Lol, this dude wrote a crappy review of a game where he spends most of the time describing what "Gacha" is and then responds all pissily when someone legit asks about information about the game he reviewed which is for some reason almost completely non-existent in the review of the game.
Weird.
Almost makes me miss the reviewer who wrote off all of Fallout 76's bugs with a multi-page metaphor on adolescence.
the game is fine, the mtx is a doozy. 5 star characters/weapons are from "wish" equivalent of lockboxes the chance to get it is at 0.6% under 90 box and 1.6% after 90 boxes and it will reset after you get a 5 star back to 0.6%. now in the lockboxes there are about 15 - 5 star items, and you need multiple of the same character to improve the character constellation (ability) the chance to get the same character/weapon is 0.6% * 1/15 = 0.004% chance. now 10 boxes are equal to about $30, so 100 boxes are about $300, multiply that by about 6 times if you are super lucky to get 6 times of the same character = $1800, but you are not going to be that lucky. now you have a 0.004% to get the character to want so you would need 10000 boxes to get 4% chance of the character/weapon you want that will cost $30,000. Puke blood yet? if you ignore the 5 star character/weapons you should be fine-ish though, but would you? some of the 5 star are godly. btw don't let your kids play this with your credit card you wouldn't want a maxed out charge that you need to pay.
What's sad is even the fucking 4 star rates aren't good. You have a 5.1% chance of getting a 4 star character or weapon with a guarantee every 10. As in a 5.1% chance of getting an average drop. 94.3% of your items are 3 star weapons, which are about as worthless as sprays in Overwatch. The game's gacha rates are so fucking atrocious that the pity rates are higher than the summon rates. And that's with the pity rates still being below gacha standards.
Man, do the people on this site love to hate on anything at all related to mobile.
Looking at how they handle their other main game, Honkai Impact, and how other games have gone since launch, I fully expect the stamina/resin restrictions to lessen considerably as more content is added. They are also good at providing characters, equipment, and so forth through events, something the game has had far less of than Honkai, as they've been holding back on them while addressing bugs.
With most gacha mobile games, everyone is super focused on getting the top rarity stuff, as the game revolves around PvP later, and stuff isn't at all balanced, so anything short of the top rarity stuff is trash. Here there is no PvP, and even three star weapons can be pretty good, with a few real standouts, the same with four star characters. Plus again, when looking at Honkai, we can expect all of those to be easier to get at over time, where even top rarity equipment, and characters can be farmed through game play.
It's my policy in online games to not spend early, so I can see how things progress for a while, so I haven't spent anything yet, and have not done as many rolls as I could. Despite that, I haven't had any problems playing, I can still kill elite bosses, advance my characters, and so forth just fine. Some people just seem to want to focus more on what they don't have, than what they do.
I've gotten used to these F2P models. Whether that is good or bad, I don't know. However, I've gotten used to exploiting them to not spend a dime. At least with most of these F2P games they do offer alternatives to get items through grinding. Genshin Impact is thankfully one of those games.
I highly suggest you research before playing though. Especially if you are going the F2P route. There are so many tips and tricks you can do as a F2P player that will maximize your chances at experiencing the Gacha system without spending a penny.
Ex: I have two accounts (I'd have more if I had time). The two accounts give me double the chance at items, characters, etc with nothing invested money wise.
What's sad is even the fucking 4 star rates aren't good. You have a 5.1% chance of getting a 4 star character or weapon with a guarantee every 10. As in a 5.1% chance of getting an average drop. 94.3% of your items are 3 star weapons, which are about as worthless as sprays in Overwatch. The game's gacha rates are so fucking atrocious that the pity rates are higher than the summon rates. And that's with the pity rates still being below gacha standards.
Although I agree with the rates you need to take into consideration that most gacha games give you about 5% of the content and then start requiring “investments,” which then rapidly go from fair (needing 3 star heroes) to unfair (needing 5 star hero’s with 5 star equipment) over the course of the rest of the game. You do however need to spend money during the entire time you go through that other 95% of the game.
GI gives you 90% of the content first, and then immediately requires these unfair investments, with a rate that is indeed lower then that of other games, after that. You are however not required to be spending money the entire time you are playing. And to be honest, I prefer this method a lot. When you make a purchase you pay through the nose, these purchases are however not required to enjoy just about the entire game, something very, very different to just about every gacha game out there. And ohh yeah, most gacha games don’t actually have a proper game attached to their systems, this one does.
/Cheers, Lahnmir
'the only way he could nail it any better is if he used a cross.'
Kyleran on yours sincerely
'But there are many. You can play them entirely solo, and even offline. Also, you are wrong by default.'
Ikcin in response to yours sincerely debating whether or not single-player offline MMOs exist...
'This does not apply just to ED but SC or any other game. What they will get is Rebirth/X4, likely prettier but equally underwhelming and pointless.
It is incredibly difficult to design some meaningfull leg content that would fit a space ship game - simply because it is not a leg game.
It is just huge resource waste....'
Gdemami absolutely not being an armchair developer
I love this game and I feel the score is fitting. I do not and have not played lootbox/gacha games in YEARS. Overwatch was my first and last. It completely turns me off. But let that be a testament to how good this game is. So good I'm willing to overlook the awful business model. Hopefully I get around to writing my own review. Rarely has a game inspired this much hope in me. This game has more potential than any game I have played in a decade, I hope it doesn't squander it.
Yes. The criticism of this review and the one before it are well founded. Some of the “writers” here truly are clueless when it comes to writing games reviews and the bad attitude doesn’t help at all.
It's a F2P game with 30-40 hours of quality content. If you don't like the aesthetic, don't play it ofc. I don't like BDO's aesthetics so I don't play it even if people claim it's a good game.
About the gacha, I don't like the IDEA tbh, especially since streamers/content creators PROMOTE it like crazy without realizing that there are kids watching who won't understand the problems with spending $1000+ on a video game gambling.
If you're a filthy rich trust fund kid tho who wants to flex at spending $20k+ on in-game purchases, go nuts. That's who the company is really targeting, and there are TONS of them in China (the main market).
As for the game, it's a cool world, the characters are awesome and the combat is really fun, since while true that skills/talents are fixed per character, you can mix and match 4 characters with various gear options. Play the content, enjoy, then quit (or wait for the next set of content to drop).
9/10 seems legit imo, it's FREEEEEEEE, spending money gets you NOTHING extra, just more characters to choose from (if you don't want to reroll the first 30mins to get the ones you want).
Game at best is 5.0 score. You can easily play up to 20-40 hours for story if happens you to like game, but other than that it's money scam lottery. Don't know what gacha is, but I hope in EU will soon ban these types of games.
Purchases don't feel predatory?! Are you serious?!
To reach the pity 50/50 pull you'll need to spend $200,-....and that only gives you a 50% chance of getting the 5* character you are pulling for...for an actual guarantee you need to spend a wopping $400,-......for ONE CHARACTER....how is that not predatory?!
Combine that with the fact, that most players will only get 5*s through the pity, since the pull rate is abysmal...and it gets worse.
On top of that, the premium currency is accumulated at such a snail pace in this game, in comparison to other "gacha" games. Daily commissions give you 60 gems and that's what 90% of the playersbase will only be able to farm, since most won't be able to clear Abyss 9-11...
A f2p player will need to farm commissions for 240 days to gain a 50% chance at a 5* pull. That EIGHT months...
I enjoy playing the game, but the monetization is a freaking disaster!
Purchases don't feel predatory?! Are you serious?!
To reach the pity 50/50 pull you'll need to spend $200,-....and that only gives you a 50% chance of getting the 5* character you are pulling for...for an actual guarantee you need to spend a wopping $400,-......for ONE CHARACTER....how is that not predatory?!
Combine that with the fact, that most players will only get 5*s through the pity, since the pull rate is abysmal...and it gets worse.
On top of that, the premium currency is accumulated at such a snail pace in this game, in comparison to other "gacha" games. Daily commissions give you 60 gems and that's what 90% of the playersbase will only be able to farm, since most won't be able to clear Abyss 9-11...
A f2p player will need to farm commissions for 240 days to gain a 50% chance at a 5* pull. That EIGHT months...
I enjoy playing the game, but the monetization is a freaking disaster!
Agreed. The only good news is that, contrary to most gacha games, your pity does apparently carry over from one promotional banner to the next promotional banner. Which is important because the snail's pace of currency acquisition means that it will take a very, very long time to earn a pity. And it does help alleviate that use it or lose it pressure that pity systems create.
More than 80% of the community complains about of predatory microtransactions that miHoYo took and then I read this review.
100% paid review. CLAP CLAP CLAP
Now we know where 100mi raised in the first month is being invested; on fake reviews.
A few days ago I saw a video in which the title talked about how to get the new character on the banner being just f2p.
But the video was a bunch of spreadsheets that at the end said that you would invest only 300 dollars to have the banner character guaranteed. Nothing predatory.
More than 80% of the community complains about of predatory microtransactions that miHoYo took and then I read this review.
100% paid review. CLAP CLAP CLAP
Now we know where 100mi raised in the first month is being invested; on fake reviews.
A few days ago I saw a video in which the title talked about how to get the new character on the banner being just f2p.
But the video was a bunch of spreadsheets that at the end said that you would invest only 300 dollars to have the banner character guaranteed. Nothing predatory.
I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt. It's not a paid review. Given that his avatar is a gacha protagonist, he is genuinely so accustomed to cynnical gacha bullshit that this is normal to him.
Generally, I advocate for games being reviewed by people familiar with that genre. But this one being reviewed by a fan of the gacha side of things rather than the RPG/adventure side of things has caused a really warped perspective.
More than 80% of the community complains about of predatory microtransactions that miHoYo took and then I read this review.
100% paid review. CLAP CLAP CLAP
Now we know where 100mi raised in the first month is being invested; on fake reviews.
A few days ago I saw a video in which the title talked about how to get the new character on the banner being just f2p.
But the video was a bunch of spreadsheets that at the end said that you would invest only 300 dollars to have the banner character guaranteed. Nothing predatory.
You obviously didn't read my comment, let me explain getting 5* character is only the beginning of your curse. It doesn't give you full access to the constellation (ability) you need multiple of the same character to open up the constellation. your 5* character will feel gimp without the rest of the constellation. that's where they make the most money. because the rate of getting the same 5* character is suddenly 0.004% instead of 0.6%
Lady luck has it in for me and every opportunity she gets she will shank me with that dull butter knife she wields. Any game that has to rely on luck I have to pass on as I am not going to get anywhere fast relying on her good graces.
Lady luck has it in for me and every opportunity she gets she will shank me with that dull butter knife she wields. Any game that has to rely on luck I have to pass on as I am not going to get anywhere fast relying on her good graces.
At the end of the day, it's a PVE game. From what I've read, you can still progress and do the main story and side quests fine. You pay if you want more characters in your roster.
Lady luck has it in for me and every opportunity she gets she will shank me with that dull butter knife she wields. Any game that has to rely on luck I have to pass on as I am not going to get anywhere fast relying on her good graces.
At the end of the day, it's a PVE game. From what I've read, you can still progress and do the main story and side quests fine. You pay if you want more characters in your roster.
More than 80% of the community complains about of predatory microtransactions that miHoYo took and then I read this review.
100% paid review. CLAP CLAP CLAP
Now we know where 100mi raised in the first month is being invested; on fake reviews.
A few days ago I saw a video in which the title talked about how to get the new character on the banner being just f2p.
But the video was a bunch of spreadsheets that at the end said that you would invest only 300 dollars to have the banner character guaranteed. Nothing predatory.
I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt. It's not a paid review. Given that his avatar is a gacha protagonist, he is genuinely so accustomed to cynnical gacha bullshit that this is normal to him.
Generally, I advocate for games being reviewed by people familiar with that genre. But this one being reviewed by a fan of the gacha side of things rather than the RPG/adventure side of things has caused a really warped perspective.
This is where I see the review, stretching basing it on an avatar, but it does fit. Once again (because we get this once in a while) unless you have proof this is a paid for review why suggest that?
So many posters simply cannot accept that someone sees a game, anything, differently from them. Because of that they have to find reasons why this person is not conforming to their world view. Most recently I apparently did not like BG3 early access because I was a disgruntled BG/BG1 fan, you couldn't make it up. We find it far easier to accept that some one is taking money or has beef with a game than we do to accept they just have a different opinion.
More than 80% of the community complains about of predatory microtransactions that miHoYo took and then I read this review.
100% paid review. CLAP CLAP CLAP
Now we know where 100mi raised in the first month is being invested; on fake reviews.
A few days ago I saw a video in which the title talked about how to get the new character on the banner being just f2p.
But the video was a bunch of spreadsheets that at the end said that you would invest only 300 dollars to have the banner character guaranteed. Nothing predatory.
I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt. It's not a paid review. Given that his avatar is a gacha protagonist, he is genuinely so accustomed to cynnical gacha bullshit that this is normal to him.
Generally, I advocate for games being reviewed by people familiar with that genre. But this one being reviewed by a fan of the gacha side of things rather than the RPG/adventure side of things has caused a really warped perspective.
This is where I see the review, stretching basing it on an avatar, but it does fit. Once again (because we get this once in a while) unless you have proof this is a paid for review why suggest that?
So many posters simply cannot accept that someone sees a game, anything, differently from them. Because of that they have to find reasons why this person is not conforming to their world view. Most recently I did not like BG3 early access because I was a disgruntled BG/BG1 fan, you couldn't make it up. We find it far easier to accept that some one is talking money or has beef with a game than we do to accept they just have a different opinion.
Not really stretching. He does disclose that he has played multiple gacha games "more than he cares to admit" in the first paragraph of the review. The avatar just makes clear just how much he identifies with this much-maligned genre.
I have a Dynasty Warriors guilty pleasure. I would disclose that if I were reviewing a Warriors game. But if I went around with a Zhou Yu avatar, it would make the degree of my franchise identification crystal clear. Me bearing a Guild Wars avatar shows my identification with that franchise. It's a case of wearing one's biases on one's sleeve.
More than 80% of the community complains about of predatory microtransactions that miHoYo took and then I read this review.
100% paid review. CLAP CLAP CLAP
Now we know where 100mi raised in the first month is being invested; on fake reviews.
A few days ago I saw a video in which the title talked about how to get the new character on the banner being just f2p.
But the video was a bunch of spreadsheets that at the end said that you would invest only 300 dollars to have the banner character guaranteed. Nothing predatory.
I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt. It's not a paid review. Given that his avatar is a gacha protagonist, he is genuinely so accustomed to cynnical gacha bullshit that this is normal to him.
Generally, I advocate for games being reviewed by people familiar with that genre. But this one being reviewed by a fan of the gacha side of things rather than the RPG/adventure side of things has caused a really warped perspective.
This is where I see the review, stretching basing it on an avatar, but it does fit. Once again (because we get this once in a while) unless you have proof this is a paid for review why suggest that?
So many posters simply cannot accept that someone sees a game, anything, differently from them. Because of that they have to find reasons why this person is not conforming to their world view. Most recently I did not like BG3 early access because I was a disgruntled BG/BG1 fan, you couldn't make it up. We find it far easier to accept that some one is talking money or has beef with a game than we do to accept they just have a different opinion.
Not really stretching. He does disclose that he has played multiple gacha games "more than he cares to admit" in the first paragraph of the review. The avatar just makes clear just how much he identifies with this much-maligned genre.
I have a Dynasty Warriors guilty pleasure. I would disclose that if I were reviewing a Warriors game. But if I went around with a Zhou Yu avatar, it would make the degree of my franchise identification crystal clear. Me bearing a Guild Wars avatar shows my identification with that franchise. It's a case of wearing one's biases on one's sleeve.
One can still be critical of something they love so I disagree. Jumping to conclusions without knowing the person is never a good thing imo.
The game is great... for a mobile game, and that's how I play it. On Mobile. For a mobile game I could see it being around a 9... sure.. simply because the game has a lot more than just gacha.. initially.
As a PC and Console game.. I wouldn't really give it much time. Combat is fairly limited, and I don't really like any of the characters.
Again, as a mobile game.. it's tops.. in comparison to what other mobile games are. Then again, RuneScape is tops in comparison to other mobile games too so...
More than 80% of the community complains about of predatory microtransactions that miHoYo took and then I read this review.
100% paid review. CLAP CLAP CLAP
Now we know where 100mi raised in the first month is being invested; on fake reviews.
A few days ago I saw a video in which the title talked about how to get the new character on the banner being just f2p.
But the video was a bunch of spreadsheets that at the end said that you would invest only 300 dollars to have the banner character guaranteed. Nothing predatory.
I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt. It's not a paid review. Given that his avatar is a gacha protagonist, he is genuinely so accustomed to cynnical gacha bullshit that this is normal to him.
Generally, I advocate for games being reviewed by people familiar with that genre. But this one being reviewed by a fan of the gacha side of things rather than the RPG/adventure side of things has caused a really warped perspective.
This is where I see the review, stretching basing it on an avatar, but it does fit. Once again (because we get this once in a while) unless you have proof this is a paid for review why suggest that?
So many posters simply cannot accept that someone sees a game, anything, differently from them. Because of that they have to find reasons why this person is not conforming to their world view. Most recently I did not like BG3 early access because I was a disgruntled BG/BG1 fan, you couldn't make it up. We find it far easier to accept that some one is talking money or has beef with a game than we do to accept they just have a different opinion.
Not really stretching. He does disclose that he has played multiple gacha games "more than he cares to admit" in the first paragraph of the review. The avatar just makes clear just how much he identifies with this much-maligned genre.
I have a Dynasty Warriors guilty pleasure. I would disclose that if I were reviewing a Warriors game. But if I went around with a Zhou Yu avatar, it would make the degree of my franchise identification crystal clear. Me bearing a Guild Wars avatar shows my identification with that franchise. It's a case of wearing one's biases on one's sleeve.
One can still be critical of something they love so I disagree. Jumping to conclusions without knowing the person is never a good thing imo.
I also agree with that statement. One can be critical of something they love. In fact, being a fan of something makes one more aware of flaws that a casual player or a non-fan would not pick up on. And it makes that perspective valuable in its own right. A Warriors fan is more qualified to say that Hyrule Warriors is a good Warriors game and Dynasty Warriors 9 is a bad Warriors game than a typical outlet reviewer is to say "all Warriors games are bad."
But we are talking about the difference between a fan of a genre and a fan of a business model. Business models are touchy subjects, and should be approached with a greater deal of caution. An especially great deal of caution when we're dealing with a particularly contentious one.
"This game's business model is not predatory" is a difficult statement to justify when that same business model has demonstrated the ability to sink someone over $7,000 on live stream to acquire a single copy of Diluc. Newsflash to that poor soul - he needs 6 more copies to fully unlock that one character. And then a 5 star weapon with the same number of copies to be at the top of the power curb... on one character.
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The game's gacha rates are so fucking atrocious that the pity rates are higher than the summon rates. And that's with the pity rates still being below gacha standards.
GI gives you 90% of the content first, and then immediately requires these unfair investments, with a rate that is indeed lower then that of other games, after that. You are however not required to be spending money the entire time you are playing. And to be honest, I prefer this method a lot. When you make a purchase you pay through the nose, these purchases are however not required to enjoy just about the entire game, something very, very different to just about every gacha game out there. And ohh yeah, most gacha games don’t actually have a proper game attached to their systems, this one does.
/Cheers,
Lahnmir
Kyleran on yours sincerely
'But there are many. You can play them entirely solo, and even offline. Also, you are wrong by default.'
Ikcin in response to yours sincerely debating whether or not single-player offline MMOs exist...
'This does not apply just to ED but SC or any other game. What they will get is Rebirth/X4, likely prettier but equally underwhelming and pointless.
It is incredibly difficult to design some meaningfull leg content that would fit a space ship game - simply because it is not a leg game.
It is just huge resource waste....'
Gdemami absolutely not being an armchair developer
About the gacha, I don't like the IDEA tbh, especially since streamers/content creators PROMOTE it like crazy without realizing that there are kids watching who won't understand the problems with spending $1000+ on a video game gambling.
If you're a filthy rich trust fund kid tho who wants to flex at spending $20k+ on in-game purchases, go nuts. That's who the company is really targeting, and there are TONS of them in China (the main market).
As for the game, it's a cool world, the characters are awesome and the combat is really fun, since while true that skills/talents are fixed per character, you can mix and match 4 characters with various gear options. Play the content, enjoy, then quit (or wait for the next set of content to drop).
9/10 seems legit imo, it's FREEEEEEEE, spending money gets you NOTHING extra, just more characters to choose from (if you don't want to reroll the first 30mins to get the ones you want).
To reach the pity 50/50 pull you'll need to spend $200,-....and that only gives you a 50% chance of getting the 5* character you are pulling for...for an actual guarantee you need to spend a wopping $400,-......for ONE CHARACTER....how is that not predatory?!
Combine that with the fact, that most players will only get 5*s through the pity, since the pull rate is abysmal...and it gets worse.
On top of that, the premium currency is accumulated at such a snail pace in this game, in comparison to other "gacha" games. Daily commissions give you 60 gems and that's what 90% of the playersbase will only be able to farm, since most won't be able to clear Abyss 9-11...
A f2p player will need to farm commissions for 240 days to gain a 50% chance at a 5* pull. That EIGHT months...
I enjoy playing the game, but the monetization is a freaking disaster!
It's not a MMO. It's a co-op RPG at most and a single player one 99% of the time.
More than 80% of the community complains about of predatory microtransactions that miHoYo took and then I read this review.
100% paid review. CLAP CLAP CLAP
Now we know where 100mi raised in the first month is being invested; on fake reviews.
A few days ago I saw a video in which the title talked about how to get the new character on the banner being just f2p.
But the video was a bunch of spreadsheets that at the end said that you would invest only 300 dollars to have the banner character guaranteed. Nothing predatory.
Generally, I advocate for games being reviewed by people familiar with that genre. But this one being reviewed by a fan of the gacha side of things rather than the RPG/adventure side of things has caused a really warped perspective.
So many posters simply cannot accept that someone sees a game, anything, differently from them. Because of that they have to find reasons why this person is not conforming to their world view. Most recently I apparently did not like BG3 early access because I was a disgruntled BG/BG1 fan, you couldn't make it up. We find it far easier to accept that some one is taking money or has beef with a game than we do to accept they just have a different opinion.
I have a Dynasty Warriors guilty pleasure. I would disclose that if I were reviewing a Warriors game. But if I went around with a Zhou Yu avatar, it would make the degree of my franchise identification crystal clear. Me bearing a Guild Wars avatar shows my identification with that franchise. It's a case of wearing one's biases on one's sleeve.
As a PC and Console game.. I wouldn't really give it much time. Combat is fairly limited, and I don't really like any of the characters.
Again, as a mobile game.. it's tops.. in comparison to what other mobile games are. Then again, RuneScape is tops in comparison to other mobile games too so...
But we are talking about the difference between a fan of a genre and a fan of a business model. Business models are touchy subjects, and should be approached with a greater deal of caution. An especially great deal of caution when we're dealing with a particularly contentious one.
"This game's business model is not predatory" is a difficult statement to justify when that same business model has demonstrated the ability to sink someone over $7,000 on live stream to acquire a single copy of Diluc. Newsflash to that poor soul - he needs 6 more copies to fully unlock that one character. And then a 5 star weapon with the same number of copies to be at the top of the power curb... on one character.