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Star Citizen Squadron 42 2019 Visuals Trailer Provides Ultrawide Highlight Reel

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  • goboygogoboygo Member RarePosts: 2,140

    OG_Zorvan said:

    And not a single fuck was given, not even by the mouse.



    Are you now the spokesperson for every gamer on the planet?
  • Octagon7711Octagon7711 Member LegendaryPosts: 8,967
    edited December 2019
    wiroxe said:
    The problem with people nowadays is that they want a game to be released asap when the devs first announce it. If not, then "it must be a Scam!" <--- nonsense!

    I've been tracking this game all the way back to when they announced the kickstarter, and if you know where Chris Robert is coming from and have played his previous titles such as the Wing Commander-series, then you'd know by now that he isn't well known for being a person who would take your money just for the fun of it.

    I can understand that people want to see a full release of the game since it has been developed for +7 years by now. But, can any of you out there mention atleast one game-title that is fully released that has the same graphics and gameplay as SC does at its current state? Look through the roadmaps and dev-logs on their website and see for yourself what is coming next. Perhaps you'll have abit more understanding of what they have actually accomplished throughout the years!

    Now, Squadron 42 isn't really ready to be released to Alpha yet, and it's somewhat different since they want to complete enough chapters (currently planned 28 chapters) to keep you guys occupied while they're ready to release another one. SQ42 is Scheduled to be out on alpha Q2 2020 (July) and Beta-release at Q3 2020 (september).

    The solution to your problem with "it is a SCAM, don't buy it cause it will never be fully released!" <-- is simple. Don't buy a pledge-package if you think that it is a scam and ignore the game!?

    I, on the other hand, have only purchased a few ships and bought a pledge-package to the total cost of $210. But I will continue supporting the CIG-devteam as a subscriber just because I like what they do and what they've done throughout the years.
    SQ42, who really believes they will make that schedule?  Fool me four times, shame on me.
    NorseGod

    "We all do the best we can based on life experience, point of view, and our ability to believe in ourselves." - Naropa      "We don't see things as they are, we see them as we are."  SR Covey

  • gervaise1gervaise1 Member EpicPosts: 6,919
    MacAllen said:

    Luiden said:

    It feels like half the money is spent on marketing that is focused on trying to show that this game is not a scam.



    Actually no money is spent on marketing, yet. They make videos internally and publish them on Youtube or Twitch. No ads anywhere, no commercials, no magazines. They have internal conventions that ticket sales pay for. When SQ42 gets closer I expect that to change of course, given the cast it has.
    As far as ads go yes - at least I am not aware of any.

    However their recently published financials for 2018 gave the quote costs for marketing unquote as $9M - costs which included the server (for the alpha), the website, Citizencon and the 77 staff (think it was 77).

    They also said that they spent a lot more on marketing in 2018 as a result of the equity investment. (Costs for previous years also available).

    Server costs as marketing? It actually makes sense. I have always felt it was the best marketing WoW did. Probably true for SC as well - let people check it out for themselves during the trials.


    I suspect - but don't know - that the reason for breaking out the marketing costs is so they can be set against the equity investment (which was said to be for marketing).

    This way it will be "drawn down" gradually. And the amount that can be "reclaimed" by the investors will reduce - there have to be conditions attached (to avoid cut & run). 
    Octagon7711Erillion
  • GdemamiGdemami Member EpicPosts: 12,182
    MacAllen said:
    Actually no money is spent on marketing, yet.
    ...considering crowdfunding being naturaly reliant on marketing and in case of SC, the term "marketing driven" was brought up to new, to date unseen, level, saying "no money is spent on marketing" is silly absurd...
  • MaxBaconMaxBacon Member EpicPosts: 7,275
    edited December 2019
    Gdemami said:
    MacAllen said:
    Actually no money is spent on marketing, yet.
    ...considering crowdfunding being naturaly reliant on marketing and in case of SC, the term "marketing driven" was brought up to new, to date unseen, level, saying "no money is spent on marketing" is silly absurd...
    The nature of the crowdfunding, and the development of the game markets itself for the most part.

    Releasing a dev update video showcasing an upcoming feature or so, is something is the very core of what drives SC, it fulfills community update and it promotes at the same time. That stuff is what brought most visibility to SC, not the traditional marketing paid ads/promotion content.

    Even when they do large marketing stuff, like with the conferences with Intel, AMD, etc... They get those companies to actually sponsor the events.

    They've done it quite well really, instead of spending fortunes into the traditional thing to get visibility, they use what they already do with the game dev, updates, etc... to be their marketing, and it just works.


    This is not exclusive to SC, it is in fact the standard way game companies without large marketing budgets get their visibility.
    Erillion
  • gervaise1gervaise1 Member EpicPosts: 6,919
    Gdemami said:
    MacAllen said:
    Actually no money is spent on marketing, yet.
    ...considering crowdfunding being naturaly reliant on marketing and in case of SC, the term "marketing driven" was brought up to new, to date unseen, level, saying "no money is spent on marketing" is silly absurd...
    Absurd?

    Pre-2019 I agree stuff was done to drive funding. In context though MacAllen  was talking about "advertising". 

    Post the equity investment however - based on what has been said - no "crowdfunding money" is being spent on marketing. It is being funded by the equity investment.

    And its only a small leap to assume that as part of the equity "buy-in" past historical costs attributed to "marketing" - as broken out in the 2012-2017 financials - have also been set against the equity investment. (Not a very big sum and maybe why the 2012-2017 financials were produced)

    If so then it would be true to say that:
    "Actually no (crowd funded) money is (or has) been spent on marketing".

    So, maybe,  MacAllen  was taking into the account the impact of the equity investment. And the statement isn't absurd!

    In context though I think the comment was simply about marketing.

    (And just to re-iterate I agree with you that crowdfunding is - inevitably - driven by "marketing".)
    Gdemami
  • GdemamiGdemami Member EpicPosts: 12,182
    MaxBacon said:
    They've done it quite well really, instead of spending fortunes into the traditional thing to get visibility,
    Yep, instead they spent double of that traditional thing fortune on lackluster module release so they could get he visibility and goods to promote as early as possible...
  • GdemamiGdemami Member EpicPosts: 12,182
    gervaise1 said:
    Absurd?
    Ineed absurd.

    Sorry, can't comment on anything else you said, it makes no sense to me.
  • MaxBaconMaxBacon Member EpicPosts: 7,275
    Gdemami said:
    MaxBacon said:
    They've done it quite well really, instead of spending fortunes into the traditional thing to get visibility,
    Yep, instead they spent double of that traditional thing fortune on lackluster module release so they could get he visibility and goods to promote as early as possible...
    Developing the game and releasing updates is not marketing, it has an obvious marketing impact as self-promotion, but that IS the product, that money has to be considered part of dev budget. 
    Gdemami
  • GdemamiGdemami Member EpicPosts: 12,182
    edited December 2019
    MaxBacon said:
    Developing the game
    ..when the development is violated to primarily fulfill marketing goals, it's laughable to pretend it isn't marketing.
    Post edited by Gdemami on
  • MaxBaconMaxBacon Member EpicPosts: 7,275
    Gdemami said:
    MaxBacon said:
    Developing the game
    ..if the development is violated to fulfill marketing goals, it's laughable to pretend it isn't marketing.
    The fact the game is early access does not make it marketing instead of development, that simply changes some of how the game develops to co-exist with a continuous live service.


    As seen with many titles who faced or are in early access, you're exaggerating to the level of "one or the other" when this stuff simply co-exists well for the most part.
    Gdemami
  • GdemamiGdemami Member EpicPosts: 12,182
    MaxBacon said:
    The fact the game is early access does not make it marketing instead of development, that simply changes some of how the game develops to co-exist with a continuous live service.


    As seen with many titles who faced or are in early access, you're exaggerating to the level of "one or the other" when this stuff simply co-exists well for the most part.
    ...why are you talking about early access?
  • gervaise1gervaise1 Member EpicPosts: 6,919
    Gdemami said:
    gervaise1 said:
    Absurd?
    Ineed absurd.

    Sorry, can't comment on anything else you said, it makes no sense to me.
    No sense? Or don't want to understand? 

    First remember that I do agree with your comment that marketing is needed to raise funds. Even if, as I suggested, the comment you responded to was about advertising and not marketing in the bigger sense.

    So - lets break down what I added in super simple steps:

    1. Outside investors put up money for a % of the company.
    Money they - not RSI - said was for marketing. With me so far?

    2. So in 2018 all the marketing will have been "charged" to the equity investment. No crowd funding money used. Think of it there being 2 bank accounts. Still with me?

    3. Marketing costs for 2012-2017 were broken out in the 2012 - 2017 financials. Not got to complicated I hope yet.

    4. Now - an assumption on my part but a reasonable one I feel. Nor had they previously broken anything out / provided detailed costs.

    If these prior costs were set against the equity investment - a transfer if you like from the equity investment account into the crowd funded account - then that would mean that $0 (zero) crowd funding money will have been used for marketing.



    And so there you are. 

    Sorry it was to complicated to understand. If its still to hard I will break out the crayons.
    Gdemamibotrytis
  • GdemamiGdemami Member EpicPosts: 12,182
    edited January 1
    gervaise1 said:
    Even if, as I suggested, the comment you responded to was about advertising and not marketing in the bigger sense.
    The claim was clear: Actually no money is spent on marketing, yet.

    You are arguing something that was never said nor disputed.
    Post edited by Gdemami on
    botrytis
  • gervaise1gervaise1 Member EpicPosts: 6,919
    edited January 4
    Gdemami said:
    gervaise1 said:
    Even if, as I suggested, the comment you responded to was about advertising and not marketing in the bigger sense.
    The claim was clear: Actually no money is spent on marketing, yet.

    You are arguing something that was never said nor disputed.


    A word in your shell-like. Sometimes what people mean when they say something may not be the same as what you think they mean. 

    Can you see the wood for the trees? Same deal with people thinking that marketing is just advertising. It might be a piece of cake for you to get your head around the concept but it takes two to tango when having a discussion and sometimes understanding may be up in the air. And more often than not I can't be bothered breaking a leg let alone spending an arm and a leg to explain further and just feel like hitting the hay so I let things slide rather than trying to steal someones thunder. Once in a blue moon though I don't.

    So I'm going to cross my fingers and hope I have made my point. If I have bitten off more than I can chew though and this still isn't clear don't get cold feet and give me the hard shoulder.  I'm all ears if you have a change of heart and can explain further at the drop of a hat. The balls in your court on that score. 

    If I have driven you up the wall though I suspect there is fat chance so I will refrain from adding insult to injury since actions speak louder than words and call it a day without offering a penny for your thoughts. Alternatively you might be in stitches in which case I have killed two birds with one stone and you will probably respond with a LOL!

    All clear :)

    If not then maybe check out  
    https://www.amazon.com/Word-Your-Shell-Like-Nigel-Rees/dp/0007220871

    https://www.amazon.co.uk/Word-Your-Shell-Like-Nigel-Rees/dp/0007220871
    Post edited by gervaise1 on
    Gdemami
  • ArglebargleArglebargle Member RarePosts: 2,845
    Everything that CIG does publicly is marketing.  They make their money through crowdfunding.  That requires fueling the dreams of this ideal-game-for-all.   
    botrytisOctagon7711

    If you are holding out for the perfect game, the only game you play will be the waiting one.

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