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They are supposed to be showing some stuff off sometime this October. MJ has said so over on MassivelyOP. At least I think it's in October.. it's either this month or next.
When i read about this CUBE idea i just thought zzzz another Minecraft type game.Then the whole premise behind playing this game is to pvp each other..zzzzz.
If this was their goal to make it EASY to design and write mods,they could have licensed the Atlas engine that comes with a modding dev kit likely saving 2 years and likely at a very reasonable price.
I know i shouldn't complain about hand drawn maps,dragging terrain points around but you know what,it doesn't look any better than fro example Atlas's game world.It likely will look much worse.
I really do not get the intrigue of wanting a tri faction pvp game,i really don't it doesn't do anything to excite me.If i was interested and wanted to pvp,i would want tons of factions like 20+ all with some npc factions,some roaming some not so much.
Then because there are so many low budget games all doing the same thing,this game has to compete with the likes of Crowfall for example.I think at one time Mr.Jacobs thought this was a good idea but now with such a flooded gaming market,the piece of the pie is so small it is not worth it.
Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.
There is no in game footage so we must be talking at least 2 or 3 years to launch?
Backers are under NDA, so no gameplay footage unless it comes from the devs themselves.
Strangely enough the devs rarely release any in game footage....always keeping things firmly under the NDA cloak.
So my guess is they still feel it wouldn't put the game in a very flattering light yet.
So 2 or 3 more years might not be inaccurate.
And yet its still releasing this year ... until the team agree otherwise.
I can't tell if you really believe this or if you're being sarcastic.
Neither.
I am simply repeating what MJ has said. Are you suggesting that MJ is being sarcastic? Delusional? Dishonest? I'm not. I struggle with the idea that MJ is coming out with 100% bullshit.
Now I don't know the current state of the game and there is the NDA etc. Yet there are lots of posts suggesting that the game is "years" away.
Yet I struggle with the idea that the team is so bad at estimating a release date that they can - knowingly - be so far out. If they are that raises lots of flags. And its now October and its still "this year".
And the only way I can square the circle is if "something" is launching "soon". Nominally this year (maybe a bit later but my now they should know). A something that may not be at all what people expect.
There is no in game footage so we must be talking at least 2 or 3 years to launch?
Backers are under NDA, so no gameplay footage unless it comes from the devs themselves.
Strangely enough the devs rarely release any in game footage....always keeping things firmly under the NDA cloak.
So my guess is they still feel it wouldn't put the game in a very flattering light yet.
So 2 or 3 more years might not be inaccurate.
And yet its still releasing this year ... until the team agree otherwise.
I can't tell if you really believe this or if you're being sarcastic.
Neither.
I am simply repeating what MJ has said. Are you suggesting that MJ is being sarcastic? Delusional? Dishonest? I'm not. I struggle with the idea that MJ is coming out with 100% bullshit.
Now I don't know the current state of the game and there is the NDA etc. Yet there are lots of posts suggesting that the game is "years" away.
Yet I struggle with the idea that the team is so bad at estimating a release date that they can - knowingly - be so far out. If they are that raises lots of flags. And its now October and its still "this year".
And the only way I can square the circle is if "something" is launching "soon". Nominally this year (maybe a bit later but my now they should know). A something that may not be at all what people expect.
So not sarcastic or believing more "puzzled".
Are you aware of MJ's history with time estimates on this game?
And, knowing what we do know about the state of the game's development, are you telling me that you still think there is a remote chance the game will launch this year? There is an NDA, true, but you can tell from MJ's updates that the development is still largely conceptual and is in what's traditionally considered to be an alpha state, or even pre-alpha. But if you want to ignore what he's been releasing and what we've been saying and believe the game may come out this year, simply because of what he has said, go for it.
They are supposed to be showing some stuff off sometime this October. MJ has said so over on MassivelyOP. At least I think it's in October.. it's either this month or next.
I don't know what they would show. Unless its stuff that backers aren't allowed to play because the game isn't even there yet. I can't say much because I am under a NDA but this game is barely in alpha
That's another huge red flag. If they truly wanted to be forthcoming and transparent about the game, they wouldn't still have an NDA in place after all this time. They give constant updates about all the wonderful things that are supposed to be coming to the game soon, but they won't let the masses see what's really going on in the "beta." Doesn't anyone wonder what it is they're trying to hide?
There is no in game footage so we must be talking at least 2 or 3 years to launch?
Backers are under NDA, so no gameplay footage unless it comes from the devs themselves.
Strangely enough the devs rarely release any in game footage....always keeping things firmly under the NDA cloak.
So my guess is they still feel it wouldn't put the game in a very flattering light yet.
So 2 or 3 more years might not be inaccurate.
And yet its still releasing this year ... until the team agree otherwise.
I recall MJ replying to one of my posts on MOP back in June they were still on track to deliver this year.
He also went on to say if that changed they would first tell their investors, and then update their backers.
Although I'm an alpha backer I have never logged into their forums or logged into the game as it would be too confusing for me to discern what I could discuss being bound under their NDA.
Another alpha backer on these forums stated about a month ago MJ did provide an update on the release status on the backer only forums but of course didn't state what it was and I didn't go look.
My guess is they didn't tell everyone to prepare for an imminent launch and there's been little evidence that there is even a remote chance of it happening this year.
Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
Fools find no pleasure in understanding but delight in airing their own opinions. Pvbs 18:2, NIV
Don't just play games, inhabit virtual worlds™
"This is the most intelligent, well qualified and articulate response to a post I have ever seen on these forums. It's a shame most people here won't have the attention span to read past the second line." - Anon
There is no in game footage so we must be talking at least 2 or 3 years to launch?
Backers are under NDA, so no gameplay footage unless it comes from the devs themselves.
Strangely enough the devs rarely release any in game footage....always keeping things firmly under the NDA cloak.
So my guess is they still feel it wouldn't put the game in a very flattering light yet.
So 2 or 3 more years might not be inaccurate.
And yet its still releasing this year ... until the team agree otherwise.
I can't tell if you really believe this or if you're being sarcastic.
Neither.
I am simply repeating what MJ has said. Are you suggesting that MJ is being sarcastic? Delusional? Dishonest? I'm not. I struggle with the idea that MJ is coming out with 100% bullshit.
Now I don't know the current state of the game and there is the NDA etc. Yet there are lots of posts suggesting that the game is "years" away.
Yet I struggle with the idea that the team is so bad at estimating a release date that they can - knowingly - be so far out. If they are that raises lots of flags. And its now October and its still "this year".
And the only way I can square the circle is if "something" is launching "soon". Nominally this year (maybe a bit later but my now they should know). A something that may not be at all what people expect.
So not sarcastic or believing more "puzzled".
Are you aware of MJ's history with time estimates on this game?
And, knowing what we do know about the state of the game's development, are you telling me that you still think there is a remote chance the game will launch this year? There is an NDA, true, but you can tell from MJ's updates that the development is still largely conceptual and is in what's traditionally considered to be an alpha state, or even pre-alpha. But if you want to ignore what he's been releasing and what we've been saying and believe the game may come out this year, simply because of what he has said, go for it.
Yes I am aware. (Also aware that DAoC released unfinished.)
No I am not saying something is going to release. MJ (and team) has.
Lets assume that you are right. Which I have no problem at all with btw. That raises some serious issues.
As I said yes I am aware of previous estimates. Its one thing to say a couple of years and it turns out to be 4 or 5 etc.
Its a whole other level of incompetence though when its no longer early days and "within 6 months " turns out to be maybe 3 years or whatever.
And with less than 3 months to go ... at that point devs really should "know". With some degree of confidence.
So - rhetorical question - is it: a) MJ / team are totally incompetent at estimating - not just bad but galactic orders of magnitude bad. from there. b) MJ team know but its their secret c) something is releasing.
@Arterius 's post highlights the same "problem". MJ says something is releasing, @Arterius is also "puzzled" (hope that captures the posts intent).
If - as you (I think) say its a) - badly out with the estimates - there are huge implications. If there time estimate is massively out their financial estimate must be as well. And since this is more of an "investment" funded development - there being so little crowdfunding - and investors want a return on their investment their original business plan must be looking increasingly optimistic. If - for example - money from game sales was going to pay for developers etc. post launch and instead it goes to reduce investor loans ......
Just to be clear though I have no issue with your view. Its the "official" statements that leave me puzzled, bemused etc.
There is no in game footage so we must be talking at least 2 or 3 years to launch?
Backers are under NDA, so no gameplay footage unless it comes from the devs themselves.
Strangely enough the devs rarely release any in game footage....always keeping things firmly under the NDA cloak.
So my guess is they still feel it wouldn't put the game in a very flattering light yet.
So 2 or 3 more years might not be inaccurate.
And yet its still releasing this year ... until the team agree otherwise.
I can't tell if you really believe this or if you're being sarcastic.
Neither.
I am simply repeating what MJ has said. Are you suggesting that MJ is being sarcastic? Delusional? Dishonest? I'm not. I struggle with the idea that MJ is coming out with 100% bullshit.
Now I don't know the current state of the game and there is the NDA etc. Yet there are lots of posts suggesting that the game is "years" away.
Yet I struggle with the idea that the team is so bad at estimating a release date that they can - knowingly - be so far out. If they are that raises lots of flags. And its now October and its still "this year".
And the only way I can square the circle is if "something" is launching "soon". Nominally this year (maybe a bit later but my now they should know). A something that may not be at all what people expect.
So not sarcastic or believing more "puzzled".
Are you aware of MJ's history with time estimates on this game?
And, knowing what we do know about the state of the game's development, are you telling me that you still think there is a remote chance the game will launch this year? There is an NDA, true, but you can tell from MJ's updates that the development is still largely conceptual and is in what's traditionally considered to be an alpha state, or even pre-alpha. But if you want to ignore what he's been releasing and what we've been saying and believe the game may come out this year, simply because of what he has said, go for it.
Yes I am aware. (Also aware that DAoC released unfinished.)
No I am not saying something is going to release. MJ (and team) has.
Lets assume that you are right. Which I have no problem at all with btw. That raises some serious issues.
As I said yes I am aware of previous estimates. Its one thing to say a couple of years and it turns out to be 4 or 5 etc.
Its a whole other level of incompetence though when its no longer early days and "within 6 months " turns out to be maybe 3 years or whatever.
And with less than 3 months to go ... at that point devs really should "know". With some degree of confidence.
So - rhetorical question - is it: a) MJ / team are totally incompetent at estimating - not just bad but galactic orders of magnitude bad. from there. b) MJ team know but its their secret c) something is releasing.
@Arterius 's post highlights the same "problem". MJ says something is releasing, @Arterius is also "puzzled" (hope that captures the posts intent).
If - as you (I think) say its a) - badly out with the estimates - there are huge implications. If there time estimate is massively out their financial estimate must be as well. And since this is more of an "investment" funded development - there being so little crowdfunding - and investors want a return on their investment their original business plan must be looking increasingly optimistic. If - for example - money from game sales was going to pay for developers etc. post launch and instead it goes to reduce investor loans ......
Just to be clear though I have no issue with your view. Its the "official" statements that leave me puzzled, bemused etc.
I understand. The only thing I can suggest is, when MJ says anything relating to a release schedule, simply don't take it seriously.
It's not launching this year. That should been obvious for months to anybody just from reading the weekly updates. It's not even in Beta 2 yet and they haven't even given us a vague date for when that will start (I'd guess next summer) and when they do give us a vague date they'll inevitably miss it or only hit it by deciding a bunch of stuff that had been considered required didn't actually have to get done like they did with Beta 1. If they even get the final support class, Skalds, in the build and finish the Linux server conversion by the end of the year, I'd consider that good progress for CSE. But that leaves out a lot of stuff that will need to be done just to get into Beta 2 let alone launch.
Barring an amazing speed up in dev productivity which we've seen no sign of to date, launch next year seems pretty doubtful too. I expect the state of the game update in October (or whenever it actually happens since even doing things like that often happens late with this game) to be full of optimism about launching in 2020, but I see little reason for anybody to believe that. Late 2021 launch is my current guess assuming they don't cut corners or leave out a lot of content for after launch in order to launch sooner.
And that doesn't even start to address whether the game that actually launches will even be fun. There's a long way to go to achieve that goal.
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Backers are under NDA, so no gameplay footage unless it comes from the devs themselves.
"Keep in mind, the Dark Fool is not ready yet for testing. However, the team assures us that this will be their focus next week."
Or sometime within the next two years. Let's just keep playing it fast and loose with timelines.
So my guess is they still feel it wouldn't put the game in a very flattering light yet.
So 2 or 3 more years might not be inaccurate.
"True friends stab you in the front." | Oscar Wilde
"I need to finish" - Christian Wolff: The Accountant
Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
Fools find no pleasure in understanding but delight in airing their own opinions. Pvbs 18:2, NIV
Don't just play games, inhabit virtual worlds™
"This is the most intelligent, well qualified and articulate response to a post I have ever seen on these forums. It's a shame most people here won't have the attention span to read past the second line." - Anon
If this was their goal to make it EASY to design and write mods,they could have licensed the Atlas engine that comes with a modding dev kit likely saving 2 years and likely at a very reasonable price.
I know i shouldn't complain about hand drawn maps,dragging terrain points around but you know what,it doesn't look any better than fro example Atlas's game world.It likely will look much worse.
I really do not get the intrigue of wanting a tri faction pvp game,i really don't it doesn't do anything to excite me.If i was interested and wanted to pvp,i would want tons of factions like 20+ all with some npc factions,some roaming some not so much.
Then because there are so many low budget games all doing the same thing,this game has to compete with the likes of Crowfall for example.I think at one time Mr.Jacobs thought this was a good idea but now with such a flooded gaming market,the piece of the pie is so small it is not worth it.
Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.
I am simply repeating what MJ has said. Are you suggesting that MJ is being sarcastic? Delusional? Dishonest? I'm not. I struggle with the idea that MJ is coming out with 100% bullshit.
Now I don't know the current state of the game and there is the NDA etc. Yet there are lots of posts suggesting that the game is "years" away.
Yet I struggle with the idea that the team is so bad at estimating a release date that they can - knowingly - be so far out. If they are that raises lots of flags. And its now October and its still "this year".
And the only way I can square the circle is if "something" is launching "soon". Nominally this year (maybe a bit later but my now they should know). A something that may not be at all what people expect.
So not sarcastic or believing more "puzzled".
And, knowing what we do know about the state of the game's development, are you telling me that you still think there is a remote chance the game will launch this year? There is an NDA, true, but you can tell from MJ's updates that the development is still largely conceptual and is in what's traditionally considered to be an alpha state, or even pre-alpha. But if you want to ignore what he's been releasing and what we've been saying and believe the game may come out this year, simply because of what he has said, go for it.
He also went on to say if that changed they would first tell their investors, and then update their backers.
Although I'm an alpha backer I have never logged into their forums or logged into the game as it would be too confusing for me to discern what I could discuss being bound under their NDA.
Another alpha backer on these forums stated about a month ago MJ did provide an update on the release status on the backer only forums but of course didn't state what it was and I didn't go look.
My guess is they didn't tell everyone to prepare for an imminent launch and there's been little evidence that there is even a remote chance of it happening this year.
"True friends stab you in the front." | Oscar Wilde
"I need to finish" - Christian Wolff: The Accountant
Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
Fools find no pleasure in understanding but delight in airing their own opinions. Pvbs 18:2, NIV
Don't just play games, inhabit virtual worlds™
"This is the most intelligent, well qualified and articulate response to a post I have ever seen on these forums. It's a shame most people here won't have the attention span to read past the second line." - Anon
Yes I am aware. (Also aware that DAoC released unfinished.)
No I am not saying something is going to release. MJ (and team) has.
Lets assume that you are right. Which I have no problem at all with btw. That raises some serious issues.
As I said yes I am aware of previous estimates. Its one thing to say a couple of years and it turns out to be 4 or 5 etc.
Its a whole other level of incompetence though when its no longer early days and "within 6 months " turns out to be maybe 3 years or whatever.
And with less than 3 months to go ... at that point devs really should "know". With some degree of confidence.
So - rhetorical question - is it:
a) MJ / team are totally incompetent at estimating - not just bad but galactic orders of magnitude bad. from there.
b) MJ team know but its their secret
c) something is releasing.
@Arterius 's post highlights the same "problem". MJ says something is releasing, @Arterius is also "puzzled" (hope that captures the posts intent).
If - as you (I think) say its a) - badly out with the estimates - there are huge implications. If there time estimate is massively out their financial estimate must be as well. And since this is more of an "investment" funded development - there being so little crowdfunding - and investors want a return on their investment their original business plan must be looking increasingly optimistic. If - for example - money from game sales was going to pay for developers etc. post launch and instead it goes to reduce investor loans ......
Just to be clear though I have no issue with your view. Its the "official" statements that leave me puzzled, bemused etc.
Because it looks like ass.
Maybe late 2021 or sometime in 2022.
Development slowed waaaay the fuck down, at leasr from what I can play in alpha tests, since they got building destruction in.
It's just got a long way to go, and NOTHING in this game's development has gone as fast as anyone expected, and most of its taken far longer.
They still need moving islands, the AIR system, group functionality, guilds and economic structures, NPC interactions, integrated gameplay loops.
They still need to make all of that fun.
Then they need to bugfix it.
Then they need to polish it.
Then market it, and bugfix it some more.
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