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Blizzard President Jay Allen Brack Addresses Controversy At BlizzCon 2019 - MMORPG.com

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  • QuizzicalQuizzical Member LegendaryPosts: 21,459
    DMKano said:
    Arterius said:
    Sure it was an empty apology but they also gave me Diablo 4 so it evens out


    Hmm it sure doesn't even out for Blitzhung and the 2 casters that are still banned.

    Sort of a selfish way to look at it imo


    Hey Blitchung and 2 casters are still screwed, but I am fine so who cares right?

    The apology should have been to THEM not to us
    It depends.  The controversy got them a lot more publicity than they probably expected, and certainly a lot more than it would have gotten if Blizzard had ignored it or quietly issued a new "no politics" rule.  Depending on their life situation and how strongly they feel about this, that might be worth the six month ban to them.
  • DoomsDay01DoomsDay01 Member UncommonPosts: 781
    One of the most meaningless heartfelt apologies ever. Words mean very little when it comes to banning and censorship. Actions is what counts. If they would have said that bblitzchung was unbanned and the college guys unbanned then it would have been a more meaningful apology. They broke NO rules yet are still punished. It's one thing if they had a direct rule against it but to use the bs rule "do anything we don't like regardless if there isn't a rule and we get rid of you" is absolutely ridiculous. Sorry blizzard, just like the nfl knee bending manchildren, I choose to take my time and money elsewhere.
    DMKanoHatefullAeanderAnweir
  • rojoArcueidrojoArcueid Member EpicPosts: 10,236
    edited November 2019

    namcost said:

    console sales for diablo 4 meaning lessor graphics to appease console peasants.... ugh.



    im so disappointed.



    i'm getting tired of these idiotic excuses (not calling you idiot, but this idea). Consoles aren't holding high end PC's back. The MAJORITY of PC gamers using cheap ass machines (yes, me included) are holding high end PC back.

    I have a bunch of PC master race friends that refuse to buy a console, spending a lot of money on used PC parts (to save money) and their machines run as poorly or worst as my base model PS4. What do they do? they blame bad game optimization because their PCs can't run shit. I can only laugh at that sort of crap.

    Getting bad PC ports? blame the studio who did a poor job. Or blame the publisher for not funding a separate PC development to take advantage of the... oh wait, maybe not enough people are willing to spend on high end machines to make that separate PC development profitable? i don't know.
    Post edited by rojoArcueid on
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  • goozmaniagoozmania Member UncommonPosts: 283
    edited November 2019
    The only acceptable apology is pulling out of China until they end their suppression of human rights. Harvesting organs from living people in concentration camps IS NOT POLITICS. Conquering an independent democratic state and overturning their system of government IS NOT POLITICS. The American government has to work with China, as it is a global power. American companies are under no obligation to, and it is unethical for them to continue doing business there.
    DMKanoHatefullAeanderNephethAnweir
  • NycteliosNyctelios Member EpicPosts: 3,656
    Again... some white knights need to sharpen their blades, they ar quite dull.
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  • DMKanoDMKano Member LegendaryPosts: 21,977
    edited November 2019
    goozmania said:
    The only acceptable apology is pulling out of China until they end their suppression of human rights. Harvesting organs from living people in concentration camps IS NOT POLITICS. Conquering an independent democratic state and overturning their system of government IS NOT POLITICS. The American government has to work with China, as it is a global power. American companies are under no obligation to, and it is unethical for them to continue doing business there.


    However when money is > all then companies dont give a crap about anything else. 

    Sure they will talk about how they are all about human rights and blah blah-  but in reality it's all about the $$$$

    Blizzard is no different - they are literally telling the western public one thing and telling china a completely different thing  - because they want money from both and dont want to upset either market. 

    Its same old bullshit tactics that all companies who work with China do.


  • NycteliosNyctelios Member EpicPosts: 3,656

    Arterius
    Steam ID Discord ID: Night # 6102 - GoG ID - 

    "There is a fine line between consideration and hesitation. The former is wisdom, the latter is fear." Izaro Phrecius, Holy Emperor of the Eternal Empire, Last of Royal Phrecius Family.
  • QuizzicalQuizzical Member LegendaryPosts: 21,459
    goozmania said:
    The only acceptable apology is pulling out of China until they end their suppression of human rights. Harvesting organs from living people in concentration camps IS NOT POLITICS. Conquering an independent democratic state and overturning their system of government IS NOT POLITICS. The American government has to work with China, as it is a global power. American companies are under no obligation to, and it is unethical for them to continue doing business there.
    Hong Kong is not and never has been an independent, democratic state.  Hong Kong was a British colony before they were turned over to China.

    The only independent country that China has conquered and annexed in the last century or so is Tibet, and I don't think they were a democracy before that, though my attempts at looking it up failed.  That said, Tibet is another reason to criticize the government of China, and one that hasn't been as prominent as some others recently.
    HatefullNephethIceAge
  • HatefullHatefull Member EpicPosts: 2,275

    DMKano said:

    That was the weakest apology ever



    How so? Considering Blizzard did not owe an apology anyway, it seemed pretty legit to me.

    If you want a new idea, go read an old book.

  • DMKanoDMKano Member LegendaryPosts: 21,977
    Hatefull said:

    DMKano said:

    That was the weakest apology ever



    How so? Considering Blizzard did not owe an apology anyway, it seemed pretty legit to me.


    They said actions speak louder than words... they took no action

    Blitzchung still has a 6 month ban

    The 2 Taiwanese casters - still a 6 month ban for each


    An apology without action is worthless.
    HatefullAeanderNephethPanzerbeorne39
  • rojoArcueidrojoArcueid Member EpicPosts: 10,236
    DMKano said:
    Hatefull said:

    DMKano said:

    That was the weakest apology ever



    How so? Considering Blizzard did not owe an apology anyway, it seemed pretty legit to me.


    They said actions speak louder than words... they took no action

    Blitzchung still has a 6 month ban

    The 2 Taiwanese casters - still a 6 month ban for each


    An apology without action is worthless.
    Well... J. A. Brack chose his words carefully by saying "we will do better going forward".
    Reading between the lines i've got "Blitzchung and the casters will remain banned but we will do better next time."
    Hatefull




  • HatefullHatefull Member EpicPosts: 2,275
    DMKano said:
    Hatefull said:

    DMKano said:

    That was the weakest apology ever



    How so? Considering Blizzard did not owe an apology anyway, it seemed pretty legit to me.


    They said actions speak louder than words... they took no action

    Blitzchung still has a 6 month ban

    The 2 Taiwanese casters - still a 6 month ban for each


    An apology without action is worthless.
    Well, instead of permaban and no prize money its 6 months and he gets his prize money...so show me where no action was taken.

    Also, you headed to Hong Kong to help protest? I am sure they would love to have an American there to help them out, there are may there already FYI, you know, real activist, that want to make a real difference...instead of coming to a gaming site...to rant of (falsely in most instances) about how screwed up it is that gaming company does not want to be involved in politics...

    Essentially, nut up, let's see how hard you are. Drop a note when you get to HK, I know some great places to eat there, oh and how to avoid the mob.
    NephethIceAge

    If you want a new idea, go read an old book.

  • goozmaniagoozmania Member UncommonPosts: 283
    Quizzical said:
    goozmania said:
    The only acceptable apology is pulling out of China until they end their suppression of human rights. Harvesting organs from living people in concentration camps IS NOT POLITICS. Conquering an independent democratic state and overturning their system of government IS NOT POLITICS. The American government has to work with China, as it is a global power. American companies are under no obligation to, and it is unethical for them to continue doing business there.
    Hong Kong is not and never has been an independent, democratic state.  Hong Kong was a British colony before they were turned over to China.

    The only independent country that China has conquered and annexed in the last century or so is Tibet, and I don't think they were a democracy before that, though my attempts at looking it up failed.  That said, Tibet is another reason to criticize the government of China, and one that hasn't been as prominent as some others recently.
    Hong Kong was an independent, democratic state when it was a British colony. China agreed to leave it as such, for a time. It has had its own government, its own elections and its own economic policy.
    NephethAnweir
  • HatefullHatefull Member EpicPosts: 2,275
    edited November 2019
    goozmania said:
    Quizzical said:
    goozmania said:
    The only acceptable apology is pulling out of China until they end their suppression of human rights. Harvesting organs from living people in concentration camps IS NOT POLITICS. Conquering an independent democratic state and overturning their system of government IS NOT POLITICS. The American government has to work with China, as it is a global power. American companies are under no obligation to, and it is unethical for them to continue doing business there.
    Hong Kong is not and never has been an independent, democratic state.  Hong Kong was a British colony before they were turned over to China.

    The only independent country that China has conquered and annexed in the last century or so is Tibet, and I don't think they were a democracy before that, though my attempts at looking it up failed.  That said, Tibet is another reason to criticize the government of China, and one that hasn't been as prominent as some others recently.
    Hong Kong was an independent, democratic state when it was a British colony. China agreed to leave it as such, for a time. It has had its own government, its own elections and its own economic policy.
    Your sentences contradict one another. Before its return to China, Hong Kong was ruled by a governor that was appointed by and represented the Monarch of the UK. That is absolutely not a democracy. Essentially, you have no idea what you are on about.

    Source
    Nepheth

    If you want a new idea, go read an old book.

  • UtinniUtinni Member EpicPosts: 1,429
    Hatefull said:
    DMKano said:
    Hatefull said:

    DMKano said:

    That was the weakest apology ever



    How so? Considering Blizzard did not owe an apology anyway, it seemed pretty legit to me.


    They said actions speak louder than words... they took no action

    Blitzchung still has a 6 month ban

    The 2 Taiwanese casters - still a 6 month ban for each


    An apology without action is worthless.


    Essentially, nut up, let's see how hard you are. Drop a note when you get to HK, I know some great places to eat there, oh and how to avoid the mob.
    Unfortunately they are closing down a lot of the older vendors in HK. It's a shame because some of those malls have the best food in the city. Craving curry brisket soup now.
    Hatefull
  • UtinniUtinni Member EpicPosts: 1,429
    goozmania said:
    The only acceptable apology is pulling out of China until they end their suppression of human rights. Harvesting organs from living people in concentration camps IS NOT POLITICS. Conquering an independent democratic state and overturning their system of government IS NOT POLITICS. The American government has to work with China, as it is a global power. American companies are under no obligation to, and it is unethical for them to continue doing business there.
    You say it's unethical for american companies to work with china, but I bet 90% of the things you own involved china. How unethical of you!
    HatefullAeanderNepheth
  • goozmaniagoozmania Member UncommonPosts: 283
    Utinni said:
    goozmania said:
    The only acceptable apology is pulling out of China until they end their suppression of human rights. Harvesting organs from living people in concentration camps IS NOT POLITICS. Conquering an independent democratic state and overturning their system of government IS NOT POLITICS. The American government has to work with China, as it is a global power. American companies are under no obligation to, and it is unethical for them to continue doing business there.
    You say it's unethical for american companies to work with china, but I bet 90% of the things you own involved china. How unethical of you!
    This really is the stupidest argument people can possibly make, and they continue doing it.
    HatefullAeanderNephethAnweir
  • UtinniUtinni Member EpicPosts: 1,429
    goozmania said:
    Utinni said:
    goozmania said:
    The only acceptable apology is pulling out of China until they end their suppression of human rights. Harvesting organs from living people in concentration camps IS NOT POLITICS. Conquering an independent democratic state and overturning their system of government IS NOT POLITICS. The American government has to work with China, as it is a global power. American companies are under no obligation to, and it is unethical for them to continue doing business there.
    You say it's unethical for american companies to work with china, but I bet 90% of the things you own involved china. How unethical of you!
    This really is the stupidest argument people can possibly make, and they continue doing it.
    Why? Because you can't defend it? It's true, is it not? You want others to stop supporting china but are unwilling to do it yourself. You cute.
    HatefullNepheth
  • DoomsDay01DoomsDay01 Member UncommonPosts: 781
    edited November 2019
    Hatefull said:
    DMKano said:
    Hatefull said:

    DMKano said:

    That was the weakest apology ever



    How so? Considering Blizzard did not owe an apology anyway, it seemed pretty legit to me.


    They said actions speak louder than words... they took no action

    Blitzchung still has a 6 month ban

    The 2 Taiwanese casters - still a 6 month ban for each


    An apology without action is worthless.
    Well, instead of permaban and no prize money its 6 months and he gets his prize money...so show me where no action was taken.



    You kinda missed the point. They broke no rule. There should not have been a ban to begin with. The rule stated they broke is a bs rule that says if we dont like something you say we can do what ever we want. Why have any other rule than that then? That covers everything. So anything besides completely reversing that decision is nothing more than meaningless.

    Saying we will do better next time is not an apology, Its an excuse to get away with what they did.  They chose sides and the side they chose was china. The ONLY reason they did anything was it being high in the news and getting government officials involved. They didnt care one bit that their own employees walked out in protest. They can be replaced especially with all that china money rolling in.

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  • AlbatroesAlbatroes Member LegendaryPosts: 6,876
    Utinni said:
    goozmania said:
    Utinni said:
    goozmania said:
    The only acceptable apology is pulling out of China until they end their suppression of human rights. Harvesting organs from living people in concentration camps IS NOT POLITICS. Conquering an independent democratic state and overturning their system of government IS NOT POLITICS. The American government has to work with China, as it is a global power. American companies are under no obligation to, and it is unethical for them to continue doing business there.
    You say it's unethical for american companies to work with china, but I bet 90% of the things you own involved china. How unethical of you!
    This really is the stupidest argument people can possibly make, and they continue doing it.
    Why? Because you can't defend it? It's true, is it not? You want others to stop supporting china but are unwilling to do it yourself. You cute.
    I mean, sure. You are absolutely right. When I buy clothes that say "made in China" I obviously support child labor and sweatshops.
    HatefullDMKano
  • Prime_DirectivePrime_Directive Member EpicPosts: 1,923
    I am glad this controversy happened because no one was really paying attention how deep chin// was in owning shares in multimedia / communications. 

    Keep your apology for the next generation who will  be jailed for speaking an opinion that differs from your overlord. 

    There is a multiverse inside our minds which millions live.
  • lahnmirlahnmir Member LegendaryPosts: 3,062
    DMKano said:
    Quizzical said:
    Did the article not quote the apology?  Or did it basically consist of, "I'm sorry, but I'm not sure what for"?


    They said we are sorry.

    Still kept 6 month bans in place.

    Like literally didn't take any action at all to reverse the bans that are still in place
    They reversed the prize money though and lowered the ban by 50%, so they did take some action. Things that can cause outrage are always more fun though so lets conveniently skip that part for sake of the conversation.

    /Cheers,
    Lahnmir
    HatefullNepheth
    'the only way he could nail it any better is if he used a cross.'

    Kyleran on yours sincerely 


    But there are many. You can play them entirely solo, and even offline. Also, you are wrong by default.

    Ikcin in response to yours sincerely debating whether or not single-player offline MMOs exist...
  • SwampDragonsSwampDragons Member UncommonPosts: 350
    Loved it all ❤️
  • HatefullHatefull Member EpicPosts: 2,275
    Hatefull said:
    DMKano said:
    Hatefull said:

    DMKano said:

    That was the weakest apology ever



    How so? Considering Blizzard did not owe an apology anyway, it seemed pretty legit to me.


    They said actions speak louder than words... they took no action

    Blitzchung still has a 6 month ban

    The 2 Taiwanese casters - still a 6 month ban for each


    An apology without action is worthless.
    Well, instead of permaban and no prize money its 6 months and he gets his prize money...so show me where no action was taken.



    You kinda missed the point. They broke no rule. There should not have been a ban to begin with. The rule stated they broke is a bs rule that says if we dont like something you say we can do what ever we want. Why have any other rule than that then? That covers everything. So anything besides completely reversing that decision is nothing more than meaningless.

    Saying we will do better next time is not an apology, Its an excuse to get away with what they did.  They chose sides and the side they chose was china. The ONLY reason they did anything was it being high in the news and getting government officials involved. They didnt care one bit that their own employees walked out in protest. They can be replaced especially with all that china money rolling in.

    No, you kinda missed the point, they absolutely did break a rule, it was said in the original piece about the ban from both sides.

    If Blizzard wants to reevaluate its stance that is all well and good, and it is far more of an apology than was deserved.

    Yeah funny story, a business exists to make money, welcome to the real world.

    If you want a new idea, go read an old book.

  • tawesstawess Member EpicPosts: 4,179
    Why are we still painting Blizzchung as a victim..? The dude all but flat out admitted that he knew what was going to happen and that it was the best way to force Blizzard to acknowledge the issue... And looking back i´d say worked pretty much flawlessly. In fact he lost nothing of value by breaking the rules. 

    The issue got about 1000x more exposure then if Blizzard just would have come out on their own... 

    Yeah... A 6 month ban from one  tournament circuit... Yeah that means nothing. Not with the added publicity and personal brand value this action added. 

    (I do feel a bit sorry for the casters tho... They did probably not know what was going to happen.)
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    This have been a good conversation

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