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Very Interesting Article on the Death Penalty in MMORPGs
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How do you think game companies are so successful in building the myth of 'must have' items and legendary, epic and whatever they name the armour, weapons and other items of imaginary value.
They have studied exactly what makes people stay and play their games and even if you may think it isn't the right motivation or it is destructive, I doubt this is even a consideration. All the P2W in games especially PvP is built on the concept of achievement often at whatever cost deemed acceptable to a select few just as it is in real life.
We are straying from the topic my apologies, I was merely explaining why the death penalty in Everquest was so effective when we got side tracked.
Edited for spelling
"Purpose...An operant conditioning chamber permits experimenters to study behavior conditioning (training) by teaching a subject animal to perform certain actions (like pressing a lever) in response to specific stimuli, such as a light or sound signal. When the subject correctly performs the behavior, the chamber mechanism delivers food or other reward. In some cases, the mechanism delivers a punishment for incorrect or missing responses."
https://www.verywellmind.com/what-is-a-skinner-box-2795875
To use an example: Excalibur, is a legendary weapon, that if playing in a game about Arthur Legend, every gamer would want to be the one to get this legendary weapon, even if their name was XXbobXX.
Until I play GW2 and wonder why everyone are playing dress up. Apparently many people care about how they look.
Various games have various motives for their gear system, and cosmetics have always been a thing in MMO's.
Which also explained the massive number of Druids and Necros' in EQ.
I totally believe people when they say stuff like that by the way.. No.. No.. really.. I do, like totally believe it when people say things like that, you don't have to repeat yourself, I heard you the first time and it was enough for me.
So.. about those death pens, that obviously people who are just so epic would never know anything about..
I don't think random loot is something I would like since even if we know a certain item may drop in EQ it still could be months to get some items because I had the absolute worse luck in random groups in dungeons and lost rolls. Plus it does not drop every kill and the placeholder can spawn for hours. So it would be a bad nightmare for random loot for me.
I also feel the easy stuff in Everquest was useful in the beginning for players to at least equip themselves. I did when I first started the dungeons. It was only later when I joined a really top guild that I got the real good drops and those were allocated via DKP.
I enjoyed being in the guild and doing the raids. Although some took half a day it was fun to do it with friends.
MMORPGs in my opinion unless they are based on twitch mechanics which I suck at are not difficult games at all. Don't think any of the old games are difficult they just require a lot of patience. Some of the mechanics are arguably tedious.
That kind of open world loot drop, really made a rare item.. rare.
As for RNG, yah, had to deal with that in Trove, the whole game was all RNG, you could spend some serious time trying to get that perfect combo, but IMHO, it was nowhere near as hard as the wat EQ set up loot drops.
Instance dungeons made it a lot easier to get the named loot.
Then in games like GW2, where you could craft the stat combos you wanted, pretty much made RNG a thing of the past, and after playing a game like GW2 where the crafting was viable even at the low levels, I could see the attraction to a good crafting system over all the other ways to handle loot.
One requires dedicated work. The other just requires just requires playing any part of the game.
Now I'm not saying that's what either of you are saying. Just stating my opinion regarding hard drops.
But Trove also does a whole RNG thing, where you get random loot, with random stats, and you can even upgrade your gear (if you like the stats) and go so far as to add additional stats (RNG of course), thus making very unique items.
However with RNG, by the very nature of how RNG works, nothing can be truly unique. And even if something was rare, that does not mean it has value, just because you have never seen that combo before does not mean anyone wants it, because it could suck.
So it is not it's rarity that makes it valuable, it's how sought after that stat combo is, which of course, which of course with RNG, that combo has the same chance to happen as some perfect trash combo does, but that is typically how RNG works, when it is working right at least, that items only appear rare, because that is what you are looking for, and don't see value in combos that do not fit your build, or are not desired, even if they are just as unique.
Or at least such was how things were in Trove.
Since people told me players were collecting shit because no one had seen shit before, maybe UO players are a special breed.
In any case, your post reminds me of this image.
i have no idea if drop rates have been raised over the years, but considering that Naggy was one of the ORIGINAL 4 raid bosses of EQ... there's a possibility. that said.. the current drop rate from Nagafen is approximately 17%
keeping in mind this is open dungeon (only bright side being those who actually participated in the fight get "first dibs" to loot, so some random passer-by can't spamclick on the body as it's dying hoping to loot before the party fighting get to).. whoever hits "loot" first has full control over the one and only "chest"... and can distribute it accordingly, or swipe it all for themselves.
UO may be harsher... but the EQ system still kinda sucked
It's not a brag or a show of skill, because we were no more skilled than any other player, the difference is we didn't give a shit about being first or getting to "end game". The entire game was fun and we enjoyed it.
The point of saying this stuff is because people are saying it was "forced grouping" when it's completely false. The only one forcing you to group is yourself and the strange desire to catapult to the top as quickly as possible. This is why boring games like WoW and beyond came to fruition. They prey on that uncontrollable desire you have to be the BIGGEST AND STRONGEST AS FAST AS POSSIBLE.
There were very few pieces of content in EQ that I would consider to actually be "forced" grouping. No one is forcing you to group for normal game play. Only you not willing to risk death and insisting on leveling as fast as possible.
Lol , did you read at all it drop off any mob .. lol WTF is wrong with people