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Take Two Lawsuit Shuts Down PC Port of Red Dead Redemption - MMORPG.com

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  • RhoklawRhoklaw Member EpicPosts: 7,124
    I remember a certain baker getting heckled and possibly sued for discrimination because they refused to bake a cake for a certain sexual orientation wedding.

    So, if people who own PC's and ask for a game to be distributed to their platform so they can play it and get refused the product, would that not also be considered discrimination? Maybe they should sue Take Two, lol.

    Laws are so one-sided sometimes.

  • AkulasAkulas Member RarePosts: 2,657
    I accidently re-uploaded the port
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  • alloinalloin Member UncommonPosts: 130
    The force of the SJW's is cringeworthy in this thread!!!
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  • PalebanePalebane Member RarePosts: 3,930
    edited December 2019
    I don’t condone theft, but when it seems like the company is just mad that they didn't think of it first, it makes them look like the asshole, imo. They could have worked with the porters, but no, they need to make an example of them. Yeah, fuck you.

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  • cloudacvcloudacv Member UncommonPosts: 208

    Asm0deus said:

    Okay color me confused but from what I am seeing in the gtaforums this isn't even a port but rather a texture mod?



    I still find it insane that they are gunning after him over a texture mod because THEY think it's something different (They BELIEVE it's a fan port and that it will affect Red Dead Online), and yet there's no way at all to reason with them, it's a damn texture mod, nothing illegal is happening, this is exactly like FiveM back when Take-Two and Rockstar were saying it was promoting piracy of GTAV, it pretty much seems like they can outright lie about a project and then just throw their legal team on it to ruin a persons life. I was hoping that this one not backing down MIGHT make someone up there notice that hey, this isn't at all what we're accusing it of, but nope, instead we have mods and admins on this forum gloating about Take-Two going after him and victim blaming saying it's his fault, hey, gotta stay in their good books right?





    What makes it worse is that in theory they should be going after Xenia and RPCS3 if they're so worried about Red Dead Redemption being playable but they're not, because they've got the wrong end of the stick! We as a community should be helping to make this clear that this is just a f*cking texture mod and there is nothing wrong about that, I don't like John that much but damn he's not in the wrong in terms of what the project is doing and yet we have staff like @Spider-Vice and @Jason sitting around going "Well it's your own fault, should've listened to daddy Take-Two.




    You really think it’s ok to take someone’s game and alter it then redistribute it without their consent? They gave him time to take it down but he was too busy with “life” stuff. They have every right to sue him. He is in the wrong.
  • Asm0deusAsm0deus Member EpicPosts: 3,219
    edited December 2019
    cloudacv said:

    Asm0deus said:

    Okay color me confused but from what I am seeing in the gtaforums this isn't even a port but rather a texture mod?



    I still find it insane that they are gunning after him over a texture mod because THEY think it's something different (They BELIEVE it's a fan port and that it will affect Red Dead Online), and yet there's no way at all to reason with them, it's a damn texture mod, nothing illegal is happening, this is exactly like FiveM back when Take-Two and Rockstar were saying it was promoting piracy of GTAV, it pretty much seems like they can outright lie about a project and then just throw their legal team on it to ruin a persons life. I was hoping that this one not backing down MIGHT make someone up there notice that hey, this isn't at all what we're accusing it of, but nope, instead we have mods and admins on this forum gloating about Take-Two going after him and victim blaming saying it's his fault, hey, gotta stay in their good books right?





    What makes it worse is that in theory they should be going after Xenia and RPCS3 if they're so worried about Red Dead Redemption being playable but they're not, because they've got the wrong end of the stick! We as a community should be helping to make this clear that this is just a f*cking texture mod and there is nothing wrong about that, I don't like John that much but damn he's not in the wrong in terms of what the project is doing and yet we have staff like @Spider-Vice and @Jason sitting around going "Well it's your own fault, should've listened to daddy Take-Two.




    You really think it’s ok to take someone’s game and alter it then redistribute it without their consent? They gave him time to take it down but he was too busy with “life” stuff. They have every right to sue him. He is in the wrong.

    I have never seeing people making texture mods be taken to court..it's a texture mod thus my question of what damages?

    Textures mods have made games like skyrim infinitely better and have even helped sell copies so again what damages?

    Now if more was done than textures mod then that's another thing but a quick look at that thread tells me that all it was and any porting was done by other parties, something about a 360 port or something that has being around awhile?  Emulators?

    Regardless I hear taketwo/rockstar has done other sleazy shit before and tried to shuffle it under the rug so to speak, not that I can speak to the accuracy of any of what is said in the gtaforums.  Still I have never been a fan of rockstar as it has pretty much always been clear to me with their monetization scheme that they don't give a shit about their fans.

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  • DarkEvilHatredDarkEvilHatred Member UncommonPosts: 184
    edited December 2019

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    half a million dollars in damages... what damages? It's a 9 1/2 year old game and they were doing nothing with it. They sure as hell weren't making money on it either.







    Sure they have the right to cancel unofficial ports of their IP, but there is zero damages caused by this. They wanted to file lawsuits instead of taking a more cost effective approach, that cost is on themselves IMO.









    They broke the law and used their intellectual property as their own. How is that zero damage?





    where is the damage though? That's what i'm saying. Take Two have the rights to protect their IP, but the other guy didn't cause them any damage. They call it damages so they can make money off the situation. They weren't losing money because of that port, and they weren't making any money on a decade old game stuck on last gen unsupported consoles.




    Did you read the article? “ distribute unauthorized software files that would dramatically change the content of Take-Two’s video games.” that is damages and the lawsuit is justified.




    "Take-Two alleged that developer Jonathan Wyckoff (and ten other unnamed co-defendants) were planning to, “distribute unauthorized software files that would dramatically change the content of Take-Two’s video games.”

    From what I've read, the guy never even finished the project or released ANY playable port!

    How does that justify any damages? No profit was made or taken by the guy doing the project. I'm going to sue you because you were THINKING about stealing my property! REALLY?! Good luck with that one, Take-Two!
  • TillerTiller Member EpicPosts: 8,872
    edited December 2019
    wrong thread



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  • Lark3mLark3m Member UncommonPosts: 26

    cloudacv said:







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    half a million dollars in damages... what damages? It's a 9 1/2 year old game and they were doing nothing with it. They sure as hell weren't making money on it either.











    Sure they have the right to cancel unofficial ports of their IP, but there is zero damages caused by this. They wanted to file lawsuits instead of taking a more cost effective approach, that cost is on themselves IMO.















    They broke the law and used their intellectual property as their own. How is that zero damage?









    where is the damage though? That's what i'm saying. Take Two have the rights to protect their IP, but the other guy didn't cause them any damage. They call it damages so they can make money off the situation. They weren't losing money because of that port, and they weren't making any money on a decade old game stuck on last gen unsupported consoles.








    Did you read the article? “ distribute unauthorized software files that would dramatically change the content of Take-Two’s video games.” that is damages and the lawsuit is justified.










    so if it didn't dramatically change the content it would have been acceptable although it's still unauthorized distribution? That charge is suspiciously worded like a trap. If the guy intended to make money on it then i'd be OK with the lawsuit. If he wasn't then i just think it's absurd.

    Just my opinion. Take Two never did anything against all the people who hacked XB360s to pirate RDR1 there.









    I don’t think you understand how the law works. Just porting the game alone is enough grounds for a lawsuit. That is dramatic changes to the game without their consent. What if the game doesn’t work right? It doesn’t matter how old the game is. As long as they still own the rights they are completely within their power to sue them.


    How exactly was take two supposed to enforce people cracking a system they have nothing to do with? Two completely different things.





    because it's their intellectual property. If they are going to fight an unauthorized port to PC which they have nothing to do with either since they didn't port it themselves, then they should have fought unauthorized distributions on platforms they did work with. At that time they were making money on last gen consoles. At this time they aren't on PC. It just feels like an excuse to make some money while they develop another game.

    I'm not saying they should ignore this stuff, just saying i think they are over reacting.




    You are delusional. That’s not how it works. They have no power over what happens to a cracked Xbox. They have no control over that period. They do however have power in this situation because they know exactly who is doing it and what they are doing.

    You need to read the article. They gave him ample time by the sounds of it to take it down but he was far too busy with “life” stuff.




    While it's true that they can't control what a person does with their modified console, they haven't exactly tried hard to nail anyone for damages due to random copies of the game or modified consoles floating on the internet. They lost more on legal fees than on a port than was never completed or released. This guy is just an easy target for them. That said, I (like many others) agree that there's nothing wrong with defending your IP. Just don't be a dick about it.
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