People all over the world are trying to circumvent the law ,i see it in gaming and legal court cases,seems we simply live in a world full of really bad people.
What do people think of the term FOUNDER's packs? What do people think FREE to play is?
Gaming is full of deceptive practices and even websites,media,events like awards shows,gamescon's etc etc are all bullshit.
It is so bad that it really appears to be expected by too many now,less people complaining and just accepting all the bullshit we live with.
Gaming became more dishonest once it became a very large market,way too much competition,so each are trying to find ways to win the competition war.Simple ideas like when Guild Wars first arrived,telling us how other games are doing it wrong and that they were going to make it all better for we the gamer.
Blizzard PRETENDING to care about toxic gaming but thrive off the very competitive nature of pvp gaming.
Could we just have a simple market,play some game's for fun,a sort of hobby a way to pass some time,is that too much to ask?
Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.
I like how the defenders are arbitrarily re-defining lootboxes as "A gambling item that you can get something of lower value then what you had paid for." Going to look for giveaways and tell them that I'm redefining giveaway to giving something for free specifically to me, and if they don't give me it then it's a scam. Because that's how the english language works now apparently, if you don't like what the word implies then just change the definition to suit your purpose.
You know, until I read this thread and did a Google search I had not realized Advent calendars had been "commercialized" in recent years to deliver actual products such as candy, toys, cosmetics or what not.
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Is Gdemami going for the record for posting LOL's on people's comments without ever making any meaningful comments himself? I'm beginning to wonder if he knows what LOL means...
Is Gdemami going for the record for posting LOL's on people's comments without ever making any meaningful comments himself? I'm beginning to wonder if he knows what LOL means...
They are his early Christmas gifts to the community.
My SWTOR referral link for those wanting to give the game a try. (Newbies get a welcome package while returning players get a few account upgrades to help with their preferred status.)
Well, the "good news " then is Caspian stated in Discord the Settlers of Elyria promotion will be starting in 2019 and carry through into 2020, so plenty more ways to spend money besides these "advent" style loot boxes.
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LOOTBOXES!? There isn't even a game yet. At least in another game if I choose to buy a lootbox, trust me I never do, I would get something even if it was junk I didn't want. F this game man.
...did you know you don't have to buy anything in COE shop?
If you happen to gift someone something, that is the purpose of the send button on the item in your inventory. If they happen to gift you something back, then lucky you. That is not the same as us condoning trading, which we do not.
Is Gdemami going for the record for posting LOL's on people's comments without ever making any meaningful comments himself? I'm beginning to wonder if he knows what LOL means...
Of course he doesn't, but he acts like the smart one.
If you happen to gift someone something, that is the purpose of the send button on the item in your inventory. If they happen to gift you something back, then lucky you. That is not the same as us condoning trading, which we do not.
This can't be for real?
I assure you it is. The timestamp is included so feel free to go read it yourself.
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Forum comments "This looks interesting" , "cool love it" , "Ahhhh, I do love surprises" hahahaha. And whales defending it, no words... I seen better games made out of asset flipping than this.
Forum comments "This looks interesting" , "cool love it" , "Ahhhh, I do love surprises" hahahaha. And whales defending it, no words... I seen better games made out of asset flipping than this.
Speaking of..I think JamesP has shown more in game footage than SBS.
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That is why he is so desperate to rename it as a "calendar". In their Discord people have literally argued that you can't call it a Loot Crate or Loot Box because it's not a crate or a box...
I just keep thinking of him wiggling his fingers and going: "These are not the LootBoxes you are looking for". And then they tell each other, "These are not the Loot Boxes we are looking for"
Edit as a follow up this didn't take long. Now the Community manager is giving the OK for people to BUY their Exposition Points (EP) and use those to trade for items:
Serpentius?Today at 4:05 PM
If the ToS states real money selling of virtual goods is against our policy, then it is. If the studio deems that gift cards are equivalent to real money, then it is against our policy and we can moderate as we deem necessary. We have not specified that EP is against the terms, would you like us to? Bottom line is, you can use whatever logic you want, but unless we act on it then mutual gifting that involves EP isn't currently against our policy.
This one is a gem:
Serpentius?Today at 4:11 PM
If you happen to gift someone something, that is the purpose of the send button on the item in your inventory. If they happen to gift you something back, then lucky you. That is not the same as us condoning trading, which we do not.
When employees start trying to find loopholes in their own ToS, you know it's over. When they start flaunting their own rules and giving the okay to loopholes, they've basically stopped caring.
Seriously though, CoE and SBS is just the gift that keeps on giving. I do sympathize with those that have put money into this though. It's also not funny or entertaining to them.
Sunk Cost fallacy seems rife in CoE's community because the red flags are numerous and obvious, but they still seem to support SBS and their practices. I'm basically just saying what everyone else is saying though (Those of us on the outside I think).
That is why he is so desperate to rename it as a "calendar". In their Discord people have literally argued that you can't call it a Loot Crate or Loot Box because it's not a crate or a box...
I just keep thinking of him wiggling his fingers and going: "These are not the LootBoxes you are looking for". And then they tell each other, "These are not the Loot Boxes we are looking for"
Edit as a follow up this didn't take long. Now the Community manager is giving the OK for people to BUY their Exposition Points (EP) and use those to trade for items:
Serpentius?Today at 4:05 PM
If the ToS states real money selling of virtual goods is against our policy, then it is. If the studio deems that gift cards are equivalent to real money, then it is against our policy and we can moderate as we deem necessary. We have not specified that EP is against the terms, would you like us to? Bottom line is, you can use whatever logic you want, but unless we act on it then mutual gifting that involves EP isn't currently against our policy.
This one is a gem:
Serpentius?Today at 4:11 PM
If you happen to gift someone something, that is the purpose of the send button on the item in your inventory. If they happen to gift you something back, then lucky you. That is not the same as us condoning trading, which we do not.
When employees start trying to find loopholes in their own ToS, you know it's over. When they start flaunting their own rules and giving the okay to loopholes, they've basically stopped caring.
Seriously though, CoE and SBS is just the gift that keeps on giving. I do sympathize with those that have put money into this though. It's also not funny or entertaining to them.
Sunk Cost fallacy seems rife in CoE's community because the red flags are numerous and obvious, but they still seem to support SBS and their practices. I'm basically just saying what everyone else is saying though (Those of us on the outside I think).
I think their problem is more that they can't communicate their rule clearly enough.
It would be ok if they said something like
"Trading is against ToS, but we do not currently take actions against this in situations where both parties send stuff to each other through our gifting system. However please be aware that to prevent scammers from earning money through cheating in trades, we will ban everyone who proposes a trade or engages in trade that involves sending stuff outside our gifting system"
Their problem is that they're dancing around the issue instead of having someone with expertise spell out what they do.
Only 95 dollars? For a non existing game? With only a chance of actually getting what you want, with only a chance of that being made, with only a chance of the actual game being made so you can claim that item? Honey, hand me my creditcard, I am going full retard.
/Cheers, Lahnmir
'the only way he could nail it any better is if he used a cross.'
Kyleran on yours sincerely
'But there are many. You can play them entirely solo, and even offline. Also, you are wrong by default.'
Ikcin in response to yours sincerely debating whether or not single-player offline MMOs exist...
'This does not apply just to ED but SC or any other game. What they will get is Rebirth/X4, likely prettier but equally underwhelming and pointless.
It is incredibly difficult to design some meaningfull leg content that would fit a space ship game - simply because it is not a leg game.
It is just huge resource waste....'
Gdemami absolutely not being an armchair developer
Only 95 dollars? For a non existing game? With only a chance of actually getting what you want, with only a chance of that being made, with only a chance of the actual game being made so you can claim that item? Honey, hand me my creditcard, I am going full retard.
/Cheers, Lahnmir
$95 buys a pretty big pile of lottery tickets. The lottery is probably closer to your home, making even the local convenience store almost as convenient. Most lotteries even have on-line apps now, so they can take your money at nearly crowdfunding rates.
I'll leave it to you to decide for yourself which one gives more value for the money, but there are other ways to throw your money away.
Logic, my dear, merely enables one to be wrong with great authority.
Only 95 dollars? For a non existing game? With only a chance of actually getting what you want, with only a chance of that being made, with only a chance of the actual game being made so you can claim that item? Honey, hand me my creditcard, I am going full retard.
/Cheers, Lahnmir
$95 buys a pretty big pile of lottery tickets. The lottery is probably closer to your home, making even the local convenience store almost as convenient. Most lotteries even have on-line apps now, so they can take your money at nearly crowdfunding rates.
I'll leave it to you to decide for yourself which one gives more value for the money, but there are other ways to throw your money away.
Well, I have a fireplace and its getting colder and I am out of wood.....
/Cheers, Lahnmir
'the only way he could nail it any better is if he used a cross.'
Kyleran on yours sincerely
'But there are many. You can play them entirely solo, and even offline. Also, you are wrong by default.'
Ikcin in response to yours sincerely debating whether or not single-player offline MMOs exist...
'This does not apply just to ED but SC or any other game. What they will get is Rebirth/X4, likely prettier but equally underwhelming and pointless.
It is incredibly difficult to design some meaningfull leg content that would fit a space ship game - simply because it is not a leg game.
It is just huge resource waste....'
Gdemami absolutely not being an armchair developer
At this point this is pretty standard. Wake me up when a company actually decides to release a game and not a pay for development experience.
I’ll concede the point if you can show me one other company that said they would not have lootboxes and then sold $95 lootboxes while in dev only pre-alpha.
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Blasphemy.
Can i ask one question? is there even something playable right now?
All these companies milking the boomers without even having something launched.
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What do people think of the term FOUNDER's packs?
What do people think FREE to play is?
Gaming is full of deceptive practices and even websites,media,events like awards shows,gamescon's etc etc are all bullshit.
It is so bad that it really appears to be expected by too many now,less people complaining and just accepting all the bullshit we live with.
Gaming became more dishonest once it became a very large market,way too much competition,so each are trying to find ways to win the competition war.Simple ideas like when Guild Wars first arrived,telling us how other games are doing it wrong and that they were going to make it all better for we the gamer.
Blizzard PRETENDING to care about toxic gaming but thrive off the very competitive nature of pvp gaming.
Could we just have a simple market,play some game's for fun,a sort of hobby a way to pass some time,is that too much to ask?
Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.
I hate what the season has become even more now.
F! those people ....
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https://www.ashesofcreation.com/ref/Callaron/
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Shocking news.
Serpentius?Today at 4:11 PM
This can't be for real?
All time classic MY NEW FAVORITE POST! (Keep laying those bricks)
"I should point out that no other company has shipped out a beta on a disc before this." - Official Mortal Online Lead Community Moderator
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"I need to finish" - Christian Wolff: The Accountant
Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
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"This is the most intelligent, well qualified and articulate response to a post I have ever seen on these forums. It's a shame most people here won't have the attention span to read past the second line." - Anon
Seriously though, CoE and SBS is just the gift that keeps on giving. I do sympathize with those that have put money into this though. It's also not funny or entertaining to them.
Sunk Cost fallacy seems rife in CoE's community because the red flags are numerous and obvious, but they still seem to support SBS and their practices. I'm basically just saying what everyone else is saying though (Those of us on the outside I think).
It would be ok if they said something like
"Trading is against ToS, but we do not currently take actions against this in situations where both parties send stuff to each other through our gifting system. However please be aware that to prevent scammers from earning money through cheating in trades, we will ban everyone who proposes a trade or engages in trade that involves sending stuff outside our gifting system"
Their problem is that they're dancing around the issue instead of having someone with expertise spell out what they do.
/Cheers,
Lahnmir
Kyleran on yours sincerely
'But there are many. You can play them entirely solo, and even offline. Also, you are wrong by default.'
Ikcin in response to yours sincerely debating whether or not single-player offline MMOs exist...
'This does not apply just to ED but SC or any other game. What they will get is Rebirth/X4, likely prettier but equally underwhelming and pointless.
It is incredibly difficult to design some meaningfull leg content that would fit a space ship game - simply because it is not a leg game.
It is just huge resource waste....'
Gdemami absolutely not being an armchair developer
Logic, my dear, merely enables one to be wrong with great authority.
/Cheers,
Lahnmir
Kyleran on yours sincerely
'But there are many. You can play them entirely solo, and even offline. Also, you are wrong by default.'
Ikcin in response to yours sincerely debating whether or not single-player offline MMOs exist...
'This does not apply just to ED but SC or any other game. What they will get is Rebirth/X4, likely prettier but equally underwhelming and pointless.
It is incredibly difficult to design some meaningfull leg content that would fit a space ship game - simply because it is not a leg game.
It is just huge resource waste....'
Gdemami absolutely not being an armchair developer
All time classic MY NEW FAVORITE POST! (Keep laying those bricks)
"I should point out that no other company has shipped out a beta on a disc before this." - Official Mortal Online Lead Community Moderator
Proudly wearing the Harbinger badge since Dec 23, 2017.
Coined the phrase "Role-Playing a Development Team" January 2018
"Oddly Slap is the main reason I stay in these forums." - Mystichaze April 9th 2018