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Pro Hearthstone Player Suspended by Blizzard for Voicing Support for Hong Kong Protests - MMORPG.com

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  • GinazGinaz Member RarePosts: 2,207
    edited October 9
    Utinni said:
    I wonder how many people upset about this still own/use chinese products. I'd guess all of them.
    Difference is, we have to use some of those products in our everyday lives and there aren't real alternatives, esp. if those products are deemed essential.  Nothing about video games is essential.  Kind of like being an environmentalist but still traveling by gas/diesel powered transportation because there isn't a real viable alternative yet. 
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  • GinazGinaz Member RarePosts: 2,207
    Blizzard bowing down to china, just like when they handed over Diablo assets, to make their Chinese diablo knockoff Diablo Immortal. They even removed the witch doctor class for china LUL.
    I remember Blizzard changing the art work on some Hearthstone cards for the Chinese market, too.  Also, the witch doctor was removed partly because of the Chinese aversion to seeing skeletons and partly due to racism.  To say black Africans aren't popular in China would be an understatement.




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  • TorvalTorval Member LegendaryPosts: 19,793
    Utinni said:
    I wonder how many people upset about this still own/use chinese products. I'd guess all of them.
    I see this argument a lot and it has merit but I feel it's flawed. We should make a concerted effort, as individuals, to live up to our moral standards. If we care about the environment and ecosystem then we should live in an environmentally conscious manner when possible. But that's the catch, "when possible". When a problem is systemic individuals can't affect that change and can't be held accountable for needing to live within a broken system.

    An example in food. Affordable food often comes in the most environmentally unfriendly packaging. It is also often poor quality or unhealthy. Good organic food, packaged environmentally friendly with local economy sustainability in mind is freaking expensive, if it's even available.

    Can anyone even own a phone that isn't made in or from parts in China? I'd venture to guess those people are even more frustrated at the fact that their only viable alternative is something they don't want to support. Wouldn't it be nice if everyone could drive a BMW or Subaru? Let them eat cake if they have no bread. Blah blah, I hope that gets the point across.
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  • UtinniUtinni Member RarePosts: 1,180
    Torval said:
    Utinni said:
    I wonder how many people upset about this still own/use chinese products. I'd guess all of them.
    I see this argument a lot and it has merit but I feel it's flawed. We should make a concerted effort, as individuals, to live up to our moral standards. If we care about the environment and ecosystem then we should live in an environmentally conscious manner when possible. But that's the catch, "when possible". When a problem is systemic individuals can't affect that change and can't be held accountable for needing to live within a broken system.

    An example in food. Affordable food often comes in the most environmentally unfriendly packaging. It is also often poor quality or unhealthy. Good organic food, packaged environmentally friendly with local economy sustainability in mind is freaking expensive, if it's even available.

    Can anyone even own a phone that isn't made in or from parts in China? I'd venture to guess those people are even more frustrated at the fact that their only viable alternative is something they don't want to support. Wouldn't it be nice if everyone could drive a BMW or Subaru? Let them eat cake if they have no bread. Blah blah, I hope that gets the point across.
    Regardless of how you spin it you're still being hypocritical by directly supporting China but being upset when companies fall in line to appease them. Even BMW uses Chinese parts. Just because its inconvenient to make moral decisions on products you buy doesn't change the facts. It would also be inconvenient for blizzard to lose their #1 customer. We as consumers in a global economy have given China this power and now we have to deal with it.
  • MykellMykell Member UncommonPosts: 754
    I can sort of understand banning the pro gamer (thou its complete BS imo) but banning the 2 commentators is completely out of line. What's next? Blizzard tracking down people who viewed the stream and banning them?
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  • DMKanoDMKano Member LegendaryPosts: 21,572
    Mykell said:
    I can sort of understand banning the pro gamer (thou its complete BS imo) but banning the 2 commentators is completely out of line. What's next? Blizzard tracking down people who viewed the stream and banning them?

    Apparently China is not a fan of warnings. 
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  • IceAgeIceAge Member EpicPosts: 2,304
    Torval said:
    We can't separate politics and entertainment anymore. We haven't been able to for a long time, but we've been willing to stick our heads in the sand and pretend it doesn't matter. Governments and pundits have shoved their capitalist conks right in the middle of everything and won't let us ignore it anymore.


    That means you, Kano and others like you will start showing your political views more often on this site? Great, let me know when you guys will start, so I can ignore you one by one. Also reporting since its against the rules. I mean this thread right here is against the rules, but hey! Freedom of speech right?!

    I can care less about your or others political views when I come to mmorpg.com . I have my own websites where I go and "feed" my political shit. I don't want to see that here.

    But it seems you guys are already grabbing the forks and knifes and going on a crusade on an gaming website. 

    I wish you good luck with that. 
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  • IceAgeIceAge Member EpicPosts: 2,304
    DMKano said:
    Mykell said:
    I can sort of understand banning the pro gamer (thou its complete BS imo) but banning the 2 commentators is completely out of line. What's next? Blizzard tracking down people who viewed the stream and banning them?

    Apparently China is not a fan of warnings. 
    I already showed you Kano about the 2, yet, you are still ignoring facts.

    @Mykell ;


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  • ArteriusArterius Member EpicPosts: 2,055
    IceAge said:
    Torval said:
    We can't separate politics and entertainment anymore. We haven't been able to for a long time, but we've been willing to stick our heads in the sand and pretend it doesn't matter. Governments and pundits have shoved their capitalist conks right in the middle of everything and won't let us ignore it anymore.


    That means you, Kano and others like you will start showing your political views more often on this site? Great, let me know when you guys will start, so I can ignore you one by one. Also reporting since its against the rules. I mean this thread right here is against the rules, but hey! Freedom of speech right?!

    I can care less about your or others political views when I come to mmorpg.com . I have my own websites where I go and "feed" my political shit. I don't want to see that here.

    But it seems you guys are already grabbing the forks and knifes and going on a crusade on an gaming website. 

    I wish you good luck with that. 
    Reporting because its against the rules? You know where I am from in CA that wouldn't fly. Seriously though who cares. This thread was always going to be political. 
    Tuor7
  • IceAgeIceAge Member EpicPosts: 2,304
    Arterius said:
    IceAge said:
    Torval said:
    We can't separate politics and entertainment anymore. We haven't been able to for a long time, but we've been willing to stick our heads in the sand and pretend it doesn't matter. Governments and pundits have shoved their capitalist conks right in the middle of everything and won't let us ignore it anymore.


    That means you, Kano and others like you will start showing your political views more often on this site? Great, let me know when you guys will start, so I can ignore you one by one. Also reporting since its against the rules. I mean this thread right here is against the rules, but hey! Freedom of speech right?!

    I can care less about your or others political views when I come to mmorpg.com . I have my own websites where I go and "feed" my political shit. I don't want to see that here.

    But it seems you guys are already grabbing the forks and knifes and going on a crusade on an gaming website. 

    I wish you good luck with that. 
    Reporting because its against the rules? You know where I am from in CA that wouldn't fly. Seriously though who cares. This thread was always going to be political. 
    I wonder, if I didn't added "reporting" , would you still reply to my post? So you took something out of the context, and voila, you have now replyed to me.

    Congrats! :)

    PS: This "who cares" says everything about you and your CA exemple is ... childish. Reporting to mmorpg.com obviously.
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  • ArteriusArterius Member EpicPosts: 2,055
    edited October 9
    IceAge said:
    Arterius said:
    IceAge said:
    Torval said:
    We can't separate politics and entertainment anymore. We haven't been able to for a long time, but we've been willing to stick our heads in the sand and pretend it doesn't matter. Governments and pundits have shoved their capitalist conks right in the middle of everything and won't let us ignore it anymore.


    That means you, Kano and others like you will start showing your political views more often on this site? Great, let me know when you guys will start, so I can ignore you one by one. Also reporting since its against the rules. I mean this thread right here is against the rules, but hey! Freedom of speech right?!

    I can care less about your or others political views when I come to mmorpg.com . I have my own websites where I go and "feed" my political shit. I don't want to see that here.

    But it seems you guys are already grabbing the forks and knifes and going on a crusade on an gaming website. 

    I wish you good luck with that. 
    Reporting because its against the rules? You know where I am from in CA that wouldn't fly. Seriously though who cares. This thread was always going to be political. 
    I wonder, if I didn't added "reporting" , would you still reply to my post? So you took something out of the context, and voila, you have now replyed to me.

    Congrats! :)

    PS: This "who cares" says everything about you and your CA exemple is ... childish. Reporting to mmorpg.com obviously.
    Report all you want. Its a website. Its not like getting banned from here is going to wound me personally. There are dozens of other gaming sites I can go to. Your just acting like a child because no one is agreeing with your POV.
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  • NorseGodNorseGod Member EpicPosts: 2,375
    Mykell said:
    What's next? Blizzard tracking down people who viewed the stream and banning them?
    Yes.

    Screen capping this.
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  • Slapshot1188Slapshot1188 Member LegendaryPosts: 11,151
    Say whatever you want on your own time but do not use a company or leagues platform as a mechanism for voicing your personal views.

    I totally agree with what they guy said, but it was not appropriate to say during that stream.
    Ever heard of an athlete named Jesse Owens?
    Funny you should mention him....

    ——-

    Years after Jesse Owens' triumph in Berlin, he was in attendance at the 1968 Summer Olympics in Mexico. On October 16 American athlete Tommie Smith won the 200-meter dash, breaking the world record at the time. Another American, John Carlos, finished third. As the two stepped up onto the podiums to receive their medals the crowd noticed that they had removed their shoes and were wearing black stockings. As the flag raising ceremony began Smith and Carlos, each wearing a black glove on one hand, raised their fists in a Black Power salute and looked towards the ground, creating one of the most memorable moments and photographs in Olympic history. Smith and Carols were suspended and removed from the Olympic Village.

    Smith and Carlos
    Tommie Smith and John Carlos, 1968 Olympics, Associated Press

    Two black track athletes using the Olympics as a platform for a political protest caused all eyes to turn to Jesse Owens for a comment. Owens did provide his opinion in an interview. He said:

    These kids are imbued with the idea that there's a great deal of injustice in our nation. In their own way, they were trying to bring out what is wrong in our country. I told them that the problem certainly belonged in the continental borders of America. This was the wrong battlefield. Their running performances would have done more to alleviate the problem. Rather than the disrespect they showed to our flag and the discourtesy shown to the Mexican Government.

    —— 

    As I said... I agree with what the guy said, but the stream was the wrong place for it.  Just as if he had talked about how bad President Trump was, or how bad Elizabeth Warren was, or Obama, or Israel, or Mexico or anything else.  He chose to make a political statement in his place of work and thus received the consequences. 

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  • MyrdynnMyrdynn Member RarePosts: 2,388
    its all about money, nothing else, you saw what happened to the Houston Rockets owner too

    sadly most people even in China have no problem with Hong Kong wanting to be on their own, just like people in the US could care less if Florida wanted to be its own country
  • IceAgeIceAge Member EpicPosts: 2,304
    Arterius said:
    IceAge said:
    Arterius said:
    IceAge said:
    Torval said:
    We can't separate politics and entertainment anymore. We haven't been able to for a long time, but we've been willing to stick our heads in the sand and pretend it doesn't matter. Governments and pundits have shoved their capitalist conks right in the middle of everything and won't let us ignore it anymore.


    That means you, Kano and others like you will start showing your political views more often on this site? Great, let me know when you guys will start, so I can ignore you one by one. Also reporting since its against the rules. I mean this thread right here is against the rules, but hey! Freedom of speech right?!

    I can care less about your or others political views when I come to mmorpg.com . I have my own websites where I go and "feed" my political shit. I don't want to see that here.

    But it seems you guys are already grabbing the forks and knifes and going on a crusade on an gaming website. 

    I wish you good luck with that. 
    Reporting because its against the rules? You know where I am from in CA that wouldn't fly. Seriously though who cares. This thread was always going to be political. 
    I wonder, if I didn't added "reporting" , would you still reply to my post? So you took something out of the context, and voila, you have now replyed to me.

    Congrats! :)

    PS: This "who cares" says everything about you and your CA exemple is ... childish. Reporting to mmorpg.com obviously.
    Report all you want. Its a website. Its not like getting banned from here is going to wound me personally. There are dozens of other gaming sites I can go to. Your just acting like a child because no one is agreeing with your POV.
    "Reporting to mmorpg.com obviously", was not towards you, obviously. If you would read my post like you should and not take words out of context, you would realize what I was trying to say.

    No one is agreeing? Well , I think there are some who do. But even if there were none, is still my right to say my POV, right? ..right? :)

    Myrdynn said:

    sadly most people even in China have no problem with Hong Kong wanting to be on their own, just like people in the US could care less if Florida wanted to be its own country
    That's .. new to me. Is this real that people in US could care less if Florida wanted to be its own country?!

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  • NorseGodNorseGod Member EpicPosts: 2,375
    edited October 9
    IceAge said:
    Torval said:
     
     Also reporting since its against the rules. I mean this thread right here is against the rules, but hey! Freedom of speech right?!
    Wow, in both threads you sure seem to be for controlling speech, reporting, and banning people. 

    Nobody is stopping you from reporting the OP for starting this thread. If you're right, then the OP will be banned. It's that simple.


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  • ArteriusArterius Member EpicPosts: 2,055
    IceAge said:
    Arterius said:
    IceAge said:
    Arterius said:
    IceAge said:
    Torval said:
    We can't separate politics and entertainment anymore. We haven't been able to for a long time, but we've been willing to stick our heads in the sand and pretend it doesn't matter. Governments and pundits have shoved their capitalist conks right in the middle of everything and won't let us ignore it anymore.


    That means you, Kano and others like you will start showing your political views more often on this site? Great, let me know when you guys will start, so I can ignore you one by one. Also reporting since its against the rules. I mean this thread right here is against the rules, but hey! Freedom of speech right?!

    I can care less about your or others political views when I come to mmorpg.com . I have my own websites where I go and "feed" my political shit. I don't want to see that here.

    But it seems you guys are already grabbing the forks and knifes and going on a crusade on an gaming website. 

    I wish you good luck with that. 
    Reporting because its against the rules? You know where I am from in CA that wouldn't fly. Seriously though who cares. This thread was always going to be political. 
    I wonder, if I didn't added "reporting" , would you still reply to my post? So you took something out of the context, and voila, you have now replyed to me.

    Congrats! :)

    PS: This "who cares" says everything about you and your CA exemple is ... childish. Reporting to mmorpg.com obviously.
    Report all you want. Its a website. Its not like getting banned from here is going to wound me personally. There are dozens of other gaming sites I can go to. Your just acting like a child because no one is agreeing with your POV.
    "Reporting to mmorpg.com obviously", was not towards you, obviously. If you would read my post like you should and not take words out of context, you would realize what I was trying to say.

    No one is agreeing? Well , I think there are some who do. But even if there were none, is still my right to say my POV, right? ..right? :)

    Myrdynn said:

    sadly most people even in China have no problem with Hong Kong wanting to be on their own, just like people in the US could care less if Florida wanted to be its own country
    That's .. new to me. Is this real that people in US could care less if Florida wanted to be its own country?!
    No people would care. Donald Trump would def have something to say since Flordia has Marco Rubio and his golf resort.
  • DMKanoDMKano Member LegendaryPosts: 21,572
    edited October 9
    NorseGod said:
    IceAge said:
    Torval said:
     
     Also reporting since its against the rules. I mean this thread right here is against the rules, but hey! Freedom of speech right?!
    Wow, in both threads you sure seem to be for controlling speech, reporting, and banning people. 

    Nobody is stopping you from reporting the OP for starting this thread. If you're right, then the OP will be banned. It's that simple.



    The OP is the associate editor and news manager of this site... so ehm lol


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  • NorseGodNorseGod Member EpicPosts: 2,375
    DMKano said:
    NorseGod said:
    IceAge said:
    Torval said:
     


    The OP is one of the admins of this site... so ehm lol



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  • ArteriusArterius Member EpicPosts: 2,055
    DMKano said:
    NorseGod said:
    IceAge said:
    Torval said:
     
     Also reporting since its against the rules. I mean this thread right here is against the rules, but hey! Freedom of speech right?!
    Wow, in both threads you sure seem to be for controlling speech, reporting, and banning people. 

    Nobody is stopping you from reporting the OP for starting this thread. If you're right, then the OP will be banned. It's that simple.



    The OP is the associate editor and news manager of this site... so ehm lol



  • Slapshot1188Slapshot1188 Member LegendaryPosts: 11,151
    edited October 9
    Look at it this way: You (the reader) own a local pizzeria in a politically purple town.  That means 50/50 mix of whatever your local politics are.  You have uniform shirts that your employees wear.  Now imagine that one of your employees (without discussion with you prior) decided to wear a shirt that said local politician X was a criminal and should be arrested.   

    Now wether or not you agree with your employee is not the question.  The question is whether an employee should be able to make such a statement while representing your pizzeria without prior permission.  

    To me, the answer is self-evident.  Of course the employee has no such right to make such a statement while representing your pizzeria and potentially alienate many of your customers.  To argue that they do is ridiculous.   Now if that same employee wanted to wear that shirt at home on the weekend, more power to them, but that is quite different from what happened here.  

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  • AsheramAsheram Member EpicPosts: 3,877
    Hatefull said:
    if you don't like the decisions your government makes? You have multiple avenues, you can leave, 

    Can you really though? Takes 5 years to get mexican citizenship as opposed to 6 months to a year to get US citizenship. Dont know the other countries requirements. What if alot decide to leave? Well you know that isnt happening though.
  • RedMachine72RedMachine72 Member UncommonPosts: 154
    They only did it to protect their distribution in China. Speaking out against human rights violations should be able to be done on any platform, regardless of who runs it. Basically it was a case of "We do not support what was said.....please do not shut our servers in China down."
  • RhoklawRhoklaw Member EpicPosts: 6,561
    In case anyone was curious if Blizzard themselves lean towards any political bias?

    You can find the article here and don't forget to read the comments that follow because you may find just how ridiculous politics have become, yes, even in the gaming industry. Don't let these puppets dissuade you from thinking Blizzard is somehow not politically inclined to promote or oppose any particular agenda. It's completely and absolutely false.
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  • Slapshot1188Slapshot1188 Member LegendaryPosts: 11,151
    Rhoklaw said:
    In case anyone was curious if Blizzard themselves lean towards any political bias?

    You can find the article here and don't forget to read the comments that follow because you may find just how ridiculous politics have become, yes, even in the gaming industry. Don't let these puppets dissuade you from thinking Blizzard is somehow not politically inclined to promote or oppose any particular agenda. It's completely and absolutely false.
    I do not need to read the article because it is irrelevant.  The company gets to decide if it wants to weigh in on an issue, not each individual employee.

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    Starvault's reponse to criticism related to having a handful of players as the official "test" team for a supposed MMO: "We've just have another 10ish folk kind enough to voulenteer added tot the test team" (SIC) This explains much about the state of the game :-)

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