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Lord.BachusLord.Bachus Member RarePosts: 9,686
in Pantheon: Rise of the Fallen
I loved how in EQ you could become really evil, and how the world reacted on that..
or become a good alligned troll friendly to the high elves, while an outcast to his own race

everythig yu did build faction..

will we see this in this game?


i am so hoping for a game where your actions make a difference...

Best MMO experiences : EQ(PvE), DAoC(PvP), WoW(total package) LOTRO (worldfeel) GW2 (Artstyle and animations and worlddesign) SWTOR (Story immersion) TSW (story) ESO (character advancement)

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  • cheyanecheyane Member LegendaryPosts: 9,309
    I too enjoyed that aspect of Everquest. I would work hard to gain faction and then reap the benefits of that gain in faction only to occasionally be killed by someone in the town who still considered you evil.
    AdamantineAmathecraftseeker
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  • delete5230delete5230 Member EpicPosts: 7,081
    edited September 2019
    Don't care one way or another.  I'm siding a little more on not if it involves more complicated time management or worst limits who you can play with.  I also hope the complexities of design does not add another un needed year of development..... The more I think about it, no ! 

    Something like this could take a co-op PvE game and divide it.... Why would you want that ?
  • AdamantineAdamantine Member RarePosts: 5,085
    Err ... occasionally killed by somebody ?!? I dont think I've ever heard of any game that implemented that this way. Would be really annoying for the player.

    And faction systems, as far as I'm concerned, are pretty stupid. Oh you killed thousands of mob X near our city, a mob we dont like ? Sure, now we loooove you. Yeah, right. Thats how that works in reallife, too, doesnt it. Oh wait, no it really doesnt. People dont magically know all your archievements in great detail.

    Instead I would prefer to see questlines. So you're a troll and want to enter that human city, you need to get official papers for that. You'll be given a number of tasks that show you're harmless enough, then you have to provide certain hard to attain items, then you have to pay a hefty fee as well, and only then you'll be allowed inside.

    Also I would prefer to see that some things just cant be done. So those Highelves just wont allow you access to their city, unless you're a Highelf. Woodelf, human, dwarf, halfling, etc - doesnt matter, all stay out.

    Likewise a troll settlement wont tolerate other races unless they are really strong. An orc or giant (as a race thats massive, but not necessarily evil; at least in D&D the most powerful giants arent actually evil) might enter, but the only way for a human, elf or dwarf to enter would be if theres a troll, orc or giant in the group as well.

  • kitaradkitarad Member LegendaryPosts: 8,097
    edited September 2019
    You do get killed because certain NPCs never come around. They don't care about the faction work, they are on another faction and therefore all the faction grinding has no effect on them. Granted you can avoid them if you're careful but sometimes you could still be killed if you're careless. You could not use the main paths but had to traverse the sewers or other means to reach the bank because the whole city isn't one faction and your religion also played a part in EQ. Your religion could get your killed even if you worked on your faction.

    @Adamantine you didn't play Everquest or would have understood how it worked there.

    Why would you compare this to real life?

    Of course they are aware because the people who live in the area mention your name and the authorities are made aware of your contributions. How else do you prove your allegiance if not showing the people that you're willing to kill their enemies. That even works in real life. It is not stupid at all.
    Amathecraftseeker

  • AmatheAmathe Member LegendaryPosts: 7,630
    Factions were excellent in EQ. Sometimes they led to comical results, like a buddy of mine ending up KOS in his home city.

    EQ1, EQ2, SWG, SWTOR, GW, GW2 CoH, CoV, FFXI, WoW, CO, War,TSW and a slew of free trials and beta tests

  • ChildoftheShadowsChildoftheShadows Member EpicPosts: 2,193
    delete5230 said:
    Don't care one way or another.  I'm siding a little more on not if it involves more complicated time management or worst limits who you can play with.  I also hope the complexities of design does not add another un needed year of development..... The more I think about it, no ! 

    Something like this could take a co-op PvE game and divide it.... Why would you want that ?
    I’m guessing you didn’t play EQ. It didn’t affect the ability to play together to any great extent.   
    craftseeker
  • XarkoXarko Member EpicPosts: 1,180
    Lord.Bachus said:
    I loved how in EQ you could become really evil, and how the world reacted on that..
    or become a good alligned troll friendly to the high elves, while an outcast to his own race

    everythig yu did build faction..

    will we see this in this game?


    i am so hoping for a game where your actions make a difference...
    I didn't play EQ, but yes. I believe factions and reputations are planned for this game and should work in similar fashion.
    Amathe
  • TheocritusTheocritus Member LegendaryPosts: 9,893
    One of the best parts about EQ was the factions. It was fun to take your Dark Elf and go kill guards at the High Elf city. I used to take my enchie into a couple of evil cities and use the race transformation spells to move around (though occasionally some NPCs could see thru that).
    Amathekitarad
  • AmatheAmathe Member LegendaryPosts: 7,630
    edited September 2019
     I also hope the complexities of design does not add another un needed year of development..... The more I think about it, no ! 


    I guess many of us (myself included) are guilty of playing this card. "Oh noes, they are working on 'whatever.' Now they will never finish teh game!"  Issue being, "whatever" is part of "the game." 
    delete5230

    EQ1, EQ2, SWG, SWTOR, GW, GW2 CoH, CoV, FFXI, WoW, CO, War,TSW and a slew of free trials and beta tests

  • AdamantineAdamantine Member RarePosts: 5,085
    kitarad said:
    @Adamantine you didn't play Everquest or would have understood how it worked there.

    Why would you compare this to real life?
    If I wanted to play EverQuest I would play EverQuest.

    And I compare it to reallife because its an idiotic system that makes no sense and wastes a ton of time for no good reason.

  • XthosXthos Member UncommonPosts: 2,740
    Yes, I was a Dark Elf Necro in EQ, I killed enough gnolls to be good faction wise for Qeynos guards.  Then I would have to watch out for Holly Windstalker out in the open area, and maybe a couple others that were on druid faction I think... I think I found something to get faction with them also...  Then all I had to worry about was a roaming paladin in Qeynos, because I did not have paladin faction and I don't think I ever found anything to get it.

    I don't mind it, and I never played EQ2 (well did for like a week I think, but the wife didn't want to play it), and we are playing it now on a progression server, and you have the same thing there.  I have to worry about Freeport guards killing my good character, while getting quests and such (some I cant get).
    BeezerbeezAmathe
  • WarEnsembleWarEnsemble Member UncommonPosts: 252
    I would rather see a detailed religion mechanic personally. EQ2 tried to do it but it fell very short of being worthwhile. Specific quests for specific gods, a tiered faction with your god that granted boons and banes unique to each god. It would b especially neat if there was a small chance your god, or a rival god, came down to smite your enemies or you!

    EQ2's guild leveling system was done very well. I would like to see that translated into a religion system.
    BeezerbeezMendel
  • TEKK3NTEKK3N Member RarePosts: 1,115
    Yes please.
  • NanfoodleNanfoodle Member LegendaryPosts: 10,742
    I loved that my Dark Elf Necro could walk into almost any city in the game. He was a Drizzt in the making. 
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