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HuntrezzHuntrezz Member UncommonPosts: 92
My computer is on its last days and I am in need of a new gaming rig.  I need to think about now and the future as I will not be able to put any money onto any new computer I buy for 2-3 years.  Please keep in mind I don't have the skill set to build one on my own, so I need to have an all in one.  I did try a build you own but I came up significantly higher than the two I listed below, thanks. Keeping this in mind, I have listed the following below that barely fit into my budget.  Please let me know what you think.  Please feel free to offer suggestions and anything else you feel relevant.  

https://smile.amazon.com/HP-Obelisk-Computer-Hexa-Core-Bluetooth/dp/B07V3LTYT6/ref=sr_1_25?keywords=desktop+computer+GeForce+RTX+2080&qid=1577638421&s=electronics&sr=1-25

https://smile.amazon.com/SkyTech-Legacy-II-Computer-Desktop/dp/B07Y3X86TZ/ref=sr_1_18?keywords=desktop+computer+GeForce+RTX+2080&qid=1577638421&s=electronics&sr=1-18

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  • Sal1Sal1 Member UncommonPosts: 401
    May I suggest you post this in the Hardware section of the forums. There are many knowledgeable people that read and post in that section.
    Quizzical
  • VrikaVrika Member EpicPosts: 6,708
    edited December 2019
    I'd recommend something like this:

    https://pcpartpicker.com/list/fZMdq3

    It's at the moment $830 after rebates (operating system not included). Since you're on limited budget I tried to pick cheap parts that would still give you good performance:

     -GPU: If you don't have unlimited budget you don't need to go for the ray-tracing capability of NVidia's RTX cards. Something like AMD's RX 5700 gives much better price/performance ratio without the ray-tracing capacity

     -CPU: 6 core Ryzen 3600x is both decently priced and fast. After that getting a processor that does faster in gaming use would require a lot of extra money for only small gains

     -RAM: RAM is working memory of your computer. You want to have enough to hold everything the computer is running at the time, but extra RAM just sits unused and doesn't help at all. At the moment best choice is 16 GB. For best speed you'll need to have a kit of two, so 2 x 8GB RAM modules. The faster those modules are the better, but going for super-fast and expensive modules isn't worth the price. Some cheap 3 000 Mhz or 3 200 Mhz RAM is usually best

     -HDD: Nvme SSDs are getting cheap enough that you can get 1 TB of space at around $100. If you want more than 1 TB of hard disk space then you should look for combination of HDD (which is slow) + fast SSD for operating system and most commonly used stuff, but for most of us a 1 TB nvme SSD is enough space to hold everything on one drive

     -PSU: When buying PSU make sure that it's at least 80+ Bronze rated. Also 80+ Silver, 80+ Gold, 80 Platinum etc. are good. If it's not rated at all then it's crap. The PSU should have something like 30% - 50% extra wattage compared to what the computer needs to be on the safe side and have room for future possible upgrades, but don't go overboard with the wattage. The rating tells you about the quality of PSU, the wattage doesn't tell. The PSU I picked for my list is there because it's super-cheap, not because it would be that good.
    Gdemami
     
  • QuizzicalQuizzical Member LegendaryPosts: 22,687
    Sal1 is right.  Putting a request like this in the hardware section is more likely to get it in front of the people you want to see it.  I wouldn't have seen it if it didn't happen to be the most recent thread in the general gaming section.  The hardware section is here:

    https://forums.mmorpg.com/categories/hardware

    But anyway, if you can't or won't build your own, the next best thing is getting one built to order.  On a tight budget like $500, that might be hard to do, but once your budget goes over $1000, it's a lot easier.

    Anyway, I tried going here and largely following the special deals that seemed reasonable:

    https://www.cyberpowerpc.com/system/AMD-Ryzen-7X-Configurator

    The changes that I made from the default were:

    Chassis:  CyberPower Onyxia
    CPU:  Ryzen 5 3600
    CPU cooler:  CoolerMaster Hyper 212 EVO
    Motherboard:  Gigabyte X570 UD
    Video card:  Radeon RX 5700 XT
    Power supply:  Thermaltake Smart 600 W
    Hard drive:  whatever the cheapest mechanical drive is
    SSD freebie:  yes, you want that

    That comes to $1203, which is quite a bit cheaper than your Amazon links.  About how the hardware would compare to your two links is:

    CPU:  Significantly faster cores than the SkyTech computer, but fewer of them.  It might still be faster just about across the board because a Ryzen 7 2700 will have to throttle so far back to keep everything inside 65 W when you're pushing all eight cores hard.  As compared to the HP, it will probably be a little slower on single-threaded performance, but a lot faster on multi-threaded, as the more efficient architecture can clock a lot higher inside of 65 W when you push a lot of CPU cores.

    CPU cooler:  Significantly better CPU cooler, which matters for Ryzen systems, as that will allow the CPU to clock higher.  The SkyTech computer has the AMD stock cooler, which is decent, and the HP computer obscures it, but probably has the Intel stock cooler, which is awful.

    Motherboard:  Probably a significantly better motherboard.  The HP motherboard is almost certainly some awful cheap junk that you don't want.  SkyTech doesn't have large enough volume to commission their own largely bare motherboards like HP does, but I could just about guarantee that it's not an X570 motherboard with the full upgrade path that you'd want.  The HP computer has no realistic CPU upgrade path other than replacing the computer outright.

    Memory:  They all have 16 GB of DDR4, but the one I linked above clocks it higher.  It also has two 8 GB modules, not a single 16 GB module, as vendors may sometimes do if it's cheaper.  You want two memory modules to be able to use both memory channels, and neither SkyTech nor HP say if they do that.  The SkyTech computer says in one place that it uses DDR3, but that's surely wrong, as no motherboard will accept both DDR3 and a Ryzen CPU.

    Video card:  Slightly slower than the SkyTech computer, and significantly slower than the HP.  This is the main place that I saved money, and why the computer comes out about $200 cheaper in spite of otherwise being substantially better.  But a Radeon RX 5700 XT is still quite a fast video card, and I went with it because I didn't like CyberPower PC's relative pricing on their GeForce cards.

    Power supply:  Likely to be significantly better than either of the Amazon computers.  A Thermaltake Smart power supply isn't great, but it's not bad, either.  The rule of thumb is that if a company won't tell you which power supply they're using, it's because the power supply is bad.

    Storage:  Twice as much SSD space than the HP computer, while only half as much SSD space as the SkyTech, but you also get a hard drive.  A 512 GB NVMe SSD plus a 1 TB hard drive isn't usually what I'd recommend, but they priced it so that that's only $3 more than a 480 GB SATA SSD with no hard drive.  You could also upgrade the hard drive to 2 TB for another $16 if you need the space.
  • BartondBartond Newbie CommonPosts: 6
    why do you need that GPU? i can run all games with gtx 1080p
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