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What other mmos besides Regnum lets me kill same-level enemies in 3 or less blows?
ringdany
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I was watching some new fanmade videos of barbarian gameplay in Champions of Regnum: 
Barbarians there, with readily available equipment, can seemingly kill enemies in 3 or less blows.
Any other mmos regularly allow this?
Barbarians there, with readily available equipment, can seemingly kill enemies in 3 or less blows.Any other mmos regularly allow this?
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Or at least it used to be. Since the big price increase, it's now mostly about picking an archetype that forces a cookie-cutter build on you and then looping alerts endlessly. They didn't officially pull the plug on the original game, but they made it so expensive to play that basically no one does anymore.
Ya i think this kind of ability against other human players, can be fun.
Overall crap balance in the game.
Is it fun.. not really. It leads to meta's and cookie cutter builds and playstyles, with everyone crying about how their OP munchkin class is not an OP AF munchkin class.
If a Thief gets the jump on you, you should be able to invest into enough Armor to stop their blows, if you played something like a Fighter or a Paladin, because that is what balance is about, to have counters to what others night do, so that one trick ponies, like some munchkin asshat thief jumping out the shadows expecting that to win every fight, can't exist.
If they can vanish and hide in combat, there should be a way to expose them like Glitterdust.
Again, if you played a paladin and were facing a wizard, you could get a ring of spell deflection, or a wand of anti-magic aura, that allows you close the gap between yourself and the wizard, allowing you to get close enough to hit them with your sword.
The Wizard should also be able to cast spells like Stoneskin, and Tenser's Transformation, to make your blows ineffective against them, while they draw out a claymore and repay you with some heavy blows of their own.
That is assuming they prepped those spells, and weren't some one trick pony build like the shadow thief, and depended on Finger of Death to kill everything and was otherwise totally hapless.
That is what balance is about, it's about having counters to what others might bring to the table, so that one trick pony builds, and myopic playstyles don't exist.
But given what you said, that idea of balance is lost on you, and obviously, since that is your idea of balance, no doubt you play crap games that have that as their system.
Not sure what is worse, that gamers think that is what balance is, or that some devs think that is what balance is.
On top of that, DDO has one of the most diverse character builders, allowing you to combine 3 class, with 3 or more trait lines, as well as racial trait lines, and general trait lines, mixed with various weapons, armor, and gear.
But lets be real, it was only due to WoW's Alliance vs Horde gameplay that RvR exists at all.
Noone looks for a balanced fight in Eve ... Noone ...
I am also glad a game like EvE exists where it sucks those players in and provides them that very special niche' to exist in so they do not move off to other games, and bring their toxic sludge with them.
But, lets me honest, none of the games you listed were super stars, and barely even what would pass as popular for an MMO or a PvP games.
And, the main reason is, the balance sucks in them, it's like asking how stupid a Dev needs to be to make some under powered sack of a shit as a class compared to other classes.
Why even bother wasting the dev time making that?
Can you imagine paying someone to design a build that you know is not competitive?
Like, how stupid can you be just to make something like that to start with, like sitting at the table and saying "Ok guys, lets waste time and money making things that suck in contrast to our other lineup" and worse yet, have someone sign off wasting the money and time on making shit like that.
The only reason to green light something like that, is to make that the free class or in gacha games where you insert tons of shit to force players to keep buying more RNG to get to the good stuff, so everyone needs to buy the better class, which gives rise to the wonderful thing everyone loves, which is Pay to Win..
I mean really, what kind of moron would play sub-optimal crap in a PvP game? Like.. WTF Dude, you like to lose to people with half your skill? LOL.. I mean really, a lot of gamers won't play sub-optimal crap in a PvE game, which is why we have meta's and DSP meters, Who in their right mind would play Sub-crap in a PvP one.
Hard reality check, UO, was a Mud made in iso format, with all the negs included, and damn near almost ended MMO's before they even began with how bad it went over with the community, and it was only thanks to the PvE of EQ that launched MMO's in the West above becoming nothing more than some ultra niche' genre played by basement dwelling nerds.
But you are right, we have had enough of these discussion, however the end result is, with the rise of WoW, gamers have changed, with MMO's becoming mainstream, and 3rd party software becoming the norm, archaic ideas of the past like sub-optimal classes and shit balance reminisce of old school D&D which gave geeks and nerds that were raised on those games some fan service are dinosaurs that are swiftly going extinct in todays market.
This is why all those devs that thought DAOC did it right, are now endlessly patching, re-balancing, and overhauling their clusterfuck of systems to try and make things more balanced, and eliminate the stupidity of putting in sub-optimal crap into their game to start with, and players think they are all morons with their heads up their ass for doing so at the start, and keep in mind, these are the same quality of Dev's that tried to make New World an Open World PvP game, and didn't dawn on them that ganking was gonna be a thing.
Yah CF is unbalanced, and no doubt that will see it die swift and fast after launch, right now, I have heard they have done a lot to fix things, to make things more fair, but we shall see on that one. I am not hopeful, and I am a backer.
As far as CU goes... we shall see on that way. I personally think it will be another "good old days" flash in the pan kind of deal, if it ever launches, and as opposed to revitalizing the game style of yesteryear, as many think it will as they gaze fondly through rose colored glasses, it will become a quick and swift reminder of why DAOC never became a contender against EQ when they were in their prime.
But, at the end of the day, poor balance is a game killer for a PvP game, the modern times are here, and no one wants to run less than meta.
You can see this first hand in GW2, which had to make a division on abilities and how they function in PvP and PvE, which really, these are not the people to put on a pedestal on good WvW/PvP design, given they are always changing it, anyway, when the meta changes, so does the vast population on the WvW maps, like a wave, if the buff a class, everyone is running that class, within a day, a meta is mathed out, and that becomes the new standard for that class that is now demanded and required in WvW, if they nerf a class, it dies on the maps, WvW guilds no longer have them among their ranks, and in some cases commanders won't even accept them in their squad.
The era of people being encouraged and accepted for playing sub-optimal piece of shit classes and builds is long dead.
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And classless games are Notoriously difficult to balance ... sooo
I mean get that games like UO are now flying under the radar, and relics of a past era of games, so it might not be as affected by the new wave of gamers as more modern games, and truth be told, DDO was like for that a while as well.
But when it went F2P, it got an huge influx of new players, and suddenly the game got mathed down to optimal DPS builds, Optimal Tank Builds, etc. The Key roles were sorted out in short order.
So if you wanted to play a role in end game content, you had to build your character a specific way to be optimal, or don't bother. At best you can go run the lesser content where there is more room for sub-optimal, but if you wanted to play with the elite and end game, there was no room for sub-par.
Just how things evolved when the game got popular for a while.
Again, It's not about your pet MMO, or whatever, it's not personal, the way people approach and play MMO's/games these days has changed... With the rise of E-Sports and Streamers and MMO/games being mainstream, it's a whole new generation of gamers and their motives reflect this.
When it comes to modern games, and especially games that are competitive like PvP/RvR, If the choices offered are not equally viable, all the Sub-optimal choices might as well not exist. Modern players are just going to go 3rd party sites, look up the meta builds, and roll that, with everything else just being a waste of dev time.
Again, It's not you.. it's not your favorite game.. it's the way the platform evolved.
Unbalanced Shit, Sub-Optimal Builds, and the illusion of choices that in reality only leads to inferior builds are the marks of bygone days and bygone games, and they simply do not hold up in the modern market with the current generation of gamers.
The rvr games he calls shit are the only ones that I like, and most of the ones he claims set the bar are either out of business or were shit in the first place.