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  • TorvalTorval Member LegendaryPosts: 21,404
    Torval said:

    If you go back and look at CoT and SoH threads since the private CoX servers came out, you have people mad these games are being developed, and people mad other people are excited for and looking forward to spiritual successors.


    Ah, yes that is silly then. While I think the return of CoX may cause the spiritual successors some trouble, it is ridiculous for fans of it to be angry that the new games are being worked on and hopefully ultimately released, or be bothered by excitement over them.

    The return of CoX (other than one private server that was shrouded in secrecy) has just recently become available essentially out of the blue. Prior to that the successors were the only hope for the vast majority of CoX fans of playing a game like it again.

    To turn on them now, after years of effort of trying to create something akin to what was thought lost, is certainly something they don't deserve. It is also rather foolish, as the fan celebrated return of CoX as pleasant as it is will always have an element of risk the successors do not.
    Except that's not happening. There is no huge outrage. They're inflating what a few mouthy people may have said on some topic somewhere on the internet at some point. This is what people do now, create an artificial bogeyman and manufacture a big fight where there isn't one. If those indie projects ever make a decent superhero game you know everyone that loves those will play it.

    Before just accepting what people like that say, make them prove it. It's on them.
    Well then, I guess it isn't a big issue then. But is it a big issue that it isn't a big issue? Not so much.

    My sentiment still applies regardless of the number of people involved, even if it turned out to be zero... which it won't, because the proclivity of complaint will ensure someone, somewhere, is bleating out the very stance I critiqued.

    Contriving an issue to complain about the contrivance of issues bears a pretty strong resemblance to the practice you deride.
    I'm pointing out their original premise is flawed. That's valid. I'm not making a new premise supporting or countering that point at all. So, no it isn't the same at all.
    Gdemami
    traveller, interloper, anomaly, iteration


  • KnightFalzKnightFalz Member EpicPosts: 2,074
    Torval said:
    Torval said:

    If you go back and look at CoT and SoH threads since the private CoX servers came out, you have people mad these games are being developed, and people mad other people are excited for and looking forward to spiritual successors.


    Ah, yes that is silly then. While I think the return of CoX may cause the spiritual successors some trouble, it is ridiculous for fans of it to be angry that the new games are being worked on and hopefully ultimately released, or be bothered by excitement over them.

    The return of CoX (other than one private server that was shrouded in secrecy) has just recently become available essentially out of the blue. Prior to that the successors were the only hope for the vast majority of CoX fans of playing a game like it again.

    To turn on them now, after years of effort of trying to create something akin to what was thought lost, is certainly something they don't deserve. It is also rather foolish, as the fan celebrated return of CoX as pleasant as it is will always have an element of risk the successors do not.
    Except that's not happening. There is no huge outrage. They're inflating what a few mouthy people may have said on some topic somewhere on the internet at some point. This is what people do now, create an artificial bogeyman and manufacture a big fight where there isn't one. If those indie projects ever make a decent superhero game you know everyone that loves those will play it.

    Before just accepting what people like that say, make them prove it. It's on them.
    Well then, I guess it isn't a big issue then. But is it a big issue that it isn't a big issue? Not so much.

    My sentiment still applies regardless of the number of people involved, even if it turned out to be zero... which it won't, because the proclivity of complaint will ensure someone, somewhere, is bleating out the very stance I critiqued.

    Contriving an issue to complain about the contrivance of issues bears a pretty strong resemblance to the practice you deride.
    I'm pointing out their original premise is flawed. That's valid. I'm not making a new premise supporting or countering that point at all. So, no it isn't the same at all.
    You were also taking issue with my response, which I pointed out was an exaggerated complaint on your part as my response remained applicable regardless of the flaws of the original premise.

    One exaggerated complaint is as flawed as another.

    So, yes, it is exactly the same.
  • TorvalTorval Member LegendaryPosts: 21,404
    Torval said:
    Torval said:

    If you go back and look at CoT and SoH threads since the private CoX servers came out, you have people mad these games are being developed, and people mad other people are excited for and looking forward to spiritual successors.


    Ah, yes that is silly then. While I think the return of CoX may cause the spiritual successors some trouble, it is ridiculous for fans of it to be angry that the new games are being worked on and hopefully ultimately released, or be bothered by excitement over them.

    The return of CoX (other than one private server that was shrouded in secrecy) has just recently become available essentially out of the blue. Prior to that the successors were the only hope for the vast majority of CoX fans of playing a game like it again.

    To turn on them now, after years of effort of trying to create something akin to what was thought lost, is certainly something they don't deserve. It is also rather foolish, as the fan celebrated return of CoX as pleasant as it is will always have an element of risk the successors do not.
    Except that's not happening. There is no huge outrage. They're inflating what a few mouthy people may have said on some topic somewhere on the internet at some point. This is what people do now, create an artificial bogeyman and manufacture a big fight where there isn't one. If those indie projects ever make a decent superhero game you know everyone that loves those will play it.

    Before just accepting what people like that say, make them prove it. It's on them.
    Well then, I guess it isn't a big issue then. But is it a big issue that it isn't a big issue? Not so much.

    My sentiment still applies regardless of the number of people involved, even if it turned out to be zero... which it won't, because the proclivity of complaint will ensure someone, somewhere, is bleating out the very stance I critiqued.

    Contriving an issue to complain about the contrivance of issues bears a pretty strong resemblance to the practice you deride.
    I'm pointing out their original premise is flawed. That's valid. I'm not making a new premise supporting or countering that point at all. So, no it isn't the same at all.
    You were also taking issue with my response, which I pointed out was an exaggerated complaint on your part as my response remained applicable regardless of the flaws of the original premise.

    One exaggerated complaint is as flawed as another.

    So, yes, it is exactly the same.
    You totally responded to them as if it were true. You accepted it so yeah you were wrong and I'm not exaggerating. I'm calling you both out for it being BS. That's not the situation and I'm not complaining about complainers. I'm calling out people spreading bullshit like it's true when it's not.
    Gdemami
    traveller, interloper, anomaly, iteration


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  • blamo2000blamo2000 Member RarePosts: 1,122
    Torval said:
    I'm interested in specifics how or why people like it better not that they like it better. It would be useful to know why the RPG system in the game is better than UO, and what "better" means.
    For me it means it is more complex and has more options for weird builds that interest me and character building options.  They have a lot of abilities tied to skills, twice the amount of stats as UO, and a lot of other meaty differences.  Its a much heavier system.  

    I prefer heavier systems.  I did not think U7 was a good game because its rpg system was so streamlined and lite, I think U8 and U9 barely qualify as rpgs.  I prefer the two Buck Rogers games to all the other gold box engine games.  I preferred Darklands and Realms of Arkania to U7 and UU.  Etc.  I like heavier systems with more complex character building.  More complex and heavier doesn't translate to more popular or acclaimed.  Its just my preference.  It always has been and always will be.


    Torval said:

    Except that's not happening. There is no huge outrage. They're inflating what a few mouthy people may have said on some topic somewhere on the internet at some point. This is what people do now, create an artificial bogeyman and manufacture a big fight where there isn't one. If those indie projects ever make a decent superhero game you know everyone that loves those will play it.

    Before just accepting what people like that say, make them prove it. It's on them.
    This is very disengenuios.  No sane person is ever going to go back looking through threads for links.  Someone on the WoW classic forum used this same speel when it was brought up a ton of people in Classic posts on sites like this always posted how people only thought they were going to like classic, but weren't, or rose-tinted glasses, etc, etc.   

    Was it 50% of the posts?  No.  It was a common theme seen in most Classic threads, for months and months after it was first announced.  

    Saying this isn't true reharding SoH/CoT means you didn't check out those news post threads or you just don't want to believe it.  Either way you are saying things that are not true.  Was it as promonent with the CoT/SoH as with Classic?  No, but it happened enough where I got annoyed and started replying to people.   Was it crazy and out of control and the view of most of the people posting?  No, certainly not.  But am I making it up?  Certainly not.  

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