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Amazon's MMO New World Delayed, Again, Now Coming Spring 2021

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  • IselinIselin Member LegendaryPosts: 18,719
    tidsdit said:
    I’m not surprised by this at all. If you look at the history of John Smedley, this should be no surprise. I immediately think of Everquest 3 and how they closed the development of the game because they determined that the game “wasn’t fun”. I’m not saying they’re going to close development Of New World, but John does have a track record of making poor decisions when it comes to game development. I personally feel that this was a bad move on their part to delay, only because there’s a good chance that a greater competitor (Ashes of Creation) will swallow up a large part of the targeted audience for this game. I don’t think many people are aware that these delays allow players to discover and get involved in playing or pursuing other games.
    Good try laying this on Smed but he has nothing to do with New World.

    New World is being done by the Orange County Amazon Games Studio. Smed is the head of one of their other studios, San Diego, and we don't know what they're working on although some think they're the ones doing the new LOTR game.
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  • MendelMendel Member LegendaryPosts: 5,609
    tidsdit said:
    I’m not surprised by this at all. If you look at the history of John Smedley, this should be no surprise. I immediately think of Everquest 3 and how they closed the development of the game because they determined that the game “wasn’t fun”. I’m not saying they’re going to close development Of New World, but John does have a track record of making poor decisions when it comes to game development. I personally feel that this was a bad move on their part to delay, only because there’s a good chance that a greater competitor (Ashes of Creation) will swallow up a large part of the targeted audience for this game. I don’t think many people are aware that these delays allow players to discover and get involved in playing or pursuing other games.

    I don't know about Ashes of Creation specifically, but the trend is for management of games companies to ignore the market place and what the customers are doing.  But, there is a real danger that the target audience for New World will simply find something else to do.



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  • Sabnock34Sabnock34 Member UncommonPosts: 19
    Is this going to be a complete scrap? It sounded like the game they had now was pure garbage.

    It's really just a complete overhaul, the game was focused around open world full loot pvp. But, due to  a serious amount of noob griefing observed in Beta...they decided to do opt-in pvp, which is requiring them to put in more PvE content they didn't think they would need right off hand.
  • Sabnock34Sabnock34 Member UncommonPosts: 19
    so with New World being delayed AGAIN, 2020 MMORPGs are like picking a woman at the end of the night at a bar when you're drunk with beer goggles on, You're hoping for a 10, but know you're probably getting a 2.

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  • zeroscloudzeroscloud Member UncommonPosts: 53
    It needs all the time it can get, trust me. If you have any interest in this game consider this a good thing. If it had released on schedule it probably would have ended up like ESO, large drop off and eventually fixed and people coming back.
  • bcbullybcbully Member EpicPosts: 11,838
    I expect to see open world non-consensual  pvp implemented with a criminal system.


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  • timeraidertimeraider Member UncommonPosts: 865
    A good thing for the game as no doubt it needs all the time it can get.
    Still not enough to convince me it will be more than a one-day fly MMO.
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  • bwwianakievbwwianakiev Member UncommonPosts: 119

    Mendel said:

    Amazon's delay may actually be a saving grace for this project.  It didn't appear that there was going to be nearly enough PvE content for a successful launch, if they were serious about this game appealing to both the PvP and PvE crowds.  Right now, I guess that they need not worry about adding new mechanics, only new zones, mobs, lore, quests, animations, etc. to keep the game afloat.  How they spend this additional time they've bought with this delay will determine the success of New World.

    Assuming that another delay doesn't follow this one, of course.






    Them not having enough PvE content AFTER fucking up PvP would have def ruined the game. I would have enjoyed a full loot pvp world without crazy amount of PvE honestly. I also loved old school Ultima Online though so I like punishment.
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  • Abscissa15Abscissa15 Member UncommonPosts: 69
    There is one way that the mismanagement could be circumvented - the head executive over the Amazon Game Studios business unit could reassign the current director to kitchen duty and then hire @DMKano as the new director. What do you think ?

  • AeanderAeander Member LegendaryPosts: 7,903
    There is one way that the mismanagement could be circumvented - the head executive over the Amazon Game Studios business unit could reassign the current director to kitchen duty and then hire @DMKano as the new director. What do you think ?

    So we'd literally get Archeage? 
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  • genova2809genova2809 Member UncommonPosts: 47

    IceAge said:



    ReaperUk said:


    Maybe there's a new competition between Star Citizen and New World to see who can delay a new game the longest?






    What? At least Amazon is making the game from their own money....



    Anyway, if this is for the best, then .. do whatever to release ( at least ) a decent MMO, Amazon!



    you know that amazon get money from you as customer as well as star citizen as customer / donator ? its exacly the same thing xD the difference is that amazon make game from some existing basic instead of nothing like star citizen doing by making a space opera from NOTHING =) so thing twice befor trash talking younerd =)
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  • vicentesoulvicentesoul Member UncommonPosts: 49
    Well, maybe all the feedback i sent them via surveys about their unfinished game is something real!
  • xion12121xion12121 Member UncommonPosts: 199
    edited July 2020
    Markn said:
    Everyone bashing this delay you would be here bashing them if they released too soon also. At least we know amazon has the $ to do this right.
    Don't kid yourself, you are naive to think that they will actually release it May of 2021. It will be delayed again. Even worse, they may not even get close to finishing it and flat out cancel the studio/game.
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  • KyleranKyleran Member LegendaryPosts: 43,677
    remsleep said:
    xion12121 said:
    Markn said:
    Everyone bashing this delay you would be here bashing them if they released too soon also. At least we know amazon has the $ to do this right.
    Don't kid yourself, you are naive to think that they will actually release it May of 2021. It will be delayed again. Even worse, they may not even get close to finishing it and flat out cancel the studio/game.

    Yep - real good possibility as so far the studio has been an absolute failure.

    Amazon might simply pull the plug
    Some have speculated they may just divert more of their resources to the upcoming Lord of the Rings title.

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  • ultimateduckultimateduck Member EpicPosts: 1,272
    Good. Things weren't looking like they were going well.
  • NeanderthalNeanderthal Member RarePosts: 1,861
    Iselin said:
    tidsdit said:
    I’m not surprised by this at all. If you look at the history of John Smedley, this should be no surprise. I immediately think of Everquest 3 and how they closed the development of the game because they determined that the game “wasn’t fun”. I’m not saying they’re going to close development Of New World, but John does have a track record of making poor decisions when it comes to game development. I personally feel that this was a bad move on their part to delay, only because there’s a good chance that a greater competitor (Ashes of Creation) will swallow up a large part of the targeted audience for this game. I don’t think many people are aware that these delays allow players to discover and get involved in playing or pursuing other games.
    Good try laying this on Smed but he has nothing to do with New World.

    New World is being done by the Orange County Amazon Games Studio. Smed is the head of one of their other studios, San Diego, and we don't know what they're working on although some think they're the ones doing the new LOTR game.

    AAAAAAHHHHHHHHGGGGG....I hope you're wrong.  For some irrational reason I actually had a faint glimmer of hope for the LOTR game.  But if Smedley is running the show then all hope is lost.  I'm pretty sure he doesn't even think of games as something that people are supposed to enjoy.  He just sees them as gimmicks to trick money out of suckers.
  • jimmywolfjimmywolf Member UncommonPosts: 292

    remsleep said:

    It begs the question - after the multiple delays and now another massive delay - are they really this bad at planning and project management?

    Because all the testers I've spoken to have the same feedback - "no way in hell is this ready" , and devs were 100% aware of this as well - 

    So why are repeatedly setting these completely unrealistic dates?



    think the issue is they gave too much creative freedom to whoever was producing the game while same time asking them you can do it in X time right? so it was rushed to meet deadlines then looked at after and realized it was done half baked.


    am sure their was lot of it was his fault, her fault, on why it in this state but hopefully they put their foot down and got serous about making a good game not just a product to sell. their like what 5 mmo's been working on behind the scene that that are going on 5 years +, would like one of them to come out and feel like it was not just another generic MMO and they made the next one worth playing.



  • CelciusCelcius Member RarePosts: 1,873

    Alomar said:

    Should have just released Old World, the pvp-centric Alpha version of the game, already and delayed New World, the PvE-centric one they keep delaying as if it's some sudden surprise they don't have pve content. That's too big of a second delay for me to keep blindly supporting them, cancelling my pre-order.



    Imagine thinking a sandbox pvp only mmo can do well enough for a company as big as Amazon to deem it a success in 2020. They are making the game for more then just you and I am pretty sure the game will be better off without you if you don't have the patience for them to actually make the game better by delaying it.
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  • TheocritusTheocritus Member LegendaryPosts: 9,813
    The problem I have with companies like Amazon is they appeal to the masses...i don't want that in a game....I want unique, not an attempt at a money making clone.
  • CelciusCelcius Member RarePosts: 1,873
    remsleep said:
    Celcius said:

    Alomar said:

    Should have just released Old World, the pvp-centric Alpha version of the game, already and delayed New World, the PvE-centric one they keep delaying as if it's some sudden surprise they don't have pve content. That's too big of a second delay for me to keep blindly supporting them, cancelling my pre-order.



    Imagine thinking a sandbox pvp only mmo can do well enough for a company as big as Amazon to deem it a success in 2020. They are making the game for more then just you and I am pretty sure the game will be better off without you if you don't have the patience for them to actually make the game better by delaying it.

    Every delay makes a gap between cost vs profit that much wider.

    And I hope that people realize Amazon is very tight with their budget and is not operating like "we have infinite money" model that so many people believe is how they run their game studio segment.

    So after each delay the cost of development gets bigger which means the game will need to be even more profitable to recoup the cost - and yes Amazon like every successful business is tracking every cent here

    At some point though the delays can add up to so much that its better to kill the project and cut losses than to continue spending money at the risk of never making a profit.

    So keep that in mind - every delay puts more pressure to make the game even more profitable, and makes the project more in danger of getting the plug pulled

    And this isnt the first delay for New World.


    So in the end - let's stop sugar coating how delays are good- they are not, they are a huge additional cost and they just put a even more pressure on the dev team to deliver a highly profitable product - so this is just a huge amount of stress on the dev team.

    But hey gamers are like - delays are great, yeah they are just going to make a better game - yay, I am the only one that matters - yay. Who cares if the devs have to spend weekends at work for the next six months and risk wrecking their family lives, not seeing their kids and putting a huge strain on their marriage - because the game will be better for me.

    Yay!

    Remember there is always a downside.

    Yeah because if they didn't delay it, it would obviously have been great! Sure, it costs more money to delay a game, but as arguably the most legendary figure in video games once said "A delayed game is eventually good, but a rushed game is forever bad." -Shigeru Miyamoto
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  • SovrathSovrath Member LegendaryPosts: 32,193
    The problem I have with companies like Amazon is they appeal to the masses...i don't want that in a game....I want unique, not an attempt at a money making clone.

    Is this really a clone?

    I think it suffers more from the developers having a vision and realizing that vision might not make its money back so "change course, change course!!!"
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  • NyghthowlerNyghthowler Member UncommonPosts: 392
    remsleep said:
    Celcius said:

    Alomar said:

    Should have just released Old World, the pvp-centric Alpha version of the game, already and delayed New World, the PvE-centric one they keep delaying as if it's some sudden surprise they don't have pve content. That's too big of a second delay for me to keep blindly supporting them, cancelling my pre-order.



    Imagine thinking a sandbox pvp only mmo can do well enough for a company as big as Amazon to deem it a success in 2020. They are making the game for more then just you and I am pretty sure the game will be better off without you if you don't have the patience for them to actually make the game better by delaying it.

    Every delay makes a gap between cost vs profit that much wider.

    And I hope that people realize Amazon is very tight with their budget and is not operating like "we have infinite money" model that so many people believe is how they run their game studio segment.

    So after each delay the cost of development gets bigger which means the game will need to be even more profitable to recoup the cost - and yes Amazon like every successful business is tracking every cent here

    At some point though the delays can add up to so much that its better to kill the project and cut losses than to continue spending money at the risk of never making a profit.

    So keep that in mind - every delay puts more pressure to make the game even more profitable, and makes the project more in danger of getting the plug pulled

    And this isnt the first delay for New World.


    So in the end - let's stop sugar coating how delays are good- they are not, they are a huge additional cost and they just put a even more pressure on the dev team to deliver a highly profitable product - so this is just a huge amount of stress on the dev team.

    But hey gamers are like - delays are great, yeah they are just going to make a better game - yay, I am the only one that matters - yay. Who cares if the devs have to spend weekends at work for the next six months and risk wrecking their family lives, not seeing their kids and putting a huge strain on their marriage - because the game will be better for me.

    Yay!

    Remember there is always a downside.
    Unless the delays are planned all along. As we keep discussing in other threads the MMORPG market is flooded with games, and MMOs takea long time to develop. A lot of the excitement wears off the longer it takes, and it can be hard to keep finding new tidbits of info to renew that lost excitement.

    New World is constantly being reported on and discussed  because of the 'delays'. Also, they seem to be garnishing a great deal of goodwill for being willing to push back the release date to 'make a better game' for the customers.
    You can't buy publicity like this.


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  • MendelMendel Member LegendaryPosts: 5,609
    remsleep said:
    Celcius said:
    remsleep said:
    Celcius said:

    Alomar said:

    Should have just released Old World, the pvp-centric Alpha version of the game, already and delayed New World, the PvE-centric one they keep delaying as if it's some sudden surprise they don't have pve content. That's too big of a second delay for me to keep blindly supporting them, cancelling my pre-order.



    Imagine thinking a sandbox pvp only mmo can do well enough for a company as big as Amazon to deem it a success in 2020. They are making the game for more then just you and I am pretty sure the game will be better off without you if you don't have the patience for them to actually make the game better by delaying it.

    Every delay makes a gap between cost vs profit that much wider.

    And I hope that people realize Amazon is very tight with their budget and is not operating like "we have infinite money" model that so many people believe is how they run their game studio segment.

    So after each delay the cost of development gets bigger which means the game will need to be even more profitable to recoup the cost - and yes Amazon like every successful business is tracking every cent here

    At some point though the delays can add up to so much that its better to kill the project and cut losses than to continue spending money at the risk of never making a profit.

    So keep that in mind - every delay puts more pressure to make the game even more profitable, and makes the project more in danger of getting the plug pulled

    And this isnt the first delay for New World.


    So in the end - let's stop sugar coating how delays are good- they are not, they are a huge additional cost and they just put a even more pressure on the dev team to deliver a highly profitable product - so this is just a huge amount of stress on the dev team.

    But hey gamers are like - delays are great, yeah they are just going to make a better game - yay, I am the only one that matters - yay. Who cares if the devs have to spend weekends at work for the next six months and risk wrecking their family lives, not seeing their kids and putting a huge strain on their marriage - because the game will be better for me.

    Yay!

    Remember there is always a downside.

    Yeah because if they didn't delay it, it would obviously have been great! Sure, it costs more money to delay a game, but as arguably the most legendary figure in video games once said "A delayed game is eventually good, but a rushed game is forever bad." -Shigeru Miyamoto

    Please dont misunderstand that I am even suggesting that not delaying would have made it a good game. 

    Just saying that delays are not something we should be praising or speaking like it's a positive thing. 

    Sure they had to delay - but it's still not a good thing



    Delays are evil, I agree.  But the reason for a delay can be that the game was announced too soon.  If I had a voice in a company's ear, be patient with the developers and keep your game under wraps until it's a month from the delivery date.  Delays are kept from the public eye, and potential customers won't become disappointed.



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  • BloodaxesBloodaxes Member EpicPosts: 4,662
    Let's also not forget many games had delays this year due to the pandemic as well.
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  • WedlenWedlen Member UncommonPosts: 146
    I dont have high hopes for this game. If they made the game think there was enough content then feedback in beta was not enough content. then they obviously dont know what they are doing to make a great game. oh well. i guess time will tell.
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