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Forum Discussion: Can PvP and PvE Coexist? - MMORPG.com

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edited October 2019 in News & Features Discussion

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  • mmoloummolou Member UncommonPosts: 219
    So news on this site now is picking an ongoing forum topic and posting about it in the news and features section?
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  • KyleranKyleran Member LegendaryPosts: 34,911
    A touch of irony in their choice to feature @delete5230 's thread, but good to see his chat ban is over, welcome back.
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  • TheDarkrayneTheDarkrayne Member EpicPosts: 5,297

    mmolou said:

    So news on this site now is picking an ongoing forum topic and posting about it in the news and features section?



    Hey, at least we know the people running this site are actually reading what we're saying.

    It does create a duplicate discussion though, even if their intent is to bring more attention to forum topics they think are interesting.
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  • Slapshot1188Slapshot1188 Member LegendaryPosts: 11,378
    Fascinating conversation? Did this guy just start reading the site? This is the 3218th time this exact topic has been discussed on here.

    Let me guess, the next few fascinating discussions:

    Are cosmetic items P2W?
    Can PvE games really be P2W?
    Are lootboxes gambing?
    Cake vs Pie?
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  • DarkHighDarkHigh Member UncommonPosts: 150


    Fascinating conversation? Did this guy just start reading the site? This is the 3218th time this exact topic has been discussed on here.



    Let me guess, the next few fascinating discussions:



    Are cosmetic items P2W?

    Can PvE games really be P2W?

    Are lootboxes gambing?

    Cake vs Pie?




    First off, Pie>Cake you piece of *!#(

    j/k =P
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  • FlyByKnightFlyByKnight Member EpicPosts: 3,967
    More blatant thread jacking by MMORPG giving no credit to the original poster. You guys are professional as hell. Lots of integrity too.

    I guess the other "Have you called in sick from work to play" thread wasn't a coincidence. Did MMORPG get taken over by a bunch of street urchins who pick pocket to survive? Sheesh.
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  • Mackaveli44Mackaveli44 Member RarePosts: 606
    Unless game companies separate PvP and PvE skills similar to how FFXIV does it, than nope they can't because there will always be balance issues and metas.
  • KalafaxKalafax Member UncommonPosts: 567


    More blatant thread jacking by MMORPG giving no credit to the original poster. You guys are professional as hell. Lots of integrity too.



    I guess the other "Have you called in sick from work to play" thread wasn't a coincidence. Did MMORPG get taken over by a bunch of street urchins who pick pocket to survive? Sheesh.



    Can you not read? The second line in that post says "OP delete5230 originally posted the following", thus giving credit to the Original Poster by name, and linking to the original thread.
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  • GrymGrym Member UncommonPosts: 262
    PvP and PvE can only coexist if PvP is consensual or limited to PvP zones. Dark Age of Camelot, Elder Scrolls Online, City of Heroes, etc. I would probably enjoy PvP if it was done in the spirit of Role Play (i.e. attack another player because they insulted your honor, picked your pocket, or got busy with your favored concubine). But senseless attacks just because they get their jolly ganking newbs is not fun for the average PVE player. And contrary to what PvPers like to espouse, there are more PVE players out there than PvP players within most MMOs.
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  • JudgeUKJudgeUK Member RarePosts: 1,490
    Aion is the lesson here with it's much vaunted at launch PVPVE. How did that go?
    Subscription game reduced fairly quickly to ftp. EU game sold off to a wallet grab publisher.
    Gankers paradise for anyone trying to actually pve.
    Busted idea is busted.
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  • NeblessNebless Member UncommonPosts: 1,288
    edited October 2019
    The only Pvp I've really liked was in SWG, I think they did it with an eye towards the best of both worlds.  It was all faction based and for open world it was consensual; you had to flag yourself for it, plus they had zoned Pvp area's and once in awhile in the early years the GM's would step in and create mixed PvE/PvP warfare zones in the city's.

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  • HunctucavetoHunctucaveto Member UncommonPosts: 20
    Cake, the rest of the discussion is dull.
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  • moshramoshra Member RarePosts: 326
    JudgeUK said:
    Aion is the lesson here with it's much vaunted at launch PVPVE. How did that go?
    Subscription game reduced fairly quickly to ftp. EU game sold off to a wallet grab publisher.
    Gankers paradise for anyone trying to actually pve.
    Busted idea is busted.

    Aren't there plenty of PVE games that have gone FTP rather quickly?  Aion maybe failed because it was a bad game in general, not just because it allowed pvp.
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  • szharperszharper Member UncommonPosts: 15
    There is no PVE only MMORPG. If you cannot interact to other players besides TRADE, its not an MMORPG imho. Many MMO's fail on how to implement the PVP system.

    1) Absence or Little punishment for the PKer - Griefers will walk around thinking thier are kings of the game, sometimes this creates whole guilds of scumbags. If the game is full loot on death, dear lord....indeed paradise.

    2) Too much punishment - Usually the punishment is so high that PVP is avoided at all costs. Although some players would create a char just for griefing.

    3) Zones ONLY for PVP - This is a a problem to both sides, if a PVP Zone have a rewards for PVP, PVErs will complain, if the zone have no or low rewards..well no point of doing the PVP.

    4) "MMSOG's" Massive Multiplayer Solo Online Game - Games where you have no necessity of allies or groups. They are solo games where everyone play at same server, so the absense of groups to stand against de predators also generates the imbalance

    Ken Kesey - "“This world . . . belongs to the strong, my friend! ..."
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    This applies to REAL LIFE and for sure on MMO's, like or not, stronger devours the weak...but as well protect them. If the PVP mechanics is well implemented, you will see PVPers fighting but a very limited number of griefers. Don't get me wrong, people will still be able to attack, that is part of the adrenaline of the adventure. I dont usually see PVErs complaining that they died from a mob or in a DG/RAID that was stronger than them, but usually they will if its a player.

    I'm also a great advocate for the best gear be obtained only trought some process that PVP is involved, for example: open DG/RAID, Commerce route that is dangerous (weather/mobs/other players), Seiges/region control, etc... I'm in favor of the gear be able to be sold/trade, so the PVE strict player can have access, but they will need understand they have thier limitation as they are not doing the full content. Like saying "I wanna lose weight without stop eating lasagna", well you will need work a lot more to get the goal, same as a PVEr.


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  • TillerTiller Member EpicPosts: 8,429


    Unless game companies separate PvP and PvE skills similar to how FFXIV does it, than nope they can't because there will always be balance issues and metas.



    Even if you separate them there are balance issues *cough* GW2
    So why not have open world PvP as an option like SWG.
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  • TheJodaTheJoda Member UncommonPosts: 605
    I doubt vanilla WOW was the only game that got open world PvP right. Blade & Soul has a great system for example.

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  • stebo104stebo104 Member UncommonPosts: 23
    Forget if pvp and pve can coexist, need to find out if blizzard (more importantly activision) can survive this dumpster fire they just created. People got to remember activsion controls everything that blizzard does so they are the ones to be aiming at, not just blizzard.
  • DMKanoDMKano Member LegendaryPosts: 21,973
    edited October 2019
    They can coexit - but one will be far worse than the other in open world MMORPGs setting.

    In the end - you either make a PvE mmorpg or a PvP mmorpg - never both.

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  • MendelMendel Member EpicPosts: 3,534
    Come on, MMORPG.com staff.  Do we really need a PVE and PVP thread to compete with the other one?  This one can't be considered an editorial piece, as the OP merely quotes snippets from the other thread and offers no opinion of their own.

    Yes, the other thread was created by @delete5230.  But he comes up with some good ideas occasionally.  If people look at the topic's creator and reject it, that's their loss.  No need to step all over his topic.



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  • Octagon7711Octagon7711 Member LegendaryPosts: 8,922
    Fascinating conversation? Did this guy just start reading the site? This is the 3218th time this exact topic has been discussed on here.

    Let me guess, the next few fascinating discussions:

    Are cosmetic items P2W?
    Can PvE games really be P2W?
    Are lootboxes gambing?
    Cake vs Pie?
    My vote is cake for everyday and pie for special occasions.  :-)

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  • moshramoshra Member RarePosts: 326
    Mendel said:
    Come on, MMORPG.com staff.  Do we really need a PVE and PVP thread to compete with the other one?  This one can't be considered an editorial piece, as the OP merely quotes snippets from the other thread and offers no opinion of their own.

    Yes, the other thread was created by @delete5230.  But he comes up with some good ideas occasionally.  If people look at the topic's creator and reject it, that's their loss.  No need to step all over his topic.



    This one has a some art to accompany it though.
  • unfilteredJWunfilteredJW Member UncommonPosts: 314
    Of course. PvP is and always will be a mini game.

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  • HarikenHariken Member RarePosts: 2,413
    NO, THEY CAN'T PERIOD. And I'm really getting sick and tired of devs trying to push this crap on the players. Like putting important rewards from PVE in PVP zones. It's why I refuse to support games or the devs that keep pulling this kind of BS any more. And if your end game is nothing but PVP you can keep it.
  • TillerTiller Member EpicPosts: 8,429
    Flag to PvP, unflag to stop doing that and go about your life. There, all that is needed in any MMO.
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  • NorseGodNorseGod Member EpicPosts: 2,517
    I just hate maintaining a PVE set and PVP set.
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