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Pay to Play Linked to Gambling

MagiknightMagiknight Member CommonPosts: 782

 

Smart man.

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  • Callidor80Callidor80 Member, Newbie CommonPosts: 21

    Lol if you consider p2p gambling then perhaps you should close yourself off from reality so it doesnt  'harm" you. It is no more gambling than buying a car is gambling. When you buy it, what you see is what you get, but you may also spend a vast amount more on it to make it exactly what you want.

    This is a theory spouted by a weak minded, out of touch fool that obvious is just hoping for some click bait.

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  • FlyByKnightFlyByKnight Member EpicPosts: 3,967
    What about "F2P" games that have RNG boxes? Isn't that a form of unregulated gambling? 
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  • hallucigenocidehallucigenocide Member RarePosts: 1,015
    Originally posted by FlyByKnight
    What about "F2P" games that have RNG boxes? Isn't that a form of unregulated gambling? 

    they are often called gambling boxes.. never heard anyone talk about pay to play in the same way though

    Asm0deus

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  • GruntyGrunty Member EpicPosts: 8,657

    The premise of the audio only 'video' is as follows.

     

    Konami makes game applications, slot machines and some other stuff.

    Konami intends to focus much of their future game development on mobile platforms.

    Konami will fund and profit from that development by using a pay to play model.

    Konami's pay to play model will focus on gating content behind pay to play walls instead of purchasing virtual items.

    Casinos not owned by Konami include some slot machines manufactured by Konami.

    Konami's ultimate goal is to get all of the people who purchase their mobile pay to play games to get off their collective asses and drive to remote non-Konami owned casinos in order to gamble only on slot machines made by Konami.

    KyleranUngoodAsm0deus
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  • MissAdventureMissAdventure Member UncommonPosts: 83
    Originally posted by Magiknight

     

    Smart man.

    No, he's not.  He's an internet blogger who thinks he knows what he's talking about.  Pay to play does not follow the gambling model.  He's drawing connections between two entirely separate concepts and trying to fabricate a conspiracy theory around Konami to make himself look like a genius to his online followers.

     

    He's a moron.

     

     

    KyleranUngoodAsm0deus
  • fineflufffinefluff Member RarePosts: 561
    Originally posted by DMKano
    Originally posted by FlyByKnight
    What about "F2P" games that have RNG boxes? Isn't that a form of unregulated gambling? 

    No.

    Because winning does not result in getting a money payout.

     

    That is a *key* differentiator - real gambling means that an establishment must provide a money payout for winners.

     

    Otherwise playing poker with your friends for some made up points would be unregulated gambling.

    As long as video game RNG boxes DO NOT give a possibility of cash prizes that would be deposited into your bank account - its not gambling.

    You are just paying for a chance of winning virtual goods - aka entertainment.

     

    Maybe right now by law it is not considered gambling but it is the same mechanism that happens in your brain. Doesn't matter if the reward you crave is virtual or real. You go through the same thought process.

    Regarding the topic, I didn't get how this is related to pay to play model for MMOs. In the video he says "pay as you play" which is different.

  • rojoArcueidrojoArcueid Member EpicPosts: 10,722

    Paying bills is also linked to gambling....

    Oh wait.

     

    Gambling is paying for lockboxes that never give you what you want. A real waste of money if you ask me.

     

    EDIT: and Fck Konami. They dont make video games anymore. They are stinky turds. Im glad Kojima and Igarashi are not part of them anymore.





  • NightliteNightlite Member UncommonPosts: 227

    Real money for an RNG payoff? ofc it is gambling...

     

    But that isn't how all PTW games work, with set amounts you can guarantee your prize. Still, I suspect some people go way beyond their means to achieve certain prizes. The result is the same then.

  • PemminPemmin Member UncommonPosts: 623
    Originally posted by FlyByKnight
    What about "F2P" games that have RNG boxes? Isn't that a form of unregulated gambling? 

    2 different concepts.

    -RNG boxes are a form of gambling, but they don't have to be p2w items as prizes. you could theoretically have rng boxes that give out cosmetics only and could still be considered gambling. An example would be PoE's Saint Patrick's day green mystery box that gave out random green cosmetics...but most of the time you got frog pets.

    -p2w is actually the opposite of gambling. its in essence paying money to reduce/remove RNG to the point that you have an absolute advantage. it would be like playing poker with $50,000 against an opponent with $500 and neither player being aloud to leave until someone goes bust.....statistics say person A would win.

  • LoktofeitLoktofeit Member RarePosts: 14,247
     

     

    Hi, Magi! I remember you!

    How are those gambling ads coming along? 

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  • thinktank001thinktank001 Member UncommonPosts: 2,144
    Originally posted by DMKano
    Originally posted by FlyByKnight
    What about "F2P" games that have RNG boxes? Isn't that a form of unregulated gambling? 

    No.

    Because winning does not result in getting a money payout.

     

    That is a *key* differentiator - real gambling means that an establishment must provide a money payout for winners.

     

    Otherwise playing poker with your friends for some made up points would be unregulated gambling.

    As long as video game RNG boxes DO NOT give a possibility of cash prizes that would be deposited into your bank account - its not gambling.

    You are just paying for a chance of winning virtual goods - aka entertainment.

     

     

    RNG boxes work exactly like a casino's slot machines.  Player adds money, plays the RNG game, and the outcome is either an increase/decrease in credits.   The only difference is a Casino has a " cash out " option.  

     

    IMHO, I don't see how there can be any less people that gamble for entertainment as there is that open RNG boxes.

  • zaberfangxzaberfangx Member UncommonPosts: 1,796
    Originally posted by thinktank001
    Originally posted by DMKano
    Originally posted by FlyByKnight
    What about "F2P" games that have RNG boxes? Isn't that a form of unregulated gambling? 

    No.

    Because winning does not result in getting a money payout.

     

    That is a *key* differentiator - real gambling means that an establishment must provide a money payout for winners.

     

    Otherwise playing poker with your friends for some made up points would be unregulated gambling.

    As long as video game RNG boxes DO NOT give a possibility of cash prizes that would be deposited into your bank account - its not gambling.

    You are just paying for a chance of winning virtual goods - aka entertainment.

     

     

    RNG boxes work exactly like a casino's slot machines.  Player adds money, plays the RNG game, and the outcome is either an increase/decrease in credits.   The only difference is a Casino has a " cash out " option.  

     

    IMHO, I don't see how there can be any less people that gamble for entertainment as there is that open RNG boxes.

    RNG boxes are like casino slot machines but there same mechanics as in game RNG system like boss drop, or dungeon drops, is why people keep doing a dungeon over and over or raid over and over when that chance something will drop is 1% even if the replay value pretty much dead after 20 hours doing same thing, but people get use to a RNG system, and enjoy it even if it cost them there job or money, just one big addiction. Just seem more entertainment for people spend trying there luck with a bad system should not be in any game, not the way it set up now, to keep people in the game longer, when there other ways.

  • AkulasAkulas Member RarePosts: 3,006
    You can sell the virtual goods for real money and more money than what you spent on the RNG boxes.

    This isn't a signature, you just think it is.

  • orionblackorionblack Member UncommonPosts: 493
    Originally posted by DMKano
    Originally posted by FlyByKnight
    What about "F2P" games that have RNG boxes? Isn't that a form of unregulated gambling? 

    No.

    Because winning does not result in getting a money payout.

     

    That is a *key* differentiator - real gambling means that an establishment must provide a money payout for winners.

     

    Otherwise playing poker with your friends for some made up points would be unregulated gambling.

    As long as video game RNG boxes DO NOT give a possibility of cash prizes that would be deposited into your bank account - its not gambling.

    You are just paying for a chance of winning virtual goods - aka entertainment.

     

    ....Tell that to the RMT'ers...As long as things won in RGN are not bound to whoever won it,you can trade for money....so..yeah.......

  • alkarionlogalkarionlog Member EpicPosts: 3,584
    DMKano said:
    Originally posted by FlyByKnight
    What about "F2P" games that have RNG boxes? Isn't that a form of unregulated gambling? 

    No.

    Because winning does not result in getting a money payout.

     

    That is a *key* differentiator - real gambling means that an establishment must provide a money payout for winners.

     

    Otherwise playing poker with your friends for some made up points would be unregulated gambling.

    As long as video game RNG boxes DO NOT give a possibility of cash prizes that would be deposited into your bank account - its not gambling.

    You are just paying for a chance of winning virtual goods - aka entertainment.

     


    kinda not true, if teh content of said boxes can be sold for gold or for money to 3rd parties, don't matter if the dev support this or not, both devs and players know there is a market and there is a value for said items, said can be said about skins in games like CS go who you can sell the skins in these random boxes.

    also take note as long you spend REAL money to buy a box/gacha ticket and teh content is random generated, is gambling, because most content is not what you want or expect, normally people are doing this for the top tier normally lower then 1% chance to come.

    now if the boxes was part of a prize who you need to get inside the game without having to open your wallet then that is not gambling, even if you are gambling for the results
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  • QuizzicalQuizzical Member LegendaryPosts: 25,348
    This thread died in 2015.  But Konami is heavily into gambling.  They make slot machines for casinos, among other things.
  • MatthewBadhamMatthewBadham Newbie CommonPosts: 4
    very interesting
  • ScotScot Member LegendaryPosts: 22,952
    It is a scary world when adbots start to find our posts interesting. :)
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  • laurettaleskilaurettaleski Newbie CommonPosts: 4
    :smiley: I agree with you.
  • ElizabethSElizabethS Newbie CommonPosts: 4
    Now virtual goods are more expensive than real good and you don't need to 100 people who can make it. You need only your hands, mind, a computer, Internet and that it is all.
    Gdemami
  • laurettaleskilaurettaleski Newbie CommonPosts: 4
    Yeah, you are right!

    I have a friend which does virtual goods and he makes good money
  • ElizabethSElizabethS Newbie CommonPosts: 4
    There are different ways how to make money online. Just need to find your niche and that it is all
  • laurettaleskilaurettaleski Newbie CommonPosts: 4
    Examples?
  • ElizabethSElizabethS Newbie CommonPosts: 4
    Avatars for games
    Power for these avatars
    Design for these avatars
    Digital pictures
    Sell services
    web design
    Exchange bitcoin
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