Sounds like the cheat programs targeted whales. After all, there are people willing to spend $200 per month on games for huge advantages in "pay to win" games.
When people talk with me about cheaters, this is the reality. People are paying to cheat at a game, so, anything a game company does to humiliate them, purge them, and embarrass them, I support.
Egotism is the anesthetic that dullens the pain of stupidity, this is why when I try to beat my head against the stupidity of other people, I only hurt myself.
"Social media gives legions of idiots the right to speak when they once only spoke at a bar after a glass of wine, without harming the community ... but now they have the same right to speak as a Nobel Prize winner. It's the invasion of the idiots”
― Umberto Eco
“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?” ― CD PROJEKT RED
When people talk with me about cheaters, this is the reality. People are paying to cheat at a game, so, anything a game company does to humiliate them, purge them, and embarrass them, I support.
How far away is that from paying to advance faster or just buy a leveled up character directly from the cash shop, paying so your crafting attempts have a better chance or all the hundreds of other small and large advantages you can purchase?
It wasn't that long ago that you went to 3rd party gold sellers to buy fully leveled characters or buy gold and that also was considered cheating. But now that WOW and others sell high level characters and sub tokens you can sell in game for gold is that no longer cheating and those players shouldn't be branded? Seems inconsistent unless you also show the same level of disgust for what is now called "whales."
This has a lot more to do with not letting 3rd parties make a profit from your IP than any feelings they may have about preserving the integrity of their games. It's just better PR when you can spin it to be all about game integrity.
You may give a shit about the integrity of the game you play but I'm not so sure Tencent does any more than doing just enough sell their game as having integrity.
"Social media gives legions of idiots the right to speak when they once only spoke at a bar after a glass of wine, without harming the community ... but now they have the same right to speak as a Nobel Prize winner. It's the invasion of the idiots”
― Umberto Eco
“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?” ― CD PROJEKT RED
When people talk with me about cheaters, this is the reality. People are paying to cheat at a game, so, anything a game company does to humiliate them, purge them, and embarrass them, I support.
How far away is that from paying to advance faster or just buy a leveled up character directly from the cash shop, paying so your crafting attempts have a better chance or all the hundreds of other small and large advantages you can purchase?
It wasn't that long ago that you went to 3rd party gold sellers to buy fully leveled characters or buy gold and that also was considered cheating. But now that WOW and others sell high level characters and sub tokens you can sell in game for gold is that no longer cheating and those players shouldn't be branded? Seems inconsistent unless you also show the same level of disgust for what is now called "whales."
This has a lot more to do with not letting 3rd parties make a profit from your IP than any feelings they may have about preserving the integrity of their games. It's just better PR when you can spin it to be all about game integrity.
You may give a shit about the integrity of the game you play but I'm not so sure Tencent does any more than doing just enough sell their game as having integrity.
Yah.
It is all about supporting the game. Absolutely, 100%.
And I support that, 100%. Screw anyone that is going to pay some 3rd party hackers to beat a game they often refuse to spend money on. Screw that whole system.
In case you were wondering where I stand on that one.
The core point is:
Bypassing what the Developers set .. is cheating.
Playing by what the Developers Set.. is not.
Case in point, using 3rd party services to get levels and gold in a manner that is not the way the Developers designed the game to be played, is cheating. Buying or using services provided directly by the Developer is Not.
Lets use an Example:
Some cheaters go to a 3rd party site to get an Aim Bot, basically turning a Action Combat game into a tab target game. This is pure and simple cheating. We all get this.. flat out bare faced cheating.
At the same time:
If the Developer opted to put in Tab Targeting, or Assisted Targeting into their game, this is not cheating, it is how the game is made.
It's that simple.
If you do not like the game the developer made, you have many options to play other games made in a way you like.
What makes no sense at all, is playing a game that you do not like the existing mechanics, and then spending money at 3rd party services to bypass playing the game as the developers intended. That is just beyond moronic at it's core.
As such, anything a Developer does, to expose the stupidity of doing something like that, I fully support.
Even if that means, they say something like "Fuck it, we got blokes blowing 200 a month just to cheat our game, the assholes, so fuck it mate, we are selling Aim Bots for 50 bucks a Pop"
Egotism is the anesthetic that dullens the pain of stupidity, this is why when I try to beat my head against the stupidity of other people, I only hurt myself.
As such, anything a Developer does, to expose the stupidity of doing something like that, I fully support.
Even if that means, they say something like "Fuck it, we got blokes blowing 200 a month just to cheat our game, the assholes, so fuck it mate, we are selling Aim Bots for 50 bucks a Pop"
Yeah well my feelings about paying to get an advantage are not as flexible as yours. I don't really give a shit if he buys the aimbot from a 3rd party or the developer, he's a fucking cheating scum in either case.
"Social media gives legions of idiots the right to speak when they once only spoke at a bar after a glass of wine, without harming the community ... but now they have the same right to speak as a Nobel Prize winner. It's the invasion of the idiots”
― Umberto Eco
“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?” ― CD PROJEKT RED
As such, anything a Developer does, to expose the stupidity of doing something like that, I fully support.
Even if that means, they say something like "Fuck it, we got blokes blowing 200 a month just to cheat our game, the assholes, so fuck it mate, we are selling Aim Bots for 50 bucks a Pop"
Yeah well my feelings about paying to get an advantage are not as flexible as yours. I don't really give a shit if he buys the aimbot from a 3rd party or the developer, he's a fucking cheating scum in either case.
Now see that is where we diverge.
If they get it from a 3rd party.. it's Cheating.
If they get it from the Developer... It's P2W.
Now you may not like either, but I hate Cheaters far more than I hate P2W, as I am of the belief that all P2W has derived from 3rd party cheaters. If people were not willing to spend money to cheat a game just to win, there would be no P2W, as such I will always have zero sympathy for anything that a Developer does to humiliate these cheaters, to drive them away from their game.
Egotism is the anesthetic that dullens the pain of stupidity, this is why when I try to beat my head against the stupidity of other people, I only hurt myself.
...I am of the belief that all P2W has derived from 3rd party cheaters. If people were not willing to spend money to cheat a game just to win, there would be no P2W...
You're right about that.
"Social media gives legions of idiots the right to speak when they once only spoke at a bar after a glass of wine, without harming the community ... but now they have the same right to speak as a Nobel Prize winner. It's the invasion of the idiots”
― Umberto Eco
“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?” ― CD PROJEKT RED
When people talk with me about cheaters, this is the reality. People are paying to cheat at a game, so, anything a game company does to humiliate them, purge them, and embarrass them, I support.
How far away is that from paying to advance faster or just buy a leveled up character directly from the cash shop, paying so your crafting attempts have a better chance or all the hundreds of other small and large advantages you can purchase?
It wasn't that long ago that you went to 3rd party gold sellers to buy fully leveled characters or buy gold and that also was considered cheating. But now that WOW and others sell high level characters and sub tokens you can sell in game for gold is that no longer cheating and those players shouldn't be branded? Seems inconsistent unless you also show the same level of disgust for what is now called "whales."
This has a lot more to do with not letting 3rd parties make a profit from your IP than any feelings they may have about preserving the integrity of their games. It's just better PR when you can spin it to be all about game integrity.
You may give a shit about the integrity of the game you play but I'm not so sure Tencent does any more than doing just enough sell their game as having integrity.
Yah.
It is all about supporting the game. Absolutely, 100%.
And I support that, 100%. Screw anyone that is going to pay some 3rd party hackers to beat a game they often refuse to spend money on. Screw that whole system.
In case you were wondering where I stand on that one.
The core point is:
Bypassing what the Developers set .. is cheating.
Playing by what the Developers Set.. is not.
Sometimes even by playing what the devs set is cheating. For example if casino owner rigs the roulette table it's cheating.
Usually the line is drawn so that bypassing what the devs set is cheating while using what the devs set is not. But it's still a question of where we draw the line.
What bothers me the most is that the cheating is so rampant (and thus lucrative) its really sad to see that the world no longer has any moral fibre or honor left. Any means necessary is what many seem to live by.
What bothers me the most is that the cheating is so rampant (and thus lucrative) its really sad to see that the world no longer has any moral fibre or honor left. Any means necessary is what many seem to live by.
Lack or moral fiber is this.
Paying 200 a month to cheat a game that you are complain about paying 15 a month to play.
That's some bullshit right there.
Egotism is the anesthetic that dullens the pain of stupidity, this is why when I try to beat my head against the stupidity of other people, I only hurt myself.
What bothers me the most is that the cheating is so rampant (and thus lucrative) its really sad to see that the world no longer has any moral fibre or honor left. Any means necessary is what many seem to live by.
Lack or moral fiber is this.
Paying 200 a month to cheat a game that you are complain about paying 15 a month to play.
That's some bullshit right there.
Add onto that complaining, "It's too easy!"
Well, duh... You just paid for advantages...
- Al
Personally the only modern MMORPG trend that annoys me is the idea that MMOs need to be designed in a way to attract people who don't actually like MMOs. Which to me makes about as much sense as someone trying to figure out a way to get vegetarians to eat at their steakhouse. - FARGIN_WAR
What bothers me the most is that the cheating is so rampant (and thus lucrative) its really sad to see that the world no longer has any moral fibre or honor left. Any means necessary is what many seem to live by.
Lack or moral fiber is this.
Paying 200 a month to cheat a game that you are complain about paying 15 a month to play.
That's some bullshit right there.
Add onto that complaining, "It's too easy!"
Well, duh... You just paid for advantages...
and don't forget to scream L2P at people, when all you really did was Learn2Pay
Egotism is the anesthetic that dullens the pain of stupidity, this is why when I try to beat my head against the stupidity of other people, I only hurt myself.
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Consider mmorpg isn't as popular as shooters... probably only games like wow would have subscription cheats like that.
(Good book, BTW)
“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?”
― CD PROJEKT RED
It wasn't that long ago that you went to 3rd party gold sellers to buy fully leveled characters or buy gold and that also was considered cheating. But now that WOW and others sell high level characters and sub tokens you can sell in game for gold is that no longer cheating and those players shouldn't be branded? Seems inconsistent unless you also show the same level of disgust for what is now called "whales."
This has a lot more to do with not letting 3rd parties make a profit from your IP than any feelings they may have about preserving the integrity of their games. It's just better PR when you can spin it to be all about game integrity.
You may give a shit about the integrity of the game you play but I'm not so sure Tencent does any more than doing just enough sell their game as having integrity.
“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?”
― CD PROJEKT RED
It is all about supporting the game. Absolutely, 100%.
And I support that, 100%. Screw anyone that is going to pay some 3rd party hackers to beat a game they often refuse to spend money on. Screw that whole system.
In case you were wondering where I stand on that one.
The core point is:
Playing by what the Developers Set.. is not.
Case in point, using 3rd party services to get levels and gold in a manner that is not the way the Developers designed the game to be played, is cheating. Buying or using services provided directly by the Developer is Not.
Lets use an Example:
Some cheaters go to a 3rd party site to get an Aim Bot, basically turning a Action Combat game into a tab target game. This is pure and simple cheating. We all get this.. flat out bare faced cheating.
At the same time:
If the Developer opted to put in Tab Targeting, or Assisted Targeting into their game, this is not cheating, it is how the game is made.
It's that simple.
If you do not like the game the developer made, you have many options to play other games made in a way you like.
What makes no sense at all, is playing a game that you do not like the existing mechanics, and then spending money at 3rd party services to bypass playing the game as the developers intended. That is just beyond moronic at it's core.
As such, anything a Developer does, to expose the stupidity of doing something like that, I fully support.
Even if that means, they say something like "Fuck it, we got blokes blowing 200 a month just to cheat our game, the assholes, so fuck it mate, we are selling Aim Bots for 50 bucks a Pop"
“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?”
― CD PROJEKT RED
If they get it from a 3rd party.. it's Cheating.
If they get it from the Developer... It's P2W.
Now you may not like either, but I hate Cheaters far more than I hate P2W, as I am of the belief that all P2W has derived from 3rd party cheaters. If people were not willing to spend money to cheat a game just to win, there would be no P2W, as such I will always have zero sympathy for anything that a Developer does to humiliate these cheaters, to drive them away from their game.
“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?”
― CD PROJEKT RED
Usually the line is drawn so that bypassing what the devs set is cheating while using what the devs set is not. But it's still a question of where we draw the line.
Paying 200 a month to cheat a game that you are complain about paying 15 a month to play.
That's some bullshit right there.
- Al
Personally the only modern MMORPG trend that annoys me is the idea that MMOs need to be designed in a way to attract people who don't actually like MMOs. Which to me makes about as much sense as someone trying to figure out a way to get vegetarians to eat at their steakhouse.- FARGIN_WAR