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delete5230
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I notice a lot of naysayers of Old school have a something in common.
They focus on the extreme bad...... I agree !
Extreme ideas such as 30 man 12 hour raids, and camping 3 days for loot, or forcing the player to play 6 hours... Their not for everyone, infact only for few.
Anything extreme should be optional and a very small percentage of the game.
To implement anything extreme the game has to be "large enough" to support all types of play short, long and extreme. The player should be able to play the entire game of any of the three categories all the way to it's end separately.
An mmorpgs must be large...... This is the key to EVERYTHING !..... It's why newer mmorpgs fail.
Vanilla World of Warcraft was that large game, it's why it's always number one. It supports everything, short long and extreme.
Everyone can co-exist. Time permitting the short player can play long or extreme.... It's called do what you want.
In order to test a healthy mmorpg:
The players should be able to play hours without having to do any combat..... Enjoyable content.
Unfortunately everything newer would fail this test.
They focus on the extreme bad...... I agree !
Extreme ideas such as 30 man 12 hour raids, and camping 3 days for loot, or forcing the player to play 6 hours... Their not for everyone, infact only for few.
Anything extreme should be optional and a very small percentage of the game.
To implement anything extreme the game has to be "large enough" to support all types of play short, long and extreme. The player should be able to play the entire game of any of the three categories all the way to it's end separately.
An mmorpgs must be large...... This is the key to EVERYTHING !..... It's why newer mmorpgs fail.
Vanilla World of Warcraft was that large game, it's why it's always number one. It supports everything, short long and extreme.
Everyone can co-exist. Time permitting the short player can play long or extreme.... It's called do what you want.
In order to test a healthy mmorpg:
The players should be able to play hours without having to do any combat..... Enjoyable content.
Unfortunately everything newer would fail this test.
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Pro tip, WOW was an anomaly which will never reoccur again, at least not in the AAA MMORPG space.
Accept this and move on, or learn to embrace SC.
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The points seemed to be:
1. WoW is wonderful;
2. Games should be big;
3. There should be lots of things to do;
4. Time intensive activities are bad (mostly).
5. You should not have to do combat.
So, um, ok. Good to know?
EQ1, EQ2, SWG, SWTOR, GW, GW2 CoH, CoV, FFXI, WoW, CO, War,TSW and a slew of free trials and beta tests
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Well, how about larger games were you don't have to focus only on the extreme bad things people are complaining about ?
Nothing wrong with the each example, some people like them, others like them in moderation. mmoprgs should be large and have everything or don't even call the mmorpg's.
My understanding of an mmorpg is it should be a life outside of your own....Get it now ?
EQ1 is different from Ultimate Online is different from Guild Wars 1 is different from Vanilla WoW is different from Dark Age of Camelot is different from SWG.
Which one is the old school geezer? Are all of them? They all want different things and the same criticisms don't apply to everyone.
I want a game like Guild Wars 1. No mob camping, time wasters, or other common criticisms of old school online games there.
I know why, no one wants to make a full game like Vanilla WoW !
And what is a large game?
EQ1, EQ2, SWG, SWTOR, GW, GW2 CoH, CoV, FFXI, WoW, CO, War,TSW and a slew of free trials and beta tests
I have never played an old school game and know nothing about them.
I have never played an old school game and know nothing about them.
I have never played an old school game and know nothing about them.
Etc.
EQ1, EQ2, SWG, SWTOR, GW, GW2 CoH, CoV, FFXI, WoW, CO, War,TSW and a slew of free trials and beta tests
Once upon a time....
You covered everything !
WoW is wonderful is not fitting for this post at least. It's more like WoW is most successful because its a LARGE and FULL game. However to contradict myself, WoW is wonderful because of this. But it's been going in a negative direction because of expansions, and this is another topic that's not fitting for this post.
When it comes down to it LARGE and FULL is everything...... In most cases a game would cover every aspect for players to find a home. It would make an mmorpg feel like an alternate reality.
Don't just play games, inhabit virtual worlds™
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Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
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Try Reign of Darkness on Steam it's the closest recently made game that mirrors my old MMORPG experiences in terms of character building and relying on others to progress.
This genre moved like three steps away from what an mmorpg is !
Their not mmorpg's at all... but games online.
Most here that decided to stick around are the excepting types.... The types that are able to be pushed around, or just using this site for a chat room and know mmorpgs are gone.
mmorpg players are millions, they find no reason to stick here and argue.
A real mmorpg would be a smash hit BECAUSE THEIR ARE MILLIONS, just not here anymore.
Of course there are millions of people who play MMORPGSs, WOW Classic recently proved this.
Thing is, most of them are just game players who happen to also play MMORPGs, as well as shooters, sports games etc.
Heck, they'll play prit near anything, even totally crap games have little problem getting an audience, at least if only for a short while.
True dyed in the wool, plays MMORPGs and only MMORPGS (they were legion back in the day), yeah, they are mostly gone now, heck even I'm not one anymore....
and you never were.
"True friends stab you in the front." | Oscar Wilde
"I need to finish" - Christian Wolff: The Accountant
Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
Fools find no pleasure in understanding but delight in airing their own opinions. Pvbs 18:2, NIV
Don't just play games, inhabit virtual worlds™
"This is the most intelligent, well qualified and articulate response to a post I have ever seen on these forums. It's a shame most people here won't have the attention span to read past the second line." - Anon
Well played sir back at you
Being I have no choice but to shrug this off because it's true.... I do have a rebuttal.
I play for social, it's all about others..... I totally play for others well being. I care about others and in that I find enjoyment.
Unfortunately I'm late and during second generation. I'm jealous by reading countless stories of the social interactions of people playing first generation games. I would trade my second generation love for first hands down..... Way better concept.
It's also unfortunate their is NO PLACE TO GO, in trying to live that adventure.
Most here knows the great "Delete 5230 played P1999 and failed" story, it's actually a famous one here on this site. Many laughs were had with this. Ya, the fun we have !.... However you know I don't care about embarrassment (it's the internet)... I laughed too... My only regret was the time people wasted in helping me out.... For this I'm sorry.
But the truth being Everquest 1 is BROKEN BADLY,
And can only be enjoyed by nostalgia players. No one in their right mind would stick around in such a broken game being a new player.
The work arounds and fixes simply to get the chat, UI and world working in the most crude form are unbearable.
It's as close to unplayable as you can get, yet doable if you have a gun to your head.
I went in unknowingly how bad it really was !
I'm not saying this to prove myself.....
But their is not a first generation game to play !!!!
Infact I get mad when some tell others to play whats available.... Their is none !
If their is, PLEASE LET EVERYONE KNOW !