Same diff. "MMO" rolls off the tongue more easily, and is a better umbrella term as some games are FPS or RTS etc. Any other semantic elucidation has been vernacularly retconned and is frustratingly, elastically unspecific.
People started saying "MMO" to mean "MMORPG", then people started assigning meaning to the fact people were saying "MMO". I watched it happen. I will die on this hill.
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So millennials say everything online is an MMO and they're doing great, I don't see it.
Since people here wanna throw around the M word, let's bring up what the B crowd is into.
I see a bunch of boomers here daily crying about how cool MMOs used to be 20 years ago because you had to wait for 3 real-life days for your CDs... In denial claiming MMOS are alive because you backed some obscure one that you at 60 believe is going to restore your glory days.
LOL, some of you are full-on midlife crisis mode over how my generation defines the MMO, yall need therapy, not Everquest.
The Geritol and viagra is working overtime. I love this place. Never change geezers.
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I think the "old geezers" are saying MMOs are dead because they are barely MMOs. They are no longer massive multiplayer online games, they are massive online single player games.
Technically speaking, MMOs are being released... but they don't qualify to us old people who played real MMOs as actual MMOs.
Ok, Boomer! Just kidding. I will never use that horrid expression again.
I think you mean Generation X. Most boomers barely use computers, let alone game on them. I'm a GenXer who started online gaming with EverQuest. It took me decades to get my mom used to using a computer on her own and she finally games on it, playing Hearts, Spades and Spider Solitaire.
So millennials say everything online is an MMO and they're doing great, I don't see it.
Since people here wanna throw around the M word, let's bring up what the B crowd is into.
I see a bunch of boomers here daily crying about how cool MMOs used to be 20 years ago because you had to wait for 3 real-life days for your CDs... In denial claiming MMOS are alive because you backed some obscure one that you at 60 believe is going to restore your glory days.
LOL, some of you are full-on midlife crisis mode over how my generation defines the MMO, yall need therapy, not Everquest.
The Geritol and viagra is working overtime. I love this place. Never change geezers.
I'm surprised the M word made you of all people, chomp down on my hook
Using the G word in the OP was just as idiotic in painting all Gs with the same brush. I happen to think that a lot of the time wasting shit in those early MMOs is better off dead and buried. Hell I only lasted 3 weeks in Classic - could not stomach personal mob tagging.
And that's from a guy who went through his mid-life crisis in the 20th century lol.
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I'm 32. I've played all the so-called "Classic MMORPGs" I didn't care for them mostly. some were okay. Your generation romanticizes it so much as if these games weren't broken, janky messes with horrible UI and terrible skill trees. I think you guys confuse the experience of playing online for the first time with the actual games being good. They were not good games. Average at best, the people playing made those games interesting at all. The social element was brand new. Dial-up was the rage.
It's not new anymore. It's not novel to talk to someone on "the internet". we have wifi everywhere. I keep telling you people this.. adapt. shits changed.. get over it!
MMORPGs how your generation remembers them are dead. This is not an opinion.
You guys love to pretend like my generation grew up on mobile games. nope. We saw the so-called "Old School" and we also understand how to enjoy the "new stuff." We bridge the gap in gaming. Stop acting like MMOs are something so ancient that only boomers/genxers understand or remember.
Millennials understand and remember we just don't care to be stuck in the past as boomers/gen xers do.
We aren't sitting on our porch grumping about back in our day.. we don't care, we are too busy playing the new games. Having fun.
Your generations, the boomers, the Gen-Xers don't know how to enjoy anything new. you guys would rather waste your days away being angry at the youth for having fun with something you don't understand.
New age MMOs were born from the ashes of the old MMORPG genre.. they just aren't how you want them to be which is why you constantly hate on it.
Go outside.
EDIT: forgot the gen xers smh.
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So millennials say everything online is an MMO and they're doing great, I don't see it.
Since people here wanna throw around the M word, let's bring up what the B crowd is into.
I see a bunch of boomers here daily crying about how cool MMOs used to be 20 years ago because you had to wait for 3 real-life days for your CDs... In denial claiming MMOS are alive because you backed some obscure one that you at 60 believe is going to restore your glory days.
LOL, some of you are full-on midlife crisis mode over how my generation defines the MMO, yall need therapy, not Everquest.
The Geritol and viagra is working overtime. I love this place. Never change geezers.
I'm surprised the M word made you of all people, chomp down on my hook
Using the G word in the OP was just as idiotic in painting all Gs with the same brush. I happen to think that a lot of the time wasting shit in those early MMOs is better off dead and buried. Hell I only lasted 3 weeks in Classic - could not stomach personal mob tagging.
And that's from a guy who went through his mid-life crisis in the 20th century lol.
lol mehh nothing personal, I'm just tired of gen Xers and boomers disrespecting my generation as if we aren't the ones that have to fix the mess you guys left.
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Yeah for sure the old games arent “better.” They are perhaps better in a way an old car or old music may be considered better. It was the connection and the newness.
I dont think most people here hate on new games and wish they were like the old ones. Some do, sure, but mostly I believe they have the knowledge of what the old games were like, and had a vision of what the future could be like, and are disappointed to see that potential squandered by investors who largely turned these games into glorified Pac-man slot machines.
They are still fun and more efficient, but lack some of the depth and character the pioneers may have understood better, imo. Maybe the people who played back then just had better imaginations.
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I'm 32. I've played all the so-called "Classic MMORPGs" I didn't care for them mostly. some were okay. Your generation romanticizes it so much as if these games weren't broken, janky messes with horrible UI and terrible skill trees. I think you guys confuse the experience of playing online for the first time with the actual games being good. They were not good games. Average at best, the people playing made those games interesting at all. The social element was brand new. Dial-up was the rage.
I think your problem is that you haven't yet learned that many things are a product of their times.
Hate to say it, but you aren't old enough yet (apparently)
Not a diss, "older" people have already gone through that, have lived through the fantasies/expectations of their youth and realized that life is far more bitter/sweet than they realized.
Old games "were great" as a product of their times. They were fun as a product of their times.
Some things can stand the test of time and some "not so much."
I'm sure in 20 years the younger generation will look at the things you think are good and give the same speech.
Looking back at older "anything" and judging it with "current" eyes is just monday morning quarterbacking. It's easy to sit and judge something that had to fight to be created, had to deal with technology issues, had to go through the "what will this thing look like" when there wasn't much to go on.
The whole reason you enjoy the games you enjoy is because developers took those steps, broke new ground (yes NEW ground), were ambitious and had a vision.
But you will see in a certain amount of years what happens when the things you love are compared to a "new" time period and they can't stand up to things that haven't even been created yet because they weren't being made to be compared to such things.
They were just trying to be made in the first place!
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I hope none of you complaining about how MMORPGs use to be, never complain about mobile games.
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a few more years and we'll have nice, nostalgic feeling about the "good" times when they only tried to label Destiny as an MMO, and not every junk which has any kinda online part...
This is what I mean. Bungie the company that made the damn game is saying its an MMO and it's not good enough for you boomers and Gen-Xers. I and others were saying it was an MMO 2 years before Bungie would even admit it. You guys are still fighting this fight? Geritol...
You guys are hopeless lol. I'm not about to beat this dead horse, I'm just pointing out how you guys are not going to be satisfied with anything new that's not exactly like your precious dial-up internet video games.
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I'm 32. I've played all the so-called "Classic MMORPGs" I didn't care for them mostly. some were okay. Your generation romanticizes it so much as if these games weren't broken, janky messes with horrible UI and terrible skill trees. I think you guys confuse the experience of playing online for the first time with the actual games being good. They were not good games. Average at best, the people playing made those games interesting at all. The social element was brand new. Dial-up was the rage.
I think your problem is that you haven't yet learned that many things are a product of their times.
Hate to say it, but you aren't old enough yet (apparently)
Not a diss, "older" people have already gone through that, have lived through the fantasies/expectations of their youth and realized that life is far more bitter/sweet than they realized.
Old games "were great" as a product of their times. They were fun as a product of their times.
Some things can stand the test of time and some "not so much."
I'm sure in 20 years the younger generation will look at the things you think are good and give the same speech.
Looking back at older "anything" and judging it with "current" eyes is just monday morning quarterbacking. It's easy to sit and judge something that had to fight to be created, had to deal with technology issues, had to go through the "what will this thing look like" when there wasn't much to go on.
The whole reason you enjoy the games you enjoy is because developers took those steps, broke new ground (yes NEW ground), were ambitious and had a vision.
But you will see in a certain amount of years what happens when the things you love are compared to a "new" time period and they can't stand up to things that haven't even been created yet because they weren't being made to be compared to such things.
They were just trying to be made in the first place!
Not saying you are wrong, there is a lot of truth here that I get. I understand what it's like to be an early adopter trying to get something off the ground.
What I don't get is why can't these games we have right now be great products of their time also? Why do these new MMO games have to be compared to games from 25 years ago at all?
Games like ESO, Destiny, FFXIV, Warframe, etc are taking things from the MMO past, building on it and making it work for a new generation of people. Why cant that be okay?
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This is what I mean. Bungie the company that made the damn game is saying its an MMO and it's not good enough for you boomers and Gen-Xers.
Well pardon us who are skeptical about what labels companies or MMO news sites use for their own reasons.
Both this site and Massively labeled Path of Exile as an MMO and GGG to their credit, aggressively objects to that label.
Ignorant labeling is just dumb and has fuck all to do with age.
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This is what I mean. Bungie the company that made the damn game is saying its an MMO and it's not good enough for you boomers and Gen-Xers.
Well pardon us who are skeptical about what labels companies or MMO news sites use for their own reasons.
Both this site and Massively labeled Path of Exile as an MMO and GGG to their credit, aggressively objects to that label.
Ignorant labeling is just dumb and has fuck all to do with age.
well, I agree, and my fight was never about making every online game MMO. It was always about Destiny. Unsure why you even brought up POE. I'm referring to something that is accurate.
I never mislabeled anything.
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"The Society that separates its scholars from its warriors will have its thinking done by cowards and its fighting by fools."
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I'm 32. I've played all the so-called "Classic MMORPGs" I didn't care for them mostly. some were okay. Your generation romanticizes it so much as if these games weren't broken, janky messes with horrible UI and terrible skill trees. I think you guys confuse the experience of playing online for the first time with the actual games being good. They were not good games. Average at best, the people playing made those games interesting at all. The social element was brand new. Dial-up was the rage.
I think your problem is that you haven't yet learned that many things are a product of their times.
Hate to say it, but you aren't old enough yet (apparently)
Not a diss, "older" people have already gone through that, have lived through the fantasies/expectations of their youth and realized that life is far more bitter/sweet than they realized.
Old games "were great" as a product of their times. They were fun as a product of their times.
Some things can stand the test of time and some "not so much."
I'm sure in 20 years the younger generation will look at the things you think are good and give the same speech.
Looking back at older "anything" and judging it with "current" eyes is just monday morning quarterbacking. It's easy to sit and judge something that had to fight to be created, had to deal with technology issues, had to go through the "what will this thing look like" when there wasn't much to go on.
The whole reason you enjoy the games you enjoy is because developers took those steps, broke new ground (yes NEW ground), were ambitious and had a vision.
But you will see in a certain amount of years what happens when the things you love are compared to a "new" time period and they can't stand up to things that haven't even been created yet because they weren't being made to be compared to such things.
They were just trying to be made in the first place!
Not saying you are wrong, there is a lot of truth here that I get. I understand what it's like to be an early adopter trying to get something off the ground.
What I don't get is why can't these games we have right now be great products of their time also? Why do these new MMO games have to be compared to games from 25 years ago at all?
Games like ESO, Destiny, FFXIV, Warframe, etc are taking things from the MMO past, building on it and making it work for a new generation of people. Why cant that be okay?
They are great products of their time.
Like I said, wait 20 years and you might look askance at what is being released and, of course, have opinions on how good it is.
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This is what I mean. Bungie the company that made the damn game is saying its an MMO and it's not good enough for you boomers and Gen-Xers.
Well pardon us who are skeptical about what labels companies or MMO news sites use for their own reasons.
Both this site and Massively labeled Path of Exile as an MMO and GGG to their credit, aggressively objects to that label.
Ignorant labeling is just dumb and has fuck all to do with age.
well, I agree, and my fight was never about making every online game MMO. It was always about Destiny. Unsure why you even brought up POE. I'm referring to something that is accurate.
I never mislabeled anything.
I bring POE up simply because it's another example of how genre labeling, whether by a company looking for more buck or a gaming site looking for hits is not as meaningful or definitive as you implied with Bungie's re-definition of what it is.
Some companies, for example ZOS with ESO, go out of their way to disassociate themselves from the MMO label because they think that's in their best interest. Does that make ESO not an MMO?
ZOS or Bungie can say the sky is pink... I know better
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I'm 32. I've played all the so-called "Classic MMORPGs" I didn't care for them mostly. some were okay. Your generation romanticizes it so much as if these games weren't broken, janky messes with horrible UI and terrible skill trees. I think you guys confuse the experience of playing online for the first time with the actual games being good. They were not good games. Average at best, the people playing made those games interesting at all. The social element was brand new. Dial-up was the rage.
I think your problem is that you haven't yet learned that many things are a product of their times.
Hate to say it, but you aren't old enough yet (apparently)
Not a diss, "older" people have already gone through that, have lived through the fantasies/expectations of their youth and realized that life is far more bitter/sweet than they realized.
Old games "were great" as a product of their times. They were fun as a product of their times.
Some things can stand the test of time and some "not so much."
I'm sure in 20 years the younger generation will look at the things you think are good and give the same speech.
Looking back at older "anything" and judging it with "current" eyes is just monday morning quarterbacking. It's easy to sit and judge something that had to fight to be created, had to deal with technology issues, had to go through the "what will this thing look like" when there wasn't much to go on.
The whole reason you enjoy the games you enjoy is because developers took those steps, broke new ground (yes NEW ground), were ambitious and had a vision.
But you will see in a certain amount of years what happens when the things you love are compared to a "new" time period and they can't stand up to things that haven't even been created yet because they weren't being made to be compared to such things.
They were just trying to be made in the first place!
Not saying you are wrong, there is a lot of truth here that I get. I understand what it's like to be an early adopter trying to get something off the ground.
What I don't get is why can't these games we have right now be great products of their time also? Why do these new MMO games have to be compared to games from 25 years ago at all?
Games like ESO, Destiny, FFXIV, Warframe, etc are taking things from the MMO past, building on it and making it work for a new generation of people. Why cant that be okay?
They are great products of their time.
Like I said, wait 20 years and you might look askance at what is being released and, of course, have opinions on how good it is.
It's fair to have an opinion on how good something is, but comparing entirely different eras is unfair to all parties for several reasons. I promise in 20 years I won't be comparing Destiny to "Destiny 20" or anything new of the era. It won't make sense to do so. Same thing right now.
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I'm 32. I've played all the so-called "Classic MMORPGs" I didn't care for them mostly. some were okay. Your generation romanticizes it so much as if these games weren't broken, janky messes with horrible UI and terrible skill trees. I think you guys confuse the experience of playing online for the first time with the actual games being good. They were not good games. Average at best, the people playing made those games interesting at all. The social element was brand new. Dial-up was the rage.
I think your problem is that you haven't yet learned that many things are a product of their times.
Hate to say it, but you aren't old enough yet (apparently)
Not a diss, "older" people have already gone through that, have lived through the fantasies/expectations of their youth and realized that life is far more bitter/sweet than they realized.
Old games "were great" as a product of their times. They were fun as a product of their times.
Some things can stand the test of time and some "not so much."
I'm sure in 20 years the younger generation will look at the things you think are good and give the same speech.
Looking back at older "anything" and judging it with "current" eyes is just monday morning quarterbacking. It's easy to sit and judge something that had to fight to be created, had to deal with technology issues, had to go through the "what will this thing look like" when there wasn't much to go on.
The whole reason you enjoy the games you enjoy is because developers took those steps, broke new ground (yes NEW ground), were ambitious and had a vision.
But you will see in a certain amount of years what happens when the things you love are compared to a "new" time period and they can't stand up to things that haven't even been created yet because they weren't being made to be compared to such things.
They were just trying to be made in the first place!
Not saying you are wrong, there is a lot of truth here that I get. I understand what it's like to be an early adopter trying to get something off the ground.
What I don't get is why can't these games we have right now be great products of their time also? Why do these new MMO games have to be compared to games from 25 years ago at all?
Games like ESO, Destiny, FFXIV, Warframe, etc are taking things from the MMO past, building on it and making it work for a new generation of people. Why cant that be okay?
They are great products of their time.
Like I said, wait 20 years and you might look askance at what is being released and, of course, have opinions on how good it is.
It's fair to have an opinion on how good something is, but comparing entirely different eras is unfair to all parties for several reasons. I promise in 20 years I won't be comparing Destiny to "Destiny 20" or anything new of the era. It won't make sense to do so. Same thing right now.
Well, "we'll see."
It doesn't make sense to compare things of different eras but some don't realize it. Then again, you might not actively compare things but you could very well roll your eyes at some things in 20 years. Things will change for you, trust me. And it's not like 32 is a "youngin" but there is still a bit of the 20's in an early 30's person. in 20 years your life outlook should be a lot more focused, a lot more wise and of course your perspective will change on a lot of things.
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Its fun and healthy to compare and contrast the old and new games with regards to their time, and also without regards to the times they were created, imo. Same with music, cars, sports, art or anything else.
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I have to laugh at all the younglings trashing the older generations like it something new. Hey, kid! FYI for ya! The '60s generation did the same thing to their parents, blaming them for all the ills of society, and yet they still grew up to be their parents. And the -exact- same thing is waiting for all of you in the future, when young people will attack your generation and blame you for everything wrong with the world. It's inevitable. It's been happening for as long as people have had children, and while you can deny it all you want, there's no escaping your fate. So if you really think you're going to change the world, I hope you're just as successful as your parents were. Remember, they were also the generation of the Civil Rights movement. Can you you can live up to that instead of just whining about how they did you wrong? And wrapping all old people into the Boomer generation that stole your future is just as bad as describing all POC as criminals. It makes you just another bigot. DO BETTER.
Anyway, as for MMORPGs, they are dying because young people just don't have the patience for vanilla games as in the past. Things were new and exciting when MMORPGs first hit the scene. But, as someone pointed out previously, people are being increasingly pulled in many different directions by the entertainment choices available to them. So now vanilla MMOPRGs have to be modded with higher yields and quicker progression so that they aren't doing the same grind over and over, just to hold people's attention. Social interaction in games has been replaced by other media and endgame is just a target so a player can move on to the next big release.
This is the generation of the 10m match. Fortnite, PUBG, whatever. Anything longer or more involved than that runs the risk of losing a player's interest.
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People started saying "MMO" to mean "MMORPG", then people started assigning meaning to the fact people were saying "MMO". I watched it happen. I will die on this hill.
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in my memory, it's always the young farts proclaiming games dead ages before that actually happens, bc their few friends don't play that certain game
"I'll never grow up, never grow up, never grow up! Not me!"
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Since people here wanna throw around the M word, let's bring up what the B crowd is into.
I see a bunch of boomers here daily crying about how cool MMOs used to be 20 years ago because you had to wait for 3 real-life days for your CDs... In denial claiming MMOS are alive because you backed some obscure one that you at 60 believe is going to restore your glory days.
LOL, some of you are full-on midlife crisis mode over how my generation defines the MMO, yall need therapy, not Everquest.
The Geritol and viagra is working overtime. I love this place. Never change geezers.
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Also I wouldn't play again a game like eq or ff11 even if you paid me
Using the G word in the OP was just as idiotic in painting all Gs with the same brush. I happen to think that a lot of the time wasting shit in those early MMOs is better off dead and buried. Hell I only lasted 3 weeks in Classic - could not stomach personal mob tagging.
And that's from a guy who went through his mid-life crisis in the 20th century lol.
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It's not new anymore. It's not novel to talk to someone on "the internet". we have wifi everywhere. I keep telling you people this.. adapt. shits changed.. get over it!
MMORPGs how your generation remembers them are dead. This is not an opinion.
You guys love to pretend like my generation grew up on mobile games. nope. We saw the so-called "Old School" and we also understand how to enjoy the "new stuff." We bridge the gap in gaming. Stop acting like MMOs are something so ancient that only boomers/genxers understand or remember.
Millennials understand and remember we just don't care to be stuck in the past as boomers/gen xers do.
We aren't sitting on our porch grumping about back in our day.. we don't care, we are too busy playing the new games. Having fun.
Your generations, the boomers, the Gen-Xers don't know how to enjoy anything new. you guys would rather waste your days away being angry at the youth for having fun with something you don't understand.
New age MMOs were born from the ashes of the old MMORPG genre.. they just aren't how you want them to be which is why you constantly hate on it.
Go outside.
EDIT: forgot the gen xers smh.
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Currently: Games Audio Engineer, you didn't hear what I heard, you heard what I wanted you to hear.
Vault-Tec analysts have concluded that the odds of worldwide nuclear armaggeddon this decade are 17,143,762... to 1.
Hate to say it, but you aren't old enough yet (apparently)
Not a diss, "older" people have already gone through that, have lived through the fantasies/expectations of their youth and realized that life is far more bitter/sweet than they realized.
Old games "were great" as a product of their times. They were fun as a product of their times.
Some things can stand the test of time and some "not so much."
I'm sure in 20 years the younger generation will look at the things you think are good and give the same speech.
Looking back at older "anything" and judging it with "current" eyes is just monday morning quarterbacking. It's easy to sit and judge something that had to fight to be created, had to deal with technology issues, had to go through the "what will this thing look like" when there wasn't much to go on.
The whole reason you enjoy the games you enjoy is because developers took those steps, broke new ground (yes NEW ground), were ambitious and had a vision.
But you will see in a certain amount of years what happens when the things you love are compared to a "new" time period and they can't stand up to things that haven't even been created yet because they weren't being made to be compared to such things.
They were just trying to be made in the first place!
Godfred's Tomb Trailer: https://youtu.be/-nsXGddj_4w
Original Skyrim: https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/109547
Serph toze kindly has started a walk-through. https://youtu.be/UIelCK-lldo
You guys are hopeless lol. I'm not about to beat this dead horse, I'm just pointing out how you guys are not going to be satisfied with anything new that's not exactly like your precious dial-up internet video games.
"The Society that separates its scholars from its warriors will have its thinking done by cowards and its fighting by fools."
Currently: Games Audio Engineer, you didn't hear what I heard, you heard what I wanted you to hear.
Raquelis in various games
Played: Everything
Playing: Nioh 2, Civ6
Wants: The World
Anticipating: Everquest Next Crowfall, Pantheon, Elden Ring
What I don't get is why can't these games we have right now be great products of their time also? Why do these new MMO games have to be compared to games from 25 years ago at all?
Games like ESO, Destiny, FFXIV, Warframe, etc are taking things from the MMO past, building on it and making it work for a new generation of people. Why cant that be okay?
"The Society that separates its scholars from its warriors will have its thinking done by cowards and its fighting by fools."
Currently: Games Audio Engineer, you didn't hear what I heard, you heard what I wanted you to hear.
Both this site and Massively labeled Path of Exile as an MMO and GGG to their credit, aggressively objects to that label.
Ignorant labeling is just dumb and has fuck all to do with age.
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― CD PROJEKT RED
I never mislabeled anything.
"The Society that separates its scholars from its warriors will have its thinking done by cowards and its fighting by fools."
Currently: Games Audio Engineer, you didn't hear what I heard, you heard what I wanted you to hear.
Like I said, wait 20 years and you might look askance at what is being released and, of course, have opinions on how good it is.
Godfred's Tomb Trailer: https://youtu.be/-nsXGddj_4w
Original Skyrim: https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/109547
Serph toze kindly has started a walk-through. https://youtu.be/UIelCK-lldo
Some companies, for example ZOS with ESO, go out of their way to disassociate themselves from the MMO label because they think that's in their best interest. Does that make ESO not an MMO?
ZOS or Bungie can say the sky is pink... I know better
“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?”
― CD PROJEKT RED
It's fair to have an opinion on how good something is, but comparing entirely different eras is unfair to all parties for several reasons. I promise in 20 years I won't be comparing Destiny to "Destiny 20" or anything new of the era. It won't make sense to do so. Same thing right now.
"The Society that separates its scholars from its warriors will have its thinking done by cowards and its fighting by fools."
Currently: Games Audio Engineer, you didn't hear what I heard, you heard what I wanted you to hear.
It doesn't make sense to compare things of different eras but some don't realize it. Then again, you might not actively compare things but you could very well roll your eyes at some things in 20 years. Things will change for you, trust me. And it's not like 32 is a "youngin" but there is still a bit of the 20's in an early 30's person. in 20 years your life outlook should be a lot more focused, a lot more wise and of course your perspective will change on a lot of things.
Godfred's Tomb Trailer: https://youtu.be/-nsXGddj_4w
Original Skyrim: https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/109547
Serph toze kindly has started a walk-through. https://youtu.be/UIelCK-lldo
Vault-Tec analysts have concluded that the odds of worldwide nuclear armaggeddon this decade are 17,143,762... to 1.
Anyway, as for MMORPGs, they are dying because young people just don't have the patience for vanilla games as in the past. Things were new and exciting when MMORPGs first hit the scene. But, as someone pointed out previously, people are being increasingly pulled in many different directions by the entertainment choices available to them. So now vanilla MMOPRGs have to be modded with higher yields and quicker progression so that they aren't doing the same grind over and over, just to hold people's attention. Social interaction in games has been replaced by other media and endgame is just a target so a player can move on to the next big release.
This is the generation of the 10m match. Fortnite, PUBG, whatever. Anything longer or more involved than that runs the risk of losing a player's interest.
If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice
You can choose from phantom fears and kindness that can kill
I will choose a path that's clear, I will choose Freewill
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Somebody, somewhere has better skills as you have, more experience as you have, is smarter than you, has more friends as you do and can stay online longer. Just pray he's not out to get you.