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Dual Universe Bans Marketplace Thieves - Community Reacts | MMORPG.com
In a recent reddit post, players have stolen a marketplace in Dual Universe. No, not just the items in the marketplace, but the entirety of the marketplace as a whole. The development team has responded in several ways, but to much of the dismay of the players, they have also banned the players involved.
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Beta is first and foremost about breaking shit. Find the F ups in what the devs have made. If it was not 3rd party tools that were used. It is all technically within the bounds of the game. So no they should not be banned for doing their role as beta testers.
Now with the line of communication. Reddit whether Devs like it or not is a line of communication among players. I would argue it is the largest line. Even if it is unofficial it should not make it illegitimate. Because they did "Brag" about it that is a form of letting the community know what happened this is not hiding to exploit at launch. They are there to find issues after all. Who cares if they were having a little fun with it. They are getting free testers. These are not paid employees.
So IMHO I feel like the Devs are in the wrong. It should not matter if it was not communicated properly. It was communicated.
I feel this speaks to a larger issue about how Devs view Beta. The culture around it needs to change for Free Publicity, back to looking for bugs and exploits in a 90%+ feature complete product that is looking to fix everything before launch.
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Zero respect for these devs.
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Lots of dev wasted time there because some people can't behave. Maintaining public test server does not come free.
All this ban does is make current players/testers hesitant on reporting future exploits for fear of receiving the ban hammer. Don't get me wrong, could they have gone about reporting it better? Yes. But the developers have to take a look at the other side of the coin, why did they do it this way?
Was it done because there is a lack of exploit reporting tools/methods available to players?
The ban was issued for exploitation of the bug, not miscommunicating it.
They knew they are crossing the line - they even left the message "Please no ban", yet they marched forward.
You raep what you sow.
This. Its one thing to find a bug and report it, its another to knowingly take advantage of the bug/exploit for whatever personal reasons. Report the bug, but don't abuse it. It's a very simple concept. What possible advantage or gains could you get from abusing an exploit and then gloating about it on reddit?
reminds me of just about every Chinese mmorpg I play. We find an exploit like chain ganks, or holes in dungeon walls..
And instead of patching it... They say "don't do it" and ban people... Usually with no investigation just rumors.
Then there's Russia, you mention a bug in forums, your banned lol
Sad really. Just shows despite claims to be sand box, and realistic, and intuitive, they destroy community efforts. Thevreason we are nor larping or playing Dnd is because the digital format requires fun times picking away at its firework. It's like in wow when we were so involved in every nook a'd cranny we'd find the lamp in village that makes you fall through map... The mountain you climb to jump glitch a ledge and get into a dungeon faster. Etc.
Fun. Engaging. Dedicated to your product. Banning people for creativity sounds as communist as gets, cross fingers this isn't a USA based game, but now a days... No surprise.
Well, guess I won't be playing this game if that is the mentality of the developers.
So either their tools/utilities to do this haven't been tested properly or they are manually copying assets and it was human error, either way the devs screwed up to create the issue in the first place. If its a manual copy then this should be done using a tool/utility to mitigate any chances of human error and if its a tool/utility, it clearly hasn't been tested.
I agree with the 'reap what you sow' line I really do, especially given that they exploited this issue to the nth degree but a lifetime ban seems a tad too much for me, given the server will be wiped at the end of beta anyway, it would make more sense to just ban them from the rest of the beta.
Saying that, I would be tempted to give them a virtual slap and keep them in the paid beta testing as they clearly think outside of the box.
Its all very well quoting lines such as 'Let us be clear, we will not tolerate this kind of behaviour during any phase of the development of Dual Universe' but they really really don't want to go live and then find world breaking issues which shouldn't at this point of the development cycle exist anyway.
This is why I really don't think this game is ready for a paid beta, issues such as these really shouldn't exist in this phase of the development, if they have done any meaningful destruction testing (which clearly they haven't) they would have already found and resolved the issue.
I was following the development of DU for a while, but now I am glad I did not give them my money as they not only sell access to the testing for money (which they should give for free and be thankful that someone tests their product and does not ask salary for that), but even dare to ban people who really did what they were meant to do and spent their own money to support their game development... I would definitely sue NQ if I would be among those whom they banned and NQ would loose in those disputes 100%. And even now they lost more valuable thing - they lost respect. Money can be lost and earned quite easy, but reputation loss won't be restored that fast and it will have long lasting consequences.
I don't know if I would personally call this exploiting.
ex·ploit
verb
/ikˈsploit/
make full use of and derive benefit from (a resource).
I don't believe it would fall under the text book definition of exploit. Doing it once and Posting about it is not making full use, nor is it really deriving benefit.
I would argue posting it on reddit is a loose form of reporting. Especially if they did try to reach the devs like the poster claims.
Remember this is Beta testing. Not a Live Product
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What they did is a text book example of bug exploitation and neither you report bugs via channels others than instructed by developers
Your perception on bug hunting is entirely fucked up.
Apparently (according the official forum post) they did log the issue and whilst I do believe they knew what they were doing, I would argue that there is no such things as an exploit during the testing phase of a software product, the whole point is to find bugs and exploit them and the ramifications of them.
Unless what everyone is actually paying for is early access and not testing?
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According to the website, you can join the beta now for £6.49 per month, so I guess some are paying to be in beta.
You either follows the rules or you don't, and in that case there is a good chance you will be banned, and rightfully so.
Agree, one more game not worth playing.
This was a textbook reason for a ban, beta or not. They took the whole building that people could use to play the game. Not only making the dev's have to fix everything but stopped all the other players that wanted/needed to use it.
This goes so far passed the point of an obvious exploit that will affect the whole game that should not be used, it is not even questionable.
Anyone that thinks otherwise, i am sure the Dev's thank you for NOT being in their game, you would cause more problems than you would be worth.
Thinking it is ok to cause damage and monetary loss and still get to play and have fun....idiots.