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MJ picks his toys up and heads for home.
Kyleran
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”All,
I’m going to take a break from posting on MOP for a little while. The last couple of days here have frankly, made it less fun to come here and post. This is not the fault, in any way, of MOP or its team and this place is important to gamers like us so my support for it is unchanged. That said, the constant spamming of personal attacks and lies are simply unacceptable.
I support, 100%, the right of people to be angry at us or anybody for just about anything. OTOH, when criticism turn personal, nasty and libelous, there is no point for me to be here any longer. When people feel it’s okay to say the things that have been said in this thread, and others, about me without consequence, that just encourages more of that behavior and people such as myself to leave these things to Community Managers.
I just don’t have the time to defend myself from the stuff that certain people have been saying. And as we all know, if I don’t respond (since I do try to respond to everybody) that just feeds into a feedback loop where certain folks can then say “Mark doesn’t dare respond to me. I HAVE THE POWER!” Thus, it’s better to take a break for now and focus on the games we are making and running the company.
Stay safe and uninfected everybody! catch you on the flip side.
Mark”
"True friends stab you in the front." | Oscar Wilde
"I need to finish" - Christian Wolff: The Accountant
Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
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Logic, my dear, merely enables one to be wrong with great authority.
Other people try to stay on topic (eg when will you have 24/7 servers)... which he answers.
I'm no defender of CU or MJ, but I can see why he gets frustrated with forums.
"... we who live under the bridge..." might as well be his sig
“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?”
― CD PROJEKT RED
There are too many Shit Trolls on game forums, and as long as other gamers allow their trolls to run off unchecked, they are the cause of the breakdown in communication.
So far, I am proudly blocked by a troll here for calling out their lies and trolling.
It must be very difficult for MJ to ignore trolls/idiots like that Covynant guy from example above but it is probably the only way - pick your battles and speak to folk that can behave only.
"True friends stab you in the front." | Oscar Wilde
"I need to finish" - Christian Wolff: The Accountant
Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
Fools find no pleasure in understanding but delight in airing their own opinions. Pvbs 18:2, NIV
Don't just play games, inhabit virtual worlds™
"This is the most intelligent, well qualified and articulate response to a post I have ever seen on these forums. It's a shame most people here won't have the attention span to read past the second line." - Anon
EQ1, EQ2, SWG, SWTOR, GW, GW2 CoH, CoV, FFXI, WoW, CO, War,TSW and a slew of free trials and beta tests
The difference was his game then was not crowd funded and so he could with some impunity really lay in on people and he often did. He needs to step back when he gets angry nowadays because he cannot afford to do what he did then. He is to some extent responsible for things escalating.
I do understand people like him though. Bet if he was my classmate he would be that guy that can never let anything go and would me spoiling for a fight for just any slight that happen to be flung his way. He has never learnt the wisdom of letting things pass without a reaction. At some point it totally gets out of hand and then he steps back but by then almost everyone has already seen the underbelly of the beast.
There are always several sides to a story,i often look deeper and find more than the naked eye WANTS to see.People are subjective in what they want to see or listen to.
So i will try and look at this in a similar fashion to see how i see the devs of my past favorite game Atlas.I feel i have been LIED to "a term Mark claims was used against him'as well the dev team continue to try and change the game into something i never wanted.
Without getting into the giant picture and what is going on i am only referring to this because i know how it feels to have a developer shit all over it's supporters.
Mark CLAIMS it is ok for people to be angry but to what point,obviously personal attacks are not a good thing but what if,WHAT IF Mark has been lying and conning ,exploiting people out of their money with FALSE promises?
Point being ,are these people really trolls "an oft over used term now a days"or is/has Mark created a LOT of the problems?
Personally i want new laws to take affect on these so called non profit and donation /crowd funded type ventures.I don't agree with ANY of it or how they operate.
Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.
I have been watching a dude named Sid Alpha for a long time.He is a YouTuber that basically does a lot of uncovering "dirty devs".He digs very deep with factual evidence and has himself had to fight off legal issues threatened against him via developers.
What he has uncovered over the years are a LOT of scummy to down right illegal acting dev studios.he has even helped facilitate legal action against developers as well as having had a YouTube ban turned over because of lies and slander done by developers.
The business of gaming now a days is very dirty business,no different than Twitch streamers covering themselves in a bubble room to control the environment of attaining money from viewers.
Even when FACTUAL evidence is shown these devs still try and lie and cover their tracks as well THREATEN the community or ANYONE that speaks against them with defamation claims.
This is a very relevant topic because about 5 or so years ago Canada as i am sure other nations,were looking into new laws that protect people from big business bullying by way of legal action.In other words,big business was threatening the community voice with legal action if they say anything bad.
This is sort oif what i am feeling here with Mark as he was VERY careful to throw in the term LIABLE.That term didn't just magically get there,he made sure to use it.So i asked my self WHY and then i thought of all the scummy devs and how Canada was looking into law to keep this sort of bullying from happening.I mean how can any normal community person defend themselves against big businesses?
So last i heard on the matter was the government was looking into giving judges the power to levy fines as well as other penalties and future restrictions against big business that was merely trying to bully people's opinions.
Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.
“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?”
― CD PROJEKT RED
What he does wrong imo, is trying to be reasonable with irrational people - the gap in mentality is just too large for him to comprehend.
Something like when you see people making more money than you and still living from paycheck to paycheck. For someone with elementary fiscal responsibility such behavior is simply uncomprehensible.
To be fair I think we are miles better than Twitter and marginally better than Reddit. But I think the best thing for him is to take a step back and let someone else do the PR.
No one but a dev can communicate with public and share details about the game and development.
As much as a dev person may lack communication/people skills, PR person will be short on any technical knowledge, making him unable to do the task at all.
From the two, only dev is capable to do the job. The ideal situation is to have a dev with people/communication skills, but such people are even rarer than good developers.
Even large companies that can afford more staff do not have anyone in such positions and it is always the devs doing the talking.
After all, there hasn't been all that much to report on considering the game is still under NDA and progress has been at a snail's pace.
"True friends stab you in the front." | Oscar Wilde
"I need to finish" - Christian Wolff: The Accountant
Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
Fools find no pleasure in understanding but delight in airing their own opinions. Pvbs 18:2, NIV
Don't just play games, inhabit virtual worlds™
"This is the most intelligent, well qualified and articulate response to a post I have ever seen on these forums. It's a shame most people here won't have the attention span to read past the second line." - Anon
You just don't chase people around different internet forums and get into arguments with them as a dev. I've never seen that before. It was really cringe. You're not going to change people's views of you or the game by doing that.
Now I haven't read the thread so I have no idea what was posted, but with the militant way that Bree defends her viewpoint by deleting comments she disagrees with, I doubt they were all that bad or if they were I am sure they were deleted quickly.
Mark should just ignore them, but for some reason he can't, and thus elevates them to the same level he is (or comes down to theirs, in the end its the same thing).
His big breaking of faith to me is not the ridiculous delays. It's not the silly tower defense side-game. Its that, as far as I know, he has ceased giving out any refunds under the reasoning of COVID preventing him from going to the office, but I know I read that he did in fact go in there at least one day and didn't do any refunds. At least he could have taken the opportunity to assign someone else (his partner Andrew?) the rights to do so, or something else to enable delivery of what was promised.
So to me that has been his biggest failure to date and until rectified he really should stay out of sight.
All time classic MY NEW FAVORITE POST! (Keep laying those bricks)
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Besides, I'd imagine old Mark heard a lot worse things as EA booted his ass out the door for mismanaging all that Warhammer cash. I've sat in on board meetings when someone is fucking up. At least the forums can't take your pan handled money back.