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Intel launches a discrete GPU

QuizzicalQuizzical Member LegendaryPosts: 23,898

Basically, they took the integrated GPU in Tiger Lake, made a separate, smaller chip without the CPU, and called it a discrete GPU.  Intel is pitching this as a competitor to Nvidia's MX350, which is basically a laptop version of a desktop GeForce GTX 1050.  And yes, that means it's a laptop part.  You can't get it in a desktop, but that's okay because you wouldn't want to, anyway.

Intel is claiming that they will launch a higher end GPU for desktops later.  This isn't it.  But it is their first discrete GPU launch since 1998, so it's progress of sorts.  Maybe.


  • QuizzicalQuizzical Member LegendaryPosts: 23,898
    xD_Gaming said:
    Raj imho is not going to take Intel to the next level. As you've seen AMd increase it's gpu 10 fold after he left.

    Also by the specs, this looks to be not even for a laptop but for hand  held mobile devices, a sector yet to be completely claimed by any chipmaker. 
    No.  You don't put a discrete GPU in mobile devices.  If you want a more powerful GPU, you scale up the integrated one to whatever you need.
  • QuizzicalQuizzical Member LegendaryPosts: 23,898
    xD_Gaming said:
    could be, but where does that fit in with intels new cpu stacking technology. Also the node size , which still seems to be stuck at 10 nm. 
    This isn't a Foveros part.  You can't just take random dies, stack them on top of each other, and expect it to work.  Every die has to be designed to be stacked with the other dies, and they all have to agree on exactly where the TSVs or whatever you're using should go.
  • CleffyCleffy Member RarePosts: 6,373
    edited November 2020
    Technology achievements are usually not determined by the management, but the organization. There are ways that management can improve the results, but all the work is done by the engineers which Intel has. The limiting factor for Intel are technology agreements and patents. The basics to get a fast GPU are there, but will AMD and nVidia let you use their patents?
    What AMD did with GCN and to an extent VLIW was have a common architecture for both consumers and professionals that improved with iterations. RDNA may be a departure from this to a more consumer focused architecture. 
  • RidelynnRidelynn Member EpicPosts: 7,299
    edited November 2020
    Cleffy said:
    Technology achievements are usually not determined by the management, but the organization. 
    This is true on the surface... but... the achievements are usually done by the R&D team - the engineers that put in the inspiration and work to take something from an idea, to design, through mass production. I'm not saying your wrong by saying "organization" though, bear with me a sec.

    But they can't do it alone. They need support - and that is exactly where management comes in.

    If you mismanage the organization, the ship sinks. If marketing can't sell the product. If exces don't get engineering the pay and benefits to stick around. If HR allows a toxic workplace to exist. If the janitors don't take out the trash... 

    Like you said, it does take an entire organization to make it all work.

    And Intel has had a pretty famously bad management team as of late.

    This particular product is to serve the ultralight and ultrathin laptop market that also requires discrete GPU level power. I have no idea who that would be... but I guess their prayers have now been answered. I'm wondering how close the R4000 APUs from AMD come to this (which are still Vega architecture based) - those were already pretty darn close to MX350 level performance.

    And the 5000 series APUs are around the corner, with all new RDNA2 graphics cores in the IGP. 
  • QuizzicalQuizzical Member LegendaryPosts: 23,898
    edited November 2020
    Apparently now Intel has said that there will be a desktop version of the same card, but it will be OEM-only.  It's coming next year.
  • TorvalTorval Member LegendaryPosts: 21,719
    Quizzical said:
    Apparently now Intel has said that there will be a desktop version of the same card, but it will be OEM-only.  It's coming next year.

    It's the only way they could sell it. I suppose they could still redeem themselves with a decent discrete card, but for now the stumbling and bumbling continues.

    Duopolies are troublesome because when one party or vendor stumbles it provides little incentive for the other competitor. The device market is more complex now than just desktops and laptops, but it still doesn't bode well that Intel is fumbling so horribly of late.
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