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  • BrotherMaynardBrotherMaynard Member UncommonPosts: 214

    Caspian ☁Yesterday at 6:35 PM

    My goal is for this year to be the year where we can demonstrate what we're capable of.

    Personally, I would say this is a goal for the year you first go public and launch your Kickstarter campaign.

    But that's just me, I guess...



  • ScotScot Member LegendaryPosts: 14,210
    edited February 2020
    It is the same reason for all the CF MMOs that look like there are going to take ten years to develop...biting of more than you can chew.

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  • CopperfieldCopperfield Member RarePosts: 654
    these guys of this project talk so much... without showing anything substantial

    i feel sorry for the people that backed this up... because i believe these guys are nothing more then talk
  • frostymugfrostymug Member RarePosts: 643
    Tierless said:
    So what explanation has he ever offered for his launch date being off my several years? 
    He was (on vacation/sick/spending time with family) and his team (failed/let him down/didn't follow his directions/couldn't complete anything on time), but now he's (giving up his personal time/handling things while sick) so don't worry (amazing/incredible/exciting) progress is now being made that he cannot (talk about/show) right now, but will hopefully be able to (very) soon. 
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  • goldboyy45goldboyy45 Member UncommonPosts: 248
    The honest answer as to why the game is not out yet..Caspian literally said himself...this is a learning process for him, every idea they had to make this game has proven to be unsuccessful. VoxElyria, SpatialOS, NodeJS, there is a very extensive list of things they have tried and they can't achieve the scalability they want. Currently they have nothing, Caspian said a few days ago they are doing R&D and experimenting with languages. There is no game yet and when the funds dry up you are likely to see a vast change in vision.
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  • KyleranKyleran Member LegendaryPosts: 37,025
    edited February 2020
    The honest answer as to why the game is not out yet..Caspian literally said himself...this is a learning process for him, every idea they had to make this game has proven to be unsuccessful. VoxElyria, SpatialOS, NodeJS, there is a very extensive list of things they have tried and they can't achieve the scalability they want. Currently they have nothing, Caspian said a few days ago they are doing R&D and experimenting with languages. There is no game yet and when the funds dry up you are likely to see a vast change in vision.
    Perhaps the reason he can't achieve the scalability he wants is...its just not technically possible? 

    Either this, or he just doesn't have the talent (and funding) on his team to bring it all about.


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  • Slapshot1188Slapshot1188 Member LegendaryPosts: 12,553

    Kyleran said:
    The honest answer as to why the game is not out yet..Caspian literally said himself...this is a learning process for him, every idea they had to make this game has proven to be unsuccessful. VoxElyria, SpatialOS, NodeJS, there is a very extensive list of things they have tried and they can't achieve the scalability they want. Currently they have nothing, Caspian said a few days ago they are doing R&D and experimenting with languages. There is no game yet and when the funds dry up you are likely to see a vast change in vision.
    Perhaps the reason he can't achieve the scalability he wants is...its just not technically possible? 

    Either this, or he just doesn't have the talent (and funding) on his team to bring it all about.


    Aren’t these some of the same issues that SpatialOS has struggled with?  Their funding and expertise is orders of magnitude higher than SBS.  Can 3 guys reading up on solutions on the internet really solve what Improbable has struggled with?
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  • MendelMendel Member EpicPosts: 4,242
    Kyleran said:
    The honest answer as to why the game is not out yet..Caspian literally said himself...this is a learning process for him, every idea they had to make this game has proven to be unsuccessful. VoxElyria, SpatialOS, NodeJS, there is a very extensive list of things they have tried and they can't achieve the scalability they want. Currently they have nothing, Caspian said a few days ago they are doing R&D and experimenting with languages. There is no game yet and when the funds dry up you are likely to see a vast change in vision.
    Perhaps the reason he can't achieve the scalability he wants is...its just not technically possible? 

    Either this, or he just doesn't have the talent (and funding) on his team to bring it all about.



    It might also be possible that someone isn't willing to accept that he and his team can't solve problems that have stymied others.  Pride goes before a fall.



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  • TorrskTorrsk Member UncommonPosts: 295
    Mendel said:
    Kyleran said:
    The honest answer as to why the game is not out yet..Caspian literally said himself...this is a learning process for him, every idea they had to make this game has proven to be unsuccessful. VoxElyria, SpatialOS, NodeJS, there is a very extensive list of things they have tried and they can't achieve the scalability they want. Currently they have nothing, Caspian said a few days ago they are doing R&D and experimenting with languages. There is no game yet and when the funds dry up you are likely to see a vast change in vision.
    Perhaps the reason he can't achieve the scalability he wants is...its just not technically possible? 

    Either this, or he just doesn't have the talent (and funding) on his team to bring it all about.



    It might also be possible that someone isn't willing to accept that he and his team can't solve problems that have stymied others.  Pride goes before a fall.



    SBS has said time and again how making DSS/the maps was first in gaming ever. While no idea if anyone has even made a map like theirs before. Why they think it's a good idea to make 4 of them. 

    Off that, I doubt he would ever admit that he can't do something. His pride is all consuming. That is proved that nothing is ever his fault and he always blames his team. Not once, from my knowledge, has he ever taken responsibility. All he ever says is "you deserve better". Yet he doesn't act any better. He is like the girlfriend that keeps cheating on you, while keeps saying "I promise I will change". Nope time to drop his lying ass.
    Gdemami
  • goldboyy45goldboyy45 Member UncommonPosts: 248
    Torrsk said:
    Mendel said:
    Kyleran said:
    The honest answer as to why the game is not out yet..Caspian literally said himself...this is a learning process for him, every idea they had to make this game has proven to be unsuccessful. VoxElyria, SpatialOS, NodeJS, there is a very extensive list of things they have tried and they can't achieve the scalability they want. Currently they have nothing, Caspian said a few days ago they are doing R&D and experimenting with languages. There is no game yet and when the funds dry up you are likely to see a vast change in vision.
    Perhaps the reason he can't achieve the scalability he wants is...its just not technically possible? 

    Either this, or he just doesn't have the talent (and funding) on his team to bring it all about.



    It might also be possible that someone isn't willing to accept that he and his team can't solve problems that have stymied others.  Pride goes before a fall.



    SBS has said time and again how making DSS/the maps was first in gaming ever. While no idea if anyone has even made a map like theirs before. Why they think it's a good idea to make 4 of them. 

    Off that, I doubt he would ever admit that he can't do something. His pride is all consuming. That is proved that nothing is ever his fault and he always blames his team. Not once, from my knowledge, has he ever taken responsibility. All he ever says is "you deserve better". Yet he doesn't act any better. He is like the girlfriend that keeps cheating on you, while keeps saying "I promise I will change". Nope time to drop his lying ass.
    Well said, i agree 100% with that, and i've been a part of the CoE community for many years. What I can't understand is how an individual can go to bed, knowing you said one thing and then abandoned it. One example: Caspian said multiple times that the state of Elyria will be in December...a couple months pass and here we are...with a snap of the fingers he changes it to "now we will release it after settlers is back online"
  • KyleranKyleran Member LegendaryPosts: 37,025
    Torrsk said:
    Mendel said:
    Kyleran said:
    The honest answer as to why the game is not out yet..Caspian literally said himself...this is a learning process for him, every idea they had to make this game has proven to be unsuccessful. VoxElyria, SpatialOS, NodeJS, there is a very extensive list of things they have tried and they can't achieve the scalability they want. Currently they have nothing, Caspian said a few days ago they are doing R&D and experimenting with languages. There is no game yet and when the funds dry up you are likely to see a vast change in vision.
    Perhaps the reason he can't achieve the scalability he wants is...its just not technically possible? 

    Either this, or he just doesn't have the talent (and funding) on his team to bring it all about.



    It might also be possible that someone isn't willing to accept that he and his team can't solve problems that have stymied others.  Pride goes before a fall.



    SBS has said time and again how making DSS/the maps was first in gaming ever. While no idea if anyone has even made a map like theirs before. Why they think it's a good idea to make 4 of them. 

    Off that, I doubt he would ever admit that he can't do something. His pride is all consuming. That is proved that nothing is ever his fault and he always blames his team. Not once, from my knowledge, has he ever taken responsibility. All he ever says is "you deserve better". Yet he doesn't act any better. He is like the girlfriend that keeps cheating on you, while keeps saying "I promise I will change". Nope time to drop his lying ass.
    Well said, i agree 100% with that, and i've been a part of the CoE community for many years. What I can't understand is how an individual can go to bed, knowing you said one thing and then abandoned it. One example: Caspian said multiple times that the state of Elyria will be in December...a couple months pass and here we are...with a snap of the fingers he changes it to "now we will release it after settlers is back online"
    And true to form they've gone totally dark on the status of SOE.

    Maybe they are porting it to Rust or something.
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  • TierlessTierless ColumnistMember EpicPosts: 3,379
    Tierless said:
    So what explanation has he ever offered for his launch date being off my several years? 
    The last state of elyria from March 2019 stated Pre-Elyria should be completed around the end of summer 2019. That deadline has since passed, Caspian has not said why this was delayed or the current status of it. 

    December 2019, Caspian said he would release a state of elyria around the 3rd week of December of 2019 detailing the roadmap for the project.

    2 Months later, Caspian has not released the write up.

    You can extrapolate from that
    I can extrapolate that it is on par with all of the behavior I have seen from him. 
    But not all men seek rest and peace; some are born with the spirit of the storm in their blood, restless harbingers, knowing no other path.
  • TierlessTierless ColumnistMember EpicPosts: 3,379

    Caspian ☁Yesterday at 6:35 PM

    My goal is for this year to be the year where we can demonstrate what we're capable of. To reach out and grab the crown. I anticipate we've got a lot of battles to fight this year. But my team and I aren't backing down. We aren't giving up. We're going to work to create a product we're proud of, that our backers are excited about, and rise above the imagine we created for ourselves last year. This year won't be easy. But it'll be worth it.

    Caspian ☁Yesterday at 6:32 PM

    I mentioned a week or so ago that I have a personal theme song each year to help inspire me. Last year's theme song was Thunder, by Imagine Dragons. This year my theme song is RISE by League of Legends. There's so much to the lyrics of that song that rings true to me right now.
    We arent backing down, we arent giving up.

    Not exactly the kind of words that would give me confidence.

    It’s almost as if there was the word “yet” missing at the end of that sentence.

    I am of the opinion that there is a decent likelihood that this product will either not be finished or it will be just a shell of what they defined as their objective.
    Who is that a photo of?
    But not all men seek rest and peace; some are born with the spirit of the storm in their blood, restless harbingers, knowing no other path.
  • goldboyy45goldboyy45 Member UncommonPosts: 248
    Kyleran said:
    Torrsk said:
    Mendel said:
    Kyleran said:
    The honest answer as to why the game is not out yet..Caspian literally said himself...this is a learning process for him, every idea they had to make this game has proven to be unsuccessful. VoxElyria, SpatialOS, NodeJS, there is a very extensive list of things they have tried and they can't achieve the scalability they want. Currently they have nothing, Caspian said a few days ago they are doing R&D and experimenting with languages. There is no game yet and when the funds dry up you are likely to see a vast change in vision.
    Perhaps the reason he can't achieve the scalability he wants is...its just not technically possible? 

    Either this, or he just doesn't have the talent (and funding) on his team to bring it all about.



    It might also be possible that someone isn't willing to accept that he and his team can't solve problems that have stymied others.  Pride goes before a fall.



    SBS has said time and again how making DSS/the maps was first in gaming ever. While no idea if anyone has even made a map like theirs before. Why they think it's a good idea to make 4 of them. 

    Off that, I doubt he would ever admit that he can't do something. His pride is all consuming. That is proved that nothing is ever his fault and he always blames his team. Not once, from my knowledge, has he ever taken responsibility. All he ever says is "you deserve better". Yet he doesn't act any better. He is like the girlfriend that keeps cheating on you, while keeps saying "I promise I will change". Nope time to drop his lying ass.
    Well said, i agree 100% with that, and i've been a part of the CoE community for many years. What I can't understand is how an individual can go to bed, knowing you said one thing and then abandoned it. One example: Caspian said multiple times that the state of Elyria will be in December...a couple months pass and here we are...with a snap of the fingers he changes it to "now we will release it after settlers is back online"
    And true to form they've gone totally dark on the status of SOE.

    Maybe they are porting it to Rust or something.

    Explain to me how a web based event is holding up a document which will summerize the entirety of the project.

  • WizardryWizardry Member LegendaryPosts: 18,381
    I want to help you people out moving forward.
    Stop wasting your time discussing this pile of code.Just look elsewhere and if some day this team has a finished product then we can decipher it's worth...value.

    Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.

  • Slapshot1188Slapshot1188 Member LegendaryPosts: 12,553
    Kyleran said:
    Torrsk said:
    Mendel said:
    Kyleran said:
    The honest answer as to why the game is not out yet..Caspian literally said himself...this is a learning process for him, every idea they had to make this game has proven to be unsuccessful. VoxElyria, SpatialOS, NodeJS, there is a very extensive list of things they have tried and they can't achieve the scalability they want. Currently they have nothing, Caspian said a few days ago they are doing R&D and experimenting with languages. There is no game yet and when the funds dry up you are likely to see a vast change in vision.
    Perhaps the reason he can't achieve the scalability he wants is...its just not technically possible? 

    Either this, or he just doesn't have the talent (and funding) on his team to bring it all about.



    It might also be possible that someone isn't willing to accept that he and his team can't solve problems that have stymied others.  Pride goes before a fall.



    SBS has said time and again how making DSS/the maps was first in gaming ever. While no idea if anyone has even made a map like theirs before. Why they think it's a good idea to make 4 of them. 

    Off that, I doubt he would ever admit that he can't do something. His pride is all consuming. That is proved that nothing is ever his fault and he always blames his team. Not once, from my knowledge, has he ever taken responsibility. All he ever says is "you deserve better". Yet he doesn't act any better. He is like the girlfriend that keeps cheating on you, while keeps saying "I promise I will change". Nope time to drop his lying ass.
    Well said, i agree 100% with that, and i've been a part of the CoE community for many years. What I can't understand is how an individual can go to bed, knowing you said one thing and then abandoned it. One example: Caspian said multiple times that the state of Elyria will be in December...a couple months pass and here we are...with a snap of the fingers he changes it to "now we will release it after settlers is back online"
    And true to form they've gone totally dark on the status of SOE.

    Maybe they are porting it to Rust or something.

    Explain to me how a web based event is holding up a document which will summerize the entirety of the project.

    Well I think he started to write it and give us an update on the 0.5 version which I think was due like a year ago, but then he realized it was constantly outdated because by the time it was finished they had moved onto researching something else...

    In all seriousness though...  what could he write?  Something like  "All the stuff I said would happen last year pretty much didn't happen, just like the year before...  We uhh... launched some sales, screwed up some other sales, found out that our whole backend has to be scrapped... But on the plus side I am writing a Mission Statement based on the Leadership By Numbers book I got for Christmas?  Oh yeah, also on the plus side while I was playing League of Legends instead of running my company I found this really neat song called RISE and it's going to motivate me to be better this year!"?




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    Starvault's reponse to criticism related to having a handful of players as the official "test" team for a supposed MMO: "We've just have another 10ish folk kind enough to voulenteer added tot the test team" (SIC) This explains much about the state of the game :-)

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  • goldboyy45goldboyy45 Member UncommonPosts: 248
    Kyleran said:
    Torrsk said:
    Mendel said:
    Kyleran said:
    The honest answer as to why the game is not out yet..Caspian literally said himself...this is a learning process for him, every idea they had to make this game has proven to be unsuccessful. VoxElyria, SpatialOS, NodeJS, there is a very extensive list of things they have tried and they can't achieve the scalability they want. Currently they have nothing, Caspian said a few days ago they are doing R&D and experimenting with languages. There is no game yet and when the funds dry up you are likely to see a vast change in vision.
    Perhaps the reason he can't achieve the scalability he wants is...its just not technically possible? 

    Either this, or he just doesn't have the talent (and funding) on his team to bring it all about.



    It might also be possible that someone isn't willing to accept that he and his team can't solve problems that have stymied others.  Pride goes before a fall.



    SBS has said time and again how making DSS/the maps was first in gaming ever. While no idea if anyone has even made a map like theirs before. Why they think it's a good idea to make 4 of them. 

    Off that, I doubt he would ever admit that he can't do something. His pride is all consuming. That is proved that nothing is ever his fault and he always blames his team. Not once, from my knowledge, has he ever taken responsibility. All he ever says is "you deserve better". Yet he doesn't act any better. He is like the girlfriend that keeps cheating on you, while keeps saying "I promise I will change". Nope time to drop his lying ass.
    Well said, i agree 100% with that, and i've been a part of the CoE community for many years. What I can't understand is how an individual can go to bed, knowing you said one thing and then abandoned it. One example: Caspian said multiple times that the state of Elyria will be in December...a couple months pass and here we are...with a snap of the fingers he changes it to "now we will release it after settlers is back online"
    And true to form they've gone totally dark on the status of SOE.

    Maybe they are porting it to Rust or something.

    Explain to me how a web based event is holding up a document which will summerize the entirety of the project.

    Well I think he started to write it and give us an update on the 0.5 version which I think was due like a year ago, but then he realized it was constantly outdated because by the time it was finished they had moved onto researching something else...

    In all seriousness though...  what could he write?  Something like  "All the stuff I said would happen last year pretty much didn't happen, just like the year before...  We uhh... launched some sales, screwed up some other sales, found out that our whole backend has to be scrapped... But on the plus side I am writing a Mission Statement based on the Leadership By Numbers book I got for Christmas?  Oh yeah, also on the plus side while I was playing League of Legends instead of running my company I found this really neat song called RISE and it's going to motivate me to be better this year!"?




    Nothing is too complex for Caspian, as he stated this several days ago in discord. 

    Caspian ☁Last Saturday at 1:52 PM

    I'd be interested in hearing what people think is too complex for CoE. But alas, I'm finished with my breakfast. Got things to take care of! Doing a good deal more research this weekend. Maybe taking a couple breaks as well.
    Slapshot1188
  • Slapshot1188Slapshot1188 Member LegendaryPosts: 12,553





    Nothing is too complex for Caspian, as he stated this several days ago in discord. 

    Caspian ☁Last Saturday at 1:52 PM

    I'd be interested in hearing what people think is too complex for CoE. But alas, I'm finished with my breakfast. Got things to take care of! Doing a good deal more research this weekend. Maybe taking a couple breaks as well.
    OK...

    I got nothin...
    That is simply amazing.  Each sentence is a Masterpiece.  

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  • DeveronDeveron Member UncommonPosts: 60
    It‘s reminding me more of
    https://youtu.be/ohDB5gbtaEQ
    than the office, at least from a customer‘s point of view. 
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  • DiscordsOfElyriaDiscordsOfElyria Newbie CommonPosts: 8
    D E L U S I O N A L
    No, we are in pre-alpha right now. There is no release date for neither beta nor alpha. Given the track record of the studio, they can't help but being over optimistic on release dates... so I think it is the right move not to make their own estimate public.
  • BladeburaibaBladeburaiba Member UncommonPosts: 121
    At what point does GW Bush's "Fool me once, shame on you...fool me twice......well you can't get fooled again!" apply?

    Can we even honestly be mad at the developer for taking the money?  At this point, the ones giving the money and support are the criminals.
  • AmatheAmathe Member LegendaryPosts: 7,630
    This thread ought to be stickied, as it will be relevant for a long time to come.
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