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Subscription only MMOs are pay to win and its good they mostly died out

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  • JudgeUKJudgeUK Member RarePosts: 1,485
    edited August 17
    OP you are confusing ptw with pay to play. The subscription model allows you to play, that is all.
    Whether you win or lose is then down to your ability.
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  • some-clueless-guysome-clueless-guy Member UncommonPosts: 212
    When the WTF reaction is not enough...
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  • ScorchienScorchien Member LegendaryPosts: 6,842
    edited August 17
    Xatsh said:
    Technically the OP is right it is pure 100% p2w, cause if you do not pay you obviously cannot win. Since you cannot even log in.
    No.  You cannot lose, either, if you choose not to play.  This is absurd.
    The obvious they are also missing is that with sub model everyone pays equal and on a level playing field ..

    pure P2W games the field gets lopsided rather fast
    Post edited by Scorchien on
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  • Viper482Viper482 Member EpicPosts: 2,650
    Stupid thread. 
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  • RemyVorenderRemyVorender Member RarePosts: 3,816
    Sub MMOs are the exact opposite of pay to win. derp.
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  • Vermillion_RaventhalVermillion_Raventhal Member EpicPosts: 3,908
    Lol
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  • AvanahAvanah Member RarePosts: 1,497
    People complain of BDO pay to win. Except you can play 100% free (well you had to buy it, but no forced sub) and buy most stuff on marketplace

    FFXIV? WoW? Both pay to win MMOs as two easy examples. In fact the only way to get the best gear or items is paying every month. You can't even begin to start winning without paying, and when you do pay it can take weeks or even months to get ahead or in WoW classic it took 1+ year

    That is the ultimate pay to win. Not only can you not even start to win without paying, you just can't do anything without paying. Often having to buy a 40-60 USD box price+buy the expansions. BDO? Pay optional besides the very cheap entry price and never worry again. Same with many other buy to play/f2p MMOs. 

    Its good the genre changed to be less pay to win and forcing the player to pay an obscene amount to play. BDO should however be 100% free, but its only 1 dollar or I saw it for 50 cents during black friday, literally on the cheapest sales if you get it from off-steam and the "shady" sites. pretty much free at that point.

    But still, GW2 got rid of its forced entry price and much better. GW2 dont have to pay anything not even latest expansion cause can earn money in game and then buy it with game money through gems (which I did for path of fire).

    These last hold out of pay to win sub MMOs are dying and its good, cause they are the ultimate example of pay to win....IN MY OPINION.


    I corrected your Post in BOLD.
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  • TheocritusTheocritus Member EpicPosts: 7,002
    I never felt that P2P was P2W, but it did feel like an unnecessary charge.....THose of us that played games like EQ where everything took forever knew they were trying to squeeze every dime out of us they could, and with P2P you have no option, you pay....Using the OPs example of BDO, I played for about 2 months and paid.....$4.99 total....I don't know of a sub game where i could have played for that amount.
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  • zeroscloudzeroscloud Member UncommonPosts: 39
    No way this is anything other than a troll. This can't be real
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  • KrimzinKrimzin Member UncommonPosts: 679
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  • IselinIselin Member LegendaryPosts: 12,792
    I went with LOL. WTF just seemed too serious for this thread.
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  • UtinniUtinni Member RarePosts: 922
    Finally a post that gets it. Everything in life is p2w.
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  • TillerTiller Member EpicPosts: 7,828
    This thread is what happens when you choose the wrong pill.
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  • UngoodUngood Member EpicPosts: 2,757
    I found it hilarious that not one single person could logically and rationally refute the OP.

    Everyone crying about reports, and posting insulting images and what have you.. no one stepped up to plate to prove them wrong.

    Fun thread.. 
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  • IselinIselin Member LegendaryPosts: 12,792
    edited August 17
    Ungood said:
    I found it hilarious that not one single person could logically and rationally refute the OP.

    Everyone crying about reports, and posting insulting images and what have you.. no one stepped up to plate to prove them wrong.

    Fun thread.. 
    Because most of us are not so stupid that we think P2W is a term that applies to play/not play and we know that it's something that only applies to those who already meet the minimum basic threshold of paying if that's what it takes to play, competing vs. others that also met that basic threshold... whatever it is.



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  • UngoodUngood Member EpicPosts: 2,757
    Iselin said:
    Ungood said:
    I found it hilarious that not one single person could logically and rationally refute the OP.

    Everyone crying about reports, and posting insulting images and what have you.. no one stepped up to plate to prove them wrong.

    Fun thread.. 
    Because most of us are not so stupid that we think P2W is a term that applies to play/not play and we know that it's something that only applies to those who already meet the minimum basic threshold of paying if that's what it takes to play, competing vs. others that also met that basic threshold... whatever it is.



     Oh spare me.. the modern candyass definition of P2W means spending money on anything you don't want to spend money on

    And I agree with the image.. which is why I gave up wasting my time with several other posters on this forums.
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  • IselinIselin Member LegendaryPosts: 12,792
    Ungood said:
    Iselin said:
    Ungood said:
    I found it hilarious that not one single person could logically and rationally refute the OP.

    Everyone crying about reports, and posting insulting images and what have you.. no one stepped up to plate to prove them wrong.

    Fun thread.. 
    Because most of us are not so stupid that we think P2W is a term that applies to play/not play and we know that it's something that only applies to those who already meet the minimum basic threshold of paying if that's what it takes to play, competing vs. others that also met that basic threshold... whatever it is.



     Oh spare me.. the modern candyass definition of P2W means spending money on anything you don't want to spend money on

    And I agree with the image.. which is why I gave up wasting my time with several other posters on this forums.
    No wonder you think the OP deserved a response. You're two of a kind.
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  • UngoodUngood Member EpicPosts: 2,757
    Iselin said:
    Ungood said:
    Iselin said:
    Ungood said:
    I found it hilarious that not one single person could logically and rationally refute the OP.

    Everyone crying about reports, and posting insulting images and what have you.. no one stepped up to plate to prove them wrong.

    Fun thread.. 
    Because most of us are not so stupid that we think P2W is a term that applies to play/not play and we know that it's something that only applies to those who already meet the minimum basic threshold of paying if that's what it takes to play, competing vs. others that also met that basic threshold... whatever it is.



     Oh spare me.. the modern candyass definition of P2W means spending money on anything you don't want to spend money on

    And I agree with the image.. which is why I gave up wasting my time with several other posters on this forums.
    No wonder you think the OP deserved a response. You're two of a kind.
    Well that was fast and fun.. right to the personal insults.

    No.. I'm old school, when someone says P2W, I expect a Win involved.. as in kicking the shit out of another player because I bought something that would kick the shit out of them unless they bought the same or better..

    This crybaby bullshit cady ass stuff you all call P2W.. LOL.. watered down trash term, might as well call a Sub P2W at this point.

    Call when you can make a point, or realize how stupid people have gotten with the term P2W.


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  • PhaserlightPhaserlight Member EpicPosts: 2,889
    Ungood said:
    Iselin said:
    Ungood said:
    Iselin said:
    Ungood said:
    I found it hilarious that not one single person could logically and rationally refute the OP.

    Everyone crying about reports, and posting insulting images and what have you.. no one stepped up to plate to prove them wrong.

    Fun thread.. 
    Because most of us are not so stupid that we think P2W is a term that applies to play/not play and we know that it's something that only applies to those who already meet the minimum basic threshold of paying if that's what it takes to play, competing vs. others that also met that basic threshold... whatever it is.



     Oh spare me.. the modern candyass definition of P2W means spending money on anything you don't want to spend money on

    And I agree with the image.. which is why I gave up wasting my time with several other posters on this forums.
    No wonder you think the OP deserved a response. You're two of a kind.
    Well that was fast and fun.. right to the personal insults.

    No.. I'm old school, when someone says P2W, I expect a Win involved.. as in kicking the shit out of another player because I bought something that would kick the shit out of them unless they bought the same or better..

    This crybaby bullshit cady ass stuff you all call P2W.. LOL.. watered down trash term, might as well call a Sub P2W at this point.

    Call when you can make a point, or realize how stupid people have gotten with the term P2W.


    ...you are disparaging overuse of the term "pay to win", then in the same sentence making room for the (improper) way the OP applies it?

    You must not have read the thread.

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  • IselinIselin Member LegendaryPosts: 12,792
    Ungood said:
    Iselin said:
    Ungood said:
    Iselin said:
    Ungood said:
    I found it hilarious that not one single person could logically and rationally refute the OP.

    Everyone crying about reports, and posting insulting images and what have you.. no one stepped up to plate to prove them wrong.

    Fun thread.. 
    Because most of us are not so stupid that we think P2W is a term that applies to play/not play and we know that it's something that only applies to those who already meet the minimum basic threshold of paying if that's what it takes to play, competing vs. others that also met that basic threshold... whatever it is.



     Oh spare me.. the modern candyass definition of P2W means spending money on anything you don't want to spend money on

    And I agree with the image.. which is why I gave up wasting my time with several other posters on this forums.
    No wonder you think the OP deserved a response. You're two of a kind.
    Well that was fast and fun.. right to the personal insults.

    No.. I'm old school, when someone says P2W, I expect a Win involved.. as in kicking the shit out of another player because I bought something that would kick the shit out of them unless they bought the same or better..

    This crybaby bullshit cady ass stuff you all call P2W.. LOL.. watered down trash term, might as well call a Sub P2W at this point.

    Call when you can make a point, or realize how stupid people have gotten with the term P2W.


    So if you understand how stupid the usage of P2W has gotten why your apparently blanket dismissive comment about a lack of a logical or rational response to an even stupider usage of it than usual? 

    You're a weird dude.

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  • DarkestOverlordDarkestOverlord Member UncommonPosts: 545
    ALERT HE IS DEVS FROM GW2 !!!
    TRYING TO SELL GW 2 !!!




  • UngoodUngood Member EpicPosts: 2,757
    Ungood said:
    Iselin said:
    Ungood said:
    Iselin said:
    Ungood said:
    I found it hilarious that not one single person could logically and rationally refute the OP.

    Everyone crying about reports, and posting insulting images and what have you.. no one stepped up to plate to prove them wrong.

    Fun thread.. 
    Because most of us are not so stupid that we think P2W is a term that applies to play/not play and we know that it's something that only applies to those who already meet the minimum basic threshold of paying if that's what it takes to play, competing vs. others that also met that basic threshold... whatever it is.



     Oh spare me.. the modern candyass definition of P2W means spending money on anything you don't want to spend money on

    And I agree with the image.. which is why I gave up wasting my time with several other posters on this forums.
    No wonder you think the OP deserved a response. You're two of a kind.
    Well that was fast and fun.. right to the personal insults.

    No.. I'm old school, when someone says P2W, I expect a Win involved.. as in kicking the shit out of another player because I bought something that would kick the shit out of them unless they bought the same or better..

    This crybaby bullshit cady ass stuff you all call P2W.. LOL.. watered down trash term, might as well call a Sub P2W at this point.

    Call when you can make a point, or realize how stupid people have gotten with the term P2W.


    ...you are disparaging overuse of the term "pay to win", then in the same sentence making room for the (improper) way the OP applies it?

    You must not have read the thread.
    See that is what I find enjoyable at this thread really.. the way all these people can't seem to figure out what "Win" means anymore, so they water down the term, they use it for anything and everything that they simply do not want to spend money on.

    Which.. well thanks to all this candy ass usage of the term, devaluing, making it pointless, worthless, and overall meaning nothing more than "Needing to spend money on anything I don't want to spend money on" 

    It was really only a matter of time with their debasing the value of the term P2W that it would eventually become worthless in value, I have seen it applied to cosmetics, even used against expansions,  so, it was inevitable that at some point it would become applied to Subs.

    That is what makes this thread Hilarious Thread to me.. to be honest.

    It was their own doing by using the term P2W incorrectly at the start.. their own making that things comes to this.

    and they are shocked? 

    Funny how people can't see their own refection into the problem.. 
    Iselin
  • UngoodUngood Member EpicPosts: 2,757
    Iselin said:
    Ungood said:
    Iselin said:
    Ungood said:
    Iselin said:
    Ungood said:
    I found it hilarious that not one single person could logically and rationally refute the OP.

    Everyone crying about reports, and posting insulting images and what have you.. no one stepped up to plate to prove them wrong.

    Fun thread.. 
    Because most of us are not so stupid that we think P2W is a term that applies to play/not play and we know that it's something that only applies to those who already meet the minimum basic threshold of paying if that's what it takes to play, competing vs. others that also met that basic threshold... whatever it is.



     Oh spare me.. the modern candyass definition of P2W means spending money on anything you don't want to spend money on

    And I agree with the image.. which is why I gave up wasting my time with several other posters on this forums.
    No wonder you think the OP deserved a response. You're two of a kind.
    Well that was fast and fun.. right to the personal insults.

    No.. I'm old school, when someone says P2W, I expect a Win involved.. as in kicking the shit out of another player because I bought something that would kick the shit out of them unless they bought the same or better..

    This crybaby bullshit cady ass stuff you all call P2W.. LOL.. watered down trash term, might as well call a Sub P2W at this point.

    Call when you can make a point, or realize how stupid people have gotten with the term P2W.


    So if you understand how stupid the usage of P2W has gotten why your apparently blanket dismissive comment about a lack of a logical or rational response to an even stupider usage of it than usual? 

    You're a weird dude.

    Because I want you to realize the existence of this topic (and others like it) is YOUR fault, for continually misusing the term P2W.

    Behold your legacy.. are you not proud of it?
    IselinSteelhelm
  • IselinIselin Member LegendaryPosts: 12,792
    Ungood said:
    Iselin said:
    Ungood said:
    Iselin said:
    Ungood said:
    Iselin said:
    Ungood said:
    I found it hilarious that not one single person could logically and rationally refute the OP.

    Everyone crying about reports, and posting insulting images and what have you.. no one stepped up to plate to prove them wrong.

    Fun thread.. 
    Because most of us are not so stupid that we think P2W is a term that applies to play/not play and we know that it's something that only applies to those who already meet the minimum basic threshold of paying if that's what it takes to play, competing vs. others that also met that basic threshold... whatever it is.



     Oh spare me.. the modern candyass definition of P2W means spending money on anything you don't want to spend money on

    And I agree with the image.. which is why I gave up wasting my time with several other posters on this forums.
    No wonder you think the OP deserved a response. You're two of a kind.
    Well that was fast and fun.. right to the personal insults.

    No.. I'm old school, when someone says P2W, I expect a Win involved.. as in kicking the shit out of another player because I bought something that would kick the shit out of them unless they bought the same or better..

    This crybaby bullshit cady ass stuff you all call P2W.. LOL.. watered down trash term, might as well call a Sub P2W at this point.

    Call when you can make a point, or realize how stupid people have gotten with the term P2W.


    So if you understand how stupid the usage of P2W has gotten why your apparently blanket dismissive comment about a lack of a logical or rational response to an even stupider usage of it than usual? 

    You're a weird dude.

    Because I want you to realize the existence of this topic (and others like it) is YOUR fault, for continually misusing the term P2W.

    Behold your legacy.. are you not proud of it?
    Well you totally suck at communication if that was what you meant to convey with your first post in this topic.

    Your disdain for everyone else here is clear though... it's a wonder you stick around when you're not banned.
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