    This is not politics, this is your future Employment, or.. in some cases, lack thereof.

    I mean, really, people have been fired for all kinds of stupid social media reasons, like having fun at work for example, or better yet, imagine if you made a single mistake, 40+ years ago, and suddenly were banned from all platforms, because you were a convicted criminal.

    I wish I was joking about the insanity of this kind of thing, and how it boggles my mind that anyone would actually want or support this, this, But some people.. Obviously do, and think this is the right and correct way things should be.\

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  • Slapshot1188Slapshot1188 Member LegendaryPosts: 13,181
    Torval said:

    Hahaha, I was thinking about this when I read those posts. I thought, what about me who wants all business regulated from big corps (not just big tech, Amazon, or FAANG) down to the "mom and pop" corner store. I live in rural Oregon and it's much easier for me to switch e-tailers that piss me off than it is to deal with the whims of local small businesses that seemingly fly way under the legal radar.
    So if you agree about Amazon why not start there while we talk about the rest?

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  • TorvalTorval Member LegendaryPosts: 21,129
    Torval said:

    Hahaha, I was thinking about this when I read those posts. I thought, what about me who wants all business regulated from big corps (not just big tech, Amazon, or FAANG) down to the "mom and pop" corner store. I live in rural Oregon and it's much easier for me to switch e-tailers that piss me off than it is to deal with the whims of local small businesses that seemingly fly way under the legal radar.
    So if you agree about Amazon why not start there while we talk about the rest?


    No thanks. That doesn't work for me. Let's start with everyone at once. There is no reason not to.
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