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CoE announces $95 lootboxes and faces revolt

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  • lahnmirlahnmir Member LegendaryPosts: 3,115
    Only 95 dollars? For a non existing game? With only a chance of actually getting what you want, with only a chance of that being made, with only a chance of the actual game being made so you can claim that item? Honey, hand me my creditcard, I am going full retard.

    /Cheers,
    Lahnmir
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    But there are many. You can play them entirely solo, and even offline. Also, you are wrong by default.

    Ikcin in response to yours sincerely debating whether or not single-player offline MMOs exist...
  • MendelMendel Member EpicPosts: 3,604
    lahnmir said:
    Only 95 dollars? For a non existing game? With only a chance of actually getting what you want, with only a chance of that being made, with only a chance of the actual game being made so you can claim that item? Honey, hand me my creditcard, I am going full retard.

    /Cheers,
    Lahnmir
    $95 buys a pretty big pile of lottery tickets.  The lottery is probably closer to your home, making even the local convenience store almost as convenient.  Most lotteries even have on-line apps now, so they can take your money at nearly crowdfunding rates.

    I'll leave it to you to decide for yourself which one gives more value for the money, but there are other ways to throw your money away.  :)



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  • lahnmirlahnmir Member LegendaryPosts: 3,115
    Mendel said:
    lahnmir said:
    Only 95 dollars? For a non existing game? With only a chance of actually getting what you want, with only a chance of that being made, with only a chance of the actual game being made so you can claim that item? Honey, hand me my creditcard, I am going full retard.

    /Cheers,
    Lahnmir
    $95 buys a pretty big pile of lottery tickets.  The lottery is probably closer to your home, making even the local convenience store almost as convenient.  Most lotteries even have on-line apps now, so they can take your money at nearly crowdfunding rates.

    I'll leave it to you to decide for yourself which one gives more value for the money, but there are other ways to throw your money away.  :)



    Well, I have a fireplace and its getting colder and I am out of wood.....

    /Cheers,
    Lahnmir
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    But there are many. You can play them entirely solo, and even offline. Also, you are wrong by default.

    Ikcin in response to yours sincerely debating whether or not single-player offline MMOs exist...
  • LackingMMOLackingMMO Member RarePosts: 462
    At this point this is pretty standard. Wake me up when a company actually decides to release a game and not a pay for development experience.
  • Slapshot1188Slapshot1188 Member LegendaryPosts: 11,494
    At this point this is pretty standard. Wake me up when a company actually decides to release a game and not a pay for development experience.
    I’ll concede the point if you can show me one other company that said they would not have lootboxes and then sold $95 lootboxes while in dev only pre-alpha.


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  • ShaighShaigh Member RarePosts: 2,030
    Stop hating on surprise mechanics
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  • LackingMMOLackingMMO Member RarePosts: 462
    At this point this is pretty standard. Wake me up when a company actually decides to release a game and not a pay for development experience.
    I’ll concede the point if you can show me one other company that said they would not have lootboxes and then sold $95 lootboxes while in dev only pre-alpha.

    The track record of the company shows it would, not the words of the devs. Like I was saying, I would be more surprised if a playable video game comes from this than any form of preprepre loot boxes.

  • fearufearu Member UncommonPosts: 261
    They should give the items away free to anyone still paying attention to this trainwreck.
  • ScotScot Member LegendaryPosts: 12,501
    The biggest surprise is that anybody is surprised.

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  • AnOldFartAnOldFart Member UncommonPosts: 506
    Not going to read this thread because I can guess what's said.

    Is this loot boxes? 
    Yes - to a degree.

    Should it be done?
    No

    Would I buy one?
    If I still believed this game will release - yes.

    My reasoning. 

    Loot boxes sell digital items with a random chance of getting stuff. Sometimes in lesser value and sometimes in value. They are gambling on getting something more valuable.

    This "calender" guarantees you get things of greater value.

    The kicker is that you can't guarantee that what you get is what you want. Hence still has a gambling aspect. 


    So why would I buy it if I still followed the game.
    Simple answer is, I could hopefully sell the items on the marketplace and probably get what I need or a greater value in their EP points.
    In other words I could probably turn it to a profit.

    But because of how the development has been going I will not invest any more money. 
  • goldboyy45goldboyy45 Member UncommonPosts: 207
    AnOldFart said:
    Not going to read this thread because I can guess what's said.

    Is this loot boxes? 
    Yes - to a degree.

    Should it be done?
    No

    Would I buy one?
    If I still believed this game will release - yes.

    My reasoning. 

    Loot boxes sell digital items with a random chance of getting stuff. Sometimes in lesser value and sometimes in value. They are gambling on getting something more valuable.

    This "calender" guarantees you get things of greater value.

    The kicker is that you can't guarantee that what you get is what you want. Hence still has a gambling aspect. 


    So why would I buy it if I still followed the game.
    Simple answer is, I could hopefully sell the items on the marketplace and probably get what I need or a greater value in their EP points.
    In other words I could probably turn it to a profit.

    But because of how the development has been going I will not invest any more money. 
    Do you feel  this is a slap in the face for those folk that spent full money on single items prior to this? Sure the loot box is random items but it's still at a massive discount. Remember the loot box guarantees the 3 new promotional items so already it pretty much pays for itself. Shameful Soulbound doesn't care about devaluing it's customers. Why even buy anything alone anymore? Just wait until December 2020 and pick up the loot box to get these items at 60-70% off.
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  • ZegalothZegaloth Member UncommonPosts: 166
    AnOldFart said:
    Not going to read this thread because I can guess what's said.

    Is this loot boxes? 
    Yes - to a degree.

    Should it be done?
    No

    Would I buy one?
    If I still believed this game will release - yes.

    My reasoning. 

    Loot boxes sell digital items with a random chance of getting stuff. Sometimes in lesser value and sometimes in value. They are gambling on getting something more valuable.

    This "calender" guarantees you get things of greater value.

    The kicker is that you can't guarantee that what you get is what you want. Hence still has a gambling aspect. 


    So why would I buy it if I still followed the game.
    Simple answer is, I could hopefully sell the items on the marketplace and probably get what I need or a greater value in their EP points.
    In other words I could probably turn it to a profit.

    But because of how the development has been going I will not invest any more money. 


    It's too bad that they couldn't come up with a way for you to some how play a game, that has some sort of tasks, or list of things to do, that would allow you to earn these things with some sort of item, or items that you get from doing said tasks. Dang I wish there was some popular references for them to go off of so they wouldn't fall into exploiting their customers... oh.. wait..
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  • goldboyy45goldboyy45 Member UncommonPosts: 207
    Zegaloth said:
    AnOldFart said:
    Not going to read this thread because I can guess what's said.

    Is this loot boxes? 
    Yes - to a degree.

    Should it be done?
    No

    Would I buy one?
    If I still believed this game will release - yes.

    My reasoning. 

    Loot boxes sell digital items with a random chance of getting stuff. Sometimes in lesser value and sometimes in value. They are gambling on getting something more valuable.

    This "calender" guarantees you get things of greater value.

    The kicker is that you can't guarantee that what you get is what you want. Hence still has a gambling aspect. 


    So why would I buy it if I still followed the game.
    Simple answer is, I could hopefully sell the items on the marketplace and probably get what I need or a greater value in their EP points.
    In other words I could probably turn it to a profit.

    But because of how the development has been going I will not invest any more money. 


    It's too bad that they couldn't come up with a way for you to some how play a game, that has some sort of tasks, or list of things to do, that would allow you to earn these things with some sort of item, or items that you get from doing said tasks. Dang I wish there was some popular references for them to go off of so they wouldn't fall into exploiting their customers... oh.. wait..



    To play what game? Have you seen what they have shown, can you imagine unveiling what's behind the curtain, all the sales would dry up. Need to keep this concealed for as long as possible to squeeze every penny they can, before exposing what is really going on here.
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  • XodicXodic Member EpicPosts: 1,056
    These are all true propositions, but one of them has to make more logical sense than the others.

    It's Caspien's job to leach money from Elyrianites.
    It's the Elyrianite's job to be the source of that money.
    ⇒ Everyone is doing their job.

    It's Caspien's job to leach money from Elyrianites.
    It's the Elyrianite's job to hold him accountable.
    ⇒ Caspien is the only one doing their job.

    It's Caspien's job to create a game for Elyrianites.
    It's the Elyrianite's job to pay for it.
    ⇒ Elyrianites are the only ones doing their job.

    It's Caspien's job to create a game for Elyrianites.
    It's the Elyrianite's job to hold him accountable.
    ⇒ No one is doing their job.
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  • goboygogoboygo Member RarePosts: 2,136
    TEKK3N said:
    Loot boxes for a non existent game.
    What's the loot?
    Just curious.
    Random store items.  Plus 3 new items for the Event/sale.  goldboyy45 said:
    Iselin said:
    The project that thinks it's already a game and monetizes accordingly.

    Selling lootboxes with fluffy shit when you can use said fluff immediately in a game is one thing, but this takes it to another level. Is there anything gamers won't buy?
    The best part is assigning arbitrary value to said items, which don't exist in a game that doesn't exist.
    I wasn't sure how to sum up what I was I thinking but you guys did a pretty good job.  I would actually have respect for the company if they just said....  We need money to finish our game, were going to do another fundraising campaign,  we need to raise X amount of money.  Here is exactly what we have so far, here is what we still need to do.
    Gdemami
  • goldboyy45goldboyy45 Member UncommonPosts: 207
    goboygo said:
    TEKK3N said:
    Loot boxes for a non existent game.
    What's the loot?
    Just curious.
    Random store items.  Plus 3 new items for the Event/sale.  goldboyy45 said:
    Iselin said:
    The project that thinks it's already a game and monetizes accordingly.

    Selling lootboxes with fluffy shit when you can use said fluff immediately in a game is one thing, but this takes it to another level. Is there anything gamers won't buy?
    The best part is assigning arbitrary value to said items, which don't exist in a game that doesn't exist.
    I wasn't sure how to sum up what I was I thinking but you guys did a pretty good job.  I would actually have respect for the company if they just said....  We need money to finish our game, were going to do another fundraising campaign,  we need to raise X amount of money.  Here is exactly what we have so far, here is what we still need to do.
    When will people realize they will never be truthful or have transparency...why? Because people can't handle the truth, this is why it's easier to paint a fairy tale picture and keep on saying shit is going perfect. Hopefully people won't be too surprised once the curtains here are unveiled, I sure as hell won't be.
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  • KyleranKyleran Member LegendaryPosts: 35,162
    edited December 2019
    https://chroniclesofelyria.com/forum/topic/34338/longest-night-approaches?page=1#31

    The Longest Night Premium Calendar (Ltd. Supply) will go on sale for $75 USD on Friday through Monday, before returning to its regular price of $95 USD on Tuesday!

    Despite deleting some posts posts and moderating others they had to lock the thread.

    What they are doing is trying to sell lootboxes under the cover of a lore event/sale.  They were quickly called out.  Caspien attempted to justify it by saying it was based on Advent calendars which pre-date lootboxes and that they are a great value.

    Then he locked the thread.

    Thoughts?
    And Serpantis just locked the follow up thread. Apparently you don't talk about surprise mechanics.

    ;)

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  • Slapshot1188Slapshot1188 Member LegendaryPosts: 11,494
    goboygo said:
    I wasn't sure how to sum up what I was I thinking but you guys did a pretty good job.  I would actually have respect for the company if they just said....  We need money to finish our game, were going to do another fundraising campaign,  we need to raise X amount of money.  Here is exactly what we have so far, here is what we still need to do.
    Then the frogs might feel the temperature getting raised and jump out of the pot. 

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  • goldboyy45goldboyy45 Member UncommonPosts: 207
    goboygo said:
    I wasn't sure how to sum up what I was I thinking but you guys did a pretty good job.  I would actually have respect for the company if they just said....  We need money to finish our game, were going to do another fundraising campaign,  we need to raise X amount of money.  Here is exactly what we have so far, here is what we still need to do.
    Then the frogs might feel the temperature getting raised and jump out of the pot. 
    Exactly this. Caspian used to be more humble back in the day, now he realized that his whales will throw money at just about anything. The key is to include the words "great value" and "limited in qualities", remember how well it worked for the bees? People spent over 100$ on this virtual insect. Settlers of Elyria is coming up and before you know it KSV 2020 in May is coming up. I have a feeling instead of working on the game they are working on making their website pretty for SoE and working on new stretch goals and feature creep to add for the KSV which will follow a few months after Settlers ends. Wake me up when they have an early testable demo/client.
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  • AnOldFartAnOldFart Member UncommonPosts: 506
    AnOldFart said:
    Not going to read this thread because I can guess what's said.

    Is this loot boxes? 
    Yes - to a degree.

    Should it be done?
    No

    Would I buy one?
    If I still believed this game will release - yes.

    My reasoning. 

    Loot boxes sell digital items with a random chance of getting stuff. Sometimes in lesser value and sometimes in value. They are gambling on getting something more valuable.

    This "calender" guarantees you get things of greater value.

    The kicker is that you can't guarantee that what you get is what you want. Hence still has a gambling aspect. 


    So why would I buy it if I still followed the game.
    Simple answer is, I could hopefully sell the items on the marketplace and probably get what I need or a greater value in their EP points.
    In other words I could probably turn it to a profit.

    But because of how the development has been going I will not invest any more money. 
    Do you feel  this is a slap in the face for those folk that spent full money on single items prior to this? Sure the loot box is random items but it's still at a massive discount. Remember the loot box guarantees the 3 new promotional items so already it pretty much pays for itself. Shameful Soulbound doesn't care about devaluing it's customers. Why even buy anything alone anymore? Just wait until December 2020 and pick up the loot box to get these items at 60-70% off.
    Yes, yes I do think it is. 
  • NorseGodNorseGod Member EpicPosts: 2,532
    This will never stop until the gaming community stops supporting this business practice.
    To talk about games without the censorship, check out https://www.reddit.com/r/MMORPG/
  • GdemamiGdemami Member EpicPosts: 11,938
    NorseGod said:
    This will never stop until the gaming community stops supporting this business practice.
    ....yeah, people spent money on business models you don't approve of, assholes.
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  • DakeruDakeru Member EpicPosts: 3,746
    Gdemami said:
    NorseGod said:
    This will never stop until the gaming community stops supporting this business practice.
    ....yeah, people spent money on business models you don't approve of, assholes.
    I'm not sure if this can be called a business model. It's just so close to being a scam.

    I just applied for a new flat.
    The owner told me she is currently overseas but I can make a deposit with a third party and have the flat immediately.
    An agent will be coming around to hand me a key and the contract.

    Who here believes I will get the flat after sending them money?

    Who here believes the game will be just what it was promised to be after people already paid up?
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  • GdemamiGdemami Member EpicPosts: 11,938
    edited December 2019
    Dakeru said:
    It's just so close to being a scam.
    It isn't.

    Again, you don't have to spent money on it nor they need your approval.

    Get over yourself.
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  • DakeruDakeru Member EpicPosts: 3,746
    Gdemami said:
    Dakeru said:
    It's just so close to being a scam.
    It isn't.

    Again, you don't have to spent money on it nor they need your approval.

    Get over yourself.
    Doesn't the same count for you?
    You are telling everyone that we have no idea.

    Why do you feel your opinion is so much more valuable than ours?
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