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So the old geezers says the MMO genre is dead, I don't see it.

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  • GdemamiGdemami Member EpicPosts: 11,939
    AlBQuirky said:
    Recent?

    Release Date: Apr 14, 1990

    ...that was supposed to be his point - old MMOs are supposedly not dead.

    (btw. they are indeed dead)
    Kyleran
  • AlBQuirkyAlBQuirky Member EpicPosts: 5,861
    edited December 2019
    DMKano said:
    MMORPGS = dead
    MMOs = doing great

    These youngins need to learn proper terminology
    Same diff.  "MMO" rolls off the tongue more easily, and is a better umbrella term as some games are FPS or RTS etc.  Any other semantic elucidation has been vernacularly retconned and is frustratingly, elastically unspecific.

    People started saying "MMO" to mean "MMORPG", then people started assigning meaning to the fact people were saying "MMO".  I watched it happen.  I will die on this hill.
    Thanks 128(?) character twitter communication. Or is it just lazy people finding it so hard to type 3 more letters? Clarity trumps ease 100% of the time in communicating ;)
    GdemamiPhaserlight

    - Al

    Personally the only modern MMORPG trend that annoys me is the idea that MMOs need to be designed in a way to attract people who don't actually like MMOs. Which to me makes about as much sense as someone trying to figure out a way to get vegetarians to eat at their steakhouse.
    - FARGIN_WAR


  • BetaguyBetaguy Member UncommonPosts: 2,623
    The only MMO my ass has it's eye on is Pantheon.  Other than that, yes, it is dead.
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  • GdemamiGdemami Member EpicPosts: 11,939
    edited December 2019
    AlBQuirky said:
    Clarity trumps ease 100% of the time in communicating ;)
    ...and that is why MMO is used instead of way more ambiguous MMORPG.

    Clarity trumps ease.
  • Riqqy82Riqqy82 Member UncommonPosts: 89
    im waiting for pantheon myself, mmo's are dead, MSPOG's (massive single player online games) however are flourishing, sadly team building and community arent a thing anymore as todays youths are brainwashed more and more that things like money and ego and personal achievement are all that matters, when really 99.9% of the earths population will never be remembered or recognized for those things but ya know keeping teaching your kids about monetary survival over natural survival.....the weak are meat the strong will eat.

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  • NildenNilden Member EpicPosts: 2,974
    The biggest thing to happen to MMORPGs in years is classic WoW.


    "World of Warcraft Classic has been a big success to Activision Blizzard, with the company revealing today that the retro release has driven subscription numbers to their biggest quarterly increase in history."

    That's right the MMORPG genre is so alive and well a 15 year old game is the biggest thing to happen in years.


    AlBQuirky

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  • TamanousTamanous Member RarePosts: 2,997
    edited December 2019
    We live in a time full of old school mmorpg emulators, rebirths, re-imaginations and relaunches. Old school players are packed into those games.

    Is the OP an idiot?
    GdemamiAlBQuirky

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  • AlBQuirkyAlBQuirky Member EpicPosts: 5,861
    Gdemami said:
    Clarity
    You're so smart!
    Phaserlight

    - Al

    Personally the only modern MMORPG trend that annoys me is the idea that MMOs need to be designed in a way to attract people who don't actually like MMOs. Which to me makes about as much sense as someone trying to figure out a way to get vegetarians to eat at their steakhouse.
    - FARGIN_WAR


  • HazenXIIIHazenXIII Member UncommonPosts: 55
    I blame item shops and F2P.
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  • PalebanePalebane Member RarePosts: 3,915
    edited December 2019
    Tamanous said:
    We live in a time full of old school mmorpg emulators, rebirths, re-imaginations and relaunches. Old school players are packed into those games.

    Is the OP an idiot?
    They have mainstream attention and are packed with the same kinds of people as any other online game. They may have some old mechanics, but the common mindset is still quite modern.

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  • RhoklawRhoklaw Member EpicPosts: 6,802
    Gdemami said:
    AlBQuirky said:
    Clarity trumps ease 100% of the time in communicating ;)
    ...and that is why MMO is used instead of way more ambiguous MMORPG.

    Clarity trumps ease.
    So when you ask someone for some fruit and they bring you a banana and you complain it isn't an apple? Yeah, that's what I thought.
    KyleranGdemamiAlBQuirky

  • KyleranKyleran Member LegendaryPosts: 35,386
    edited December 2019
    Rhoklaw said:
    Gdemami said:
    AlBQuirky said:
    Clarity trumps ease 100% of the time in communicating ;)
    ...and that is why MMO is used instead of way more ambiguous MMORPG.

    Clarity trumps ease.
    So when you ask someone for some fruit and they bring you a banana and you complain it isn't an apple? Yeah, that's what I thought.
    I was going to say...check out this cute "cat" video called Destiny

    Hey, they have four legs, a tail, and sharp pointy ears, covered in fur, whiskers...clearly qualifies as a cat, yes?



    Too extreme, wrong species you say, how about this, my friend said she owns a "Corgi" and shared this video of "MMORPG."



    Labels matter when there are very clear differences, regardless of there being some or even many similarities....and forget "dying on this hill"....I own the damn hill.

     :D 
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  • GdemamiGdemami Member EpicPosts: 11,939
    Rhoklaw said:
    So when you ask someone for some fruit and they bring you a banana and you complain it isn't an apple? 
    ...you got it fairly messed up - you are the one complaining here, not me.
  • RhoklawRhoklaw Member EpicPosts: 6,802
    Gdemami said:
    Rhoklaw said:
    So when you ask someone for some fruit and they bring you a banana and you complain it isn't an apple? 
    ...you got it fairly messed up - you are the one complaining here, not me.
    Pretty sure you tried to inject something relevant about how using the general term MMO makes more sense than using more specific terms such as MMORPG. So I guess neither of us are complaining then and I'm just correcting you for your illogical approach to a black and white argument.
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  • GdemamiGdemami Member EpicPosts: 11,939
    Rhoklaw said:
    I'm just correcting you for your illogical approach to a black and white argument.
    ...don't try to fix that ain't broken.

  • RhoklawRhoklaw Member EpicPosts: 6,802
    Gdemami said:
    Rhoklaw said:
    I'm just correcting you for your illogical approach to a black and white argument.
    ...don't try to fix that ain't broken.

    I can't tell if you are joking or not, but you certainly qualify as a walking contradiction or in this case a typing contradiction.
    KyleranAlBQuirky

  • ultimateduckultimateduck Member RarePosts: 703
    edited December 2019
    Jesus, talk about petty bickering. Sometimes things can be over clarified to the point of redundancy... ATM machine, PIN number, etc.

    MMO(RPG)s are MMOs. The RPG part is little more than a voluntary play style. Trying to separate them to win some silly argument on who is more learned on video game lingo is ridiculous.

    ...and before some idiot chimes in with "all MMORPGs are MMOs but not all MMOs are MMORPGs"... yes, they are.
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  • UtinniUtinni Member EpicPosts: 1,789
    Jesus, talk about petty bickering. Sometimes things can be over clarified to the point of redundancy... ATM machine, PIN number, etc.

    MMO(RPG)s are MMOs. The RPG part is little more than a voluntary play style. Trying to separate them to win some silly argument on who is more learned on video game lingo is ridiculous.

    ...and before some idiot chimes in with "all MMORPGs are MMOs but not all MMOs are MMORPGs"... yes, they are.
    It's funny that people actually care about this. Opening your own eyes and determining if you like a game must be difficult for some folks.
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  • Riqqy82Riqqy82 Member UncommonPosts: 89
    facebook is the best mmo ever

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  • RhoklawRhoklaw Member EpicPosts: 6,802
    Utinni said:
    Jesus, talk about petty bickering. Sometimes things can be over clarified to the point of redundancy... ATM machine, PIN number, etc.

    MMO(RPG)s are MMOs. The RPG part is little more than a voluntary play style. Trying to separate them to win some silly argument on who is more learned on video game lingo is ridiculous.

    ...and before some idiot chimes in with "all MMORPGs are MMOs but not all MMOs are MMORPGs"... yes, they are.
    It's funny that people actually care about this. Opening your own eyes and determining if you like a game must be difficult for some folks.
    Your level of detail in your thought process leads me to believe our education system is still failing us. Simplicity only works if both parties understand what is being implied. Then I just realized your entire statement is nothing more than a straw man argument.
    Gdemami

  • VesaviusVesavius Member RarePosts: 7,905
    Maurgrim said:
    Yes old school MMOs are dead for good reasons, who want to camp a boss camp for hours, or farm some mob for weeks for just one drop you need, yes it was cool in the old days when MMO was new and you didn't know any better.

    There is so many games out there you can try and play yes enjoy, It's hardly dead, so the thing is It's the old geezers mentality that is dead not the genre.

    Yeah, I think you have missed the point in what they are probably saying. But, I will put that down to the exuberance and lack of context of immaturity.

    I suspect that you have made the mistake of taking the term 'dead' literally when what they probably mean is that the genre has changed so much (generally) and seen such a sharp decline in numbers here in the west that it is, right now, a very different landscape than, say, 10 years ago.

    I have an internet tip for you: People use hyperbole and exaggeration all the time. This is an attention economy. Try not to take people literally all the time.




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  • KyleranKyleran Member LegendaryPosts: 35,386
    edited December 2019
    Utinni said:
    Jesus, talk about petty bickering. Sometimes things can be over clarified to the point of redundancy... ATM machine, PIN number, etc.

    MMO(RPG)s are MMOs. The RPG part is little more than a voluntary play style. Trying to separate them to win some silly argument on who is more learned on video game lingo is ridiculous.

    ...and before some idiot chimes in with "all MMORPGs are MMOs but not all MMOs are MMORPGs"... yes, they are.
    It's funny that people actually care about this. Opening your own eyes and determining if you like a game must be difficult for some folks.
    Well yeah, it's a bitch to find a game worthy of my time, I've only played 3 titles in 2019, with 5 being my all time annual number back in 2016 and many years I played only 2 or even 1.

    Lest you think this is because I'm just a filthy casual, know my wife calls me a gaming addict.

    Probably because in 40 years of video gaming I have never gone more than 10 calendar days anually without logging into a game.

    While normal playtime is 2 to 3 hours a day on weekdays, at least 4 to 6 on weekends. 

    I buy expensive gaming laptops in part so I can play while on vacation which I almost always do. 

    Told my wife we don't go on vacations  anymore where internet access isn't rock solid. Just last week while in Bowling Green, KY I was working with my hotel's web support firm to figure out why FO76 was disconnecting far more often than normal.   :#

    So yeah, I guess she is correct, I am an addict but never (well almost never) have I shirked my work or family duties, but you would be surprised how little sleep humans can function on. :)

    So yeah, choice of what to play is absolutely critical and there's no tolerance for error.  (Yes,  I know, FO76, but hey, I really like it, so do the 50 or so other players still active.)

    ;)




    ultimateduck

    "See normal people, I'm not one of them" | G-Easy & Big Sean

    "I need to finish" - Christian Wolff: The Accountant

    Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing FO76 at the moment.

    Fools find no pleasure in understanding, but delight in airing their own opinions. Pvbs 18:2, NIV

    Don't just play games, inhabit virtual worlds™

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  • ultimateduckultimateduck Member RarePosts: 703
    Rhoklaw said:
    Utinni said:
    Jesus, talk about petty bickering. Sometimes things can be over clarified to the point of redundancy... ATM machine, PIN number, etc.

    MMO(RPG)s are MMOs. The RPG part is little more than a voluntary play style. Trying to separate them to win some silly argument on who is more learned on video game lingo is ridiculous.

    ...and before some idiot chimes in with "all MMORPGs are MMOs but not all MMOs are MMORPGs"... yes, they are.
    It's funny that people actually care about this. Opening your own eyes and determining if you like a game must be difficult for some folks.
    Your level of detail in your thought process leads me to believe our education system is still failing us. Simplicity only works if both parties understand what is being implied. Then I just realized your entire statement is nothing more than a straw man argument.
    If you're bored at a party (adult parties suck) overhear someone talking about playing video games and you lean over and say "what type of games do you like playing" and they reply "MMOs mostly", are you really going to douchebag out and  ask "MMOs or MMORPGs?"... as if there's a difference.

    No, I'm guessing you would thoroughly understand what kind of games he played, even with his poor education level of detail, and  simply ask "cool, which one?"
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  • TillerTiller Member EpicPosts: 8,512
    edited December 2019
    Scot said:
    Tiller said:
    Gen X here, and you boomers and millennials just go on ahead and keep fighting among yourselves while Gen X just chills.








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  • WizardryWizardry Member LegendaryPosts: 17,078
    MMORPG's are no where near being dead,finding good developers seems to be a dead end trail.

    There is a bus load of room for GOOD developers to improve and be creative within the MMORPG genre,just nobody wants to put in a real effort.WAY too easy to make a Wow type game or worse yet,some ARPG.

    Good news,we are not all clones,out there somewhere is a good producer,some intelligent people within a game studio just waiting to make a really good mmopg.The biggest obstacle of course is those people need the finances to pull it off.

    Well hardly anyone is willing to risk their own income and loans,so for now we are stuck with lame,pretend,wannabe type developers.It'll happen,one day we will get the game we want,a good solid lineup of games so that we get a choice of what we want to play.

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