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Streamers Don't Seem To Be Welcome On WoW Classic's PvP Servers - MMORPG.com News

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  • IselinIselin Member LegendaryPosts: 13,090
    Sovrath said:
    Torval said:
    Sovrath said:
    Iselin said:
    And here I thought retro games would have a retro community but no, it's the same stupids that are in every 2019 online game.

    More proof that them good ole days just ain't never coming back.
    hmmm depends.

    I think the thing here is that it's the pvp crowd that's inhabiting the game and they want fresh pvp experiences.

    Very competitive and perhaps aggressive. 
    That totally supports his point from my perspective.
    I think a soley pve server might have better luck. I realize there are asshats in pve as well but it seems that there is an agressive pvp contingent who might be more interested in "open world pvp" than "oh look, it's classic World of Warcraft."

    So, if Pantheon had open world pvp I am thinking the same issues would ensue but a complete pve experience, especially for a slower type game, might be a bit better.
    We shall see.

    I'm currently leaning toward playing Classic and if I do it'll be on the one and only NA RP-PvE server, Bloodsail Buccaneers.

    Once upon a time going for the RP server even though I'm not much of an RPer, pretty well guaranteed a better community. Curious to see if this still holds true. 
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  • SovrathSovrath Member LegendaryPosts: 27,336
    Torval said:
    Sovrath said:
    Torval said:
    Sovrath said:
    Iselin said:
    And here I thought retro games would have a retro community but no, it's the same stupids that are in every 2019 online game.

    More proof that them good ole days just ain't never coming back.
    hmmm depends.

    I think the thing here is that it's the pvp crowd that's inhabiting the game and they want fresh pvp experiences.

    Very competitive and perhaps aggressive. 
    That totally supports his point from my perspective.
    I think a soley pve server might have better luck. I realize there are asshats in pve as well but it seems that there is an agressive pvp contingent who might be more interested in "open world pvp" than "oh look, it's classic World of Warcraft."

    So, if Pantheon had open world pvp I am thinking the same issues would ensue but a complete pve experience, especially for a slower type game, might be a bit better.
    I agree with what you're saying. I also think this modern pvp community is a lot different from 12 - 15 years ago which is what I hear Iselin saying.

    One thing that seems odd to me is that this sort of gating reminds me a lot more of PvE EQ2 servers "back then". Raid guilds controlled who could farm what. It didn't matter that the content was instanced because only a set number of guilds could reliably farm them and they gated who got access and in what order. That mindset heavily contributed to the demise of servers and MMOs in general. It also makes me wonder what these people will do when they find out they can't control a server.
    Yeah, I agree with Iselin in that today's pvp community is different. 
    Torval



  • yphanh2002yphanh2002 Member UncommonPosts: 28
    I don't have problem with streamers but I have problem with what they bring and their influence power.

    One of thing happen to me is that: Back then I played Bless ( yes I know the game is bad but let's ignore that fact for a sack of example) . Some certain streamers decide toe stream/test out the game. Due to how the game faction work, one of the faction got locked out completely because the streamer join that faction. ( Too many players made characters on that faction)

    One week later, the streamer quit the game . Anyone happen to play/have character of the streamer faction still play the game, you are shit out of luck because now that faction is death as fuck. It's really hard for you to find any players in your faction anymore to do anything (special pvp related).

    That entire server basically ruin because if you are on the same streamer faction, you can't queue for anything ( there isn't many players in your faction anymore). If you are opposite faction of the streamer you can't queue for "battle ground" as well because don't have enough players of the opposite faction.
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  • lahnmirlahnmir Member EpicPosts: 2,894
    Those filthy, filthy streamers. And the worst part, they could be anybody, your neighbour, a friend, a family member, you just don’t know what is going on behind closed doors. There actually is a chance you might know one in real life without even realising.....

    And since we can’t brand them to distinguish them from honest citizens we just have to be very, very careful. Therefor I strongly recommend reporting to the local authority as soon as you think something suspicious is going on, better save then sorry right? #Streamtoo

    /Cheers,
    Lahnmir
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    But there are many. You can play them entirely solo, and even offline. Also, you are wrong by default.

    Ikcin in response to yours sincerely debating whether or not single-player offline MMOs exist...
  • Gyva02Gyva02 Member RarePosts: 482
    edited August 16
  • Jaguaratron1Jaguaratron1 Member UncommonPosts: 15

    Sandmanjw said:

    Sounds like BS to me.



    Doubt something like this would be allowed by WOW.



    Its not anything sanctioned, its just a bunch of no lifers trying to force people to do what they want. If you care what a streamer is or isnt doing then thats your issue.
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  • WarEnsembleWarEnsemble Member UncommonPosts: 229
    The only thing dumber than streaming a game is sitting around watching some tool stream a game.
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  • WarEnsembleWarEnsemble Member UncommonPosts: 229

    Torval said:

    Uh-oh killer man-baby clowns are gonna mess up the streamers. Ooooh. They sound like Fonze threatening Ralph and Potsie. This picture comes to mind.


    I wait can't wait to see the results on youtube.

    edit: Oh and hating people because they like to stream their game play is just freaking childish. I don't like how "content creator" culture has influenced gaming but let's keep it in perspective. Hating people and bullying them is wrong. Gaming is about having fun and MMOs are about having fun with a lot of other people. Bully gangs don't belong.



    Please. It's called natural selection. If you don't like something, you fight or flight. The real problem is the world is full of sissies these days.
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  • WarEnsembleWarEnsemble Member UncommonPosts: 229
    edited August 16
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  • BloodaxesBloodaxes Member RarePosts: 4,151
    edited August 16
    Yea, let's insult other people for liking things differently than me!

    Please, don't act like an old grumpy manbaby as if the newer generation is ruining your game. By your logic, anyone who watches a show with any sort of activity instead of doing the same thing themselves are "sissies" to quote your words. 

    Some games are more fun with friends, and yes some people aren't as fortunate to have friends that play games they enjoy or heck they might not have any friends. Pretty inconsiderate to judge people when you don't know their background. 
    TorvalAriesTiger

  • SovrathSovrath Member LegendaryPosts: 27,336

    Torval said:

    Uh-oh killer man-baby clowns are gonna mess up the streamers. Ooooh. They sound like Fonze threatening Ralph and Potsie. This picture comes to mind.


    I wait can't wait to see the results on youtube.

    edit: Oh and hating people because they like to stream their game play is just freaking childish. I don't like how "content creator" culture has influenced gaming but let's keep it in perspective. Hating people and bullying them is wrong. Gaming is about having fun and MMOs are about having fun with a lot of other people. Bully gangs don't belong.



    Please. It's called natural selection. If you don't like something, you fight or flight. The real problem is the world is full of sissies these days.
    Huh, I thought it was just that the people who have had enough of "others" who feel they can inflict themselves on people have finally said "no more."


    TorvalRhoklaw



  • WarEnsembleWarEnsemble Member UncommonPosts: 229
    9 out of 10 streamers do nothing but yell and thrash about like a howler monkey. The 1 who doesn't always babbles on and on about nothing important. 

    Polonius said it best, "Brevity is the soul of whit."
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  • SovrathSovrath Member LegendaryPosts: 27,336
    9 out of 10 streamers do nothing but yell and thrash about like a howler monkey. The 1 who doesn't always babbles on and on about nothing important. 

    Polonius said it best, "Brevity is the soul of whit."
    Well, that I can agree with, at least with the timbre of the post.

    There are some great streamers out there/youtube reviewers but they don't come across like loud obnoxious kids. 
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  • HashbrickHashbrick Member RarePosts: 1,851
    9 out of 10 streamers do nothing but yell and thrash about like a howler monkey. The 1 who doesn't always babbles on and on about nothing important. 

    Polonius said it best, "Brevity is the soul of whit."
    Pretty ridiculous percentage if you ask me.  You are saying 90% of streamers do nothing but scream and yell.  Don't let hate overcome logic.  If you want to fight a battle you better come in with numbers that make sense.  You yourself said it's idiotic to watch a streamer so you are so distanced from the scene it doesn't matter what you say.  It's imminently prejudice. It's fine if it's not your thing but saying statements like that show your true colors, if you don't like something you want others to know you don't like something. It's really amazing how much people focus on the negative. Positive energy is what makes humanity thrive.  Appreciation, dignity, these are things of the past.  It's now what can I make X look bad so I look better.  Look yourself in the mirror and feel disgust.
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  • alkarionlogalkarionlog Member RarePosts: 2,868
    meh troll post there is no way a program could do that without blizzard access to in game server side files, and not everyone would use such prgram too
    There have always been blacklist addons/mods for the game. The idea is those that want to prohibit the other gamers get the addon/mod and it provides a master blacklist of server/name and filters them out of your chat and group functions.

    The more people that use said addon the more power it has.

    And generally the mod/addon is done 100% through the game and no additional website to verify check or anything against. Each new update provides additional names to the list.

    EDIT: This falls under the "community white hat" approach where gamers try to police when the mods/admins can't or aren't willing to.
    hmm so the idea is only the select group who use such add on, would be listed, and marking anyone on said list as a global mark on his head?

    if is this way I wonder how new people retention on such game would be? I remember the last years on shadowbane was like that, no open guild to freebies and randoms to join and play, only heavy guild who wanted you to play what they want you to play, game closed after that
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  • HatefullHatefull Member EpicPosts: 2,219
    Holst86 said:
    "I hate streamers" is a very cringe thing to say... No one is forcing anyone to watch a person stream. And their supposed negative impact on games are mildly put exaggerated.

    If it's true I hope that the people that done the addond and people using it will get permanently banned. As bullying should never be allowed anywhere.

    People seriously need to drop the redneck "we don't like your kind round here" mentality.
    First of all, it is that bad. Second, I hope everyone uses the app to get these annoying streamer asses out of here. Besides sucking up to companies, they do nothing worthwhile.

    It's not bullying to not like something, get the fuck over it. I don't like onions, am I bullying them? 

    The redneck, which is hate speech by the way, except rednecks don't give a shit or get offended by being called that, aren't wrong in this case. Your bullshit "we have to accept everyone" needs to go away.

    You do not get a ribbon for showing up
    People are not always going to like you, get over it
    Labeling opinions under racist terms does nothing to further your points
    Some times, you just have to punch someone in the face, get used to it, its called life.
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  • wandericawanderica Member UncommonPosts: 365
    I'll admit streamers can be annoying. The more attention they get, the more they get paid, which is why you have grown men and women acting like children live on the internet with no shame. I personally will try to avoid that scene, and will likely roll on a PvE realm anyway.

    However, allow me to play devil's advocate for a minute . . . Streamers bring attention, not only to themselves, but also to what they are doing at the time. Those huge server-wide PvP battles, kiting a dragon to Stormwind to see Bolvar lay it down like he did back in the day, or even regular organized pick-up raids can be started by, and properly organized by, a streamer. I expect that after they first month hype goes away, then things will be FAR less disruptive due to streamers. This addon seems a knee jerk reaction to an issue that will eventually police itself.


  • HashbrickHashbrick Member RarePosts: 1,851
    edited August 16
    Hatefull said:
    Holst86 said:
    "I hate streamers" is a very cringe thing to say... No one is forcing anyone to watch a person stream. And their supposed negative impact on games are mildly put exaggerated.

    If it's true I hope that the people that done the addond and people using it will get permanently banned. As bullying should never be allowed anywhere.

    People seriously need to drop the redneck "we don't like your kind round here" mentality.
    First of all, it is that bad. Second, I hope everyone uses the app to get these annoying streamer asses out of here. Besides sucking up to companies, they do nothing worthwhile.

    It's not bullying to not like something, get the fuck over it. I don't like onions, am I bullying them? 

    The redneck, which is hate speech by the way, except rednecks don't give a shit or get offended by being called that, aren't wrong in this case. Your bullshit "we have to accept everyone" needs to go away.

    You do not get a ribbon for showing up
    People are not always going to like you, get over it
    Labeling opinions under racist terms does nothing to further your points
    Some times, you just have to punch someone in the face, get used to it, its called life.
    Damn dude, you are clearly angry at the world.

    What you are doing is being prejudice, you aren't bullying (That's 1 person), you aren't disliking (That's when you personally avoid something with little or no impact to others).  There's a difference and a balance and you tipped the scale.  You can say something like "I don't like Ninja, because of X". That's a logical statement. What you are saying is ALL streamers aren't worthwhile, which isn't truth or fact.

    You can't bully an inanimate object but it was a cute argument.

    Life isn't fair, you got that right, but you aren't making it any better. So what worthwhile part do you play?  Since streamers are such a waste of life what do you do that makes you any better?  Answer. Nothing. We are all human beings, everyone deserves respect.  Not liking someone doesn't give you the right to disrespect, it gives you the right to avoid it.

    If you feel it's your god given right to punch people in the face, you got some bigger issues none of us here can tackle.
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  • wesjrwesjr Member UncommonPosts: 504

    DrunkWolf said:

    I never understood watching streamers. I grew up wanting to play the game not watch somebody else play.



    The same reason people watch sports instead of playing them I guess.
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  • SovrathSovrath Member LegendaryPosts: 27,336
    edited August 16
    Hashbrick said:



    Life isn't fair, you got that right, but you aren't making it any better. 
    While I generally agree with you, in his defense, his name is "Hateful" not "Hugful."  B)
    TorvalHatefullHashbrick



  • TheHiveLeaderTheHiveLeader Video MaestroMember RarePosts: 234
    **shrug**
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  • BloodaxesBloodaxes Member RarePosts: 4,151
    **shrug**
    How dare you stream games as entertainment! 
    TheHiveLeaderTorvalTacticalZombeh

  • SovrathSovrath Member LegendaryPosts: 27,336
    **shrug**
    Yeah, that's right, they're talking about you!  >:)
    TheHiveLeaderTorvalTacticalZombeh



  • BruceYeeBruceYee Member RarePosts: 1,665
    edited August 16
    Vanilla WoW had organic blacklists for ninja looters and at that time people who were viewed as toxic players. It happened organically and the information crossed faction lines.

    One thing no one is mentioning is that streamers are IMMERSION BREAKING and vanilla was all about immersion. Being able to sit there for hours believing you are a dwarf or ______ in Azeroth was what it was all about at least for me.

    People also shouldn't forget that streamers did not exist during vanilla so for the true originalists there is a possibility that it could possibly turn them away from the game permanently. Make no mistake that WoW classic is a trip down memory lane for a large percentage of the people who will be playing it but what % that is no one knows.

    Have you watched any streamers play WoW classic? Many but not all are completely clueless about the game, they don't inform or educate just engage in disruptive dingbat behavior to get views so they can make more money and that is NOT the vanilla WoW experience at all. Vanilla was all about community, you couldn't really do anything unless you made friends, joined a guild etc. It was the most community centered game I've played even more than SWG cause in SWG you could accomplish quite a lot on your own. Streamers being the "traveling entertainers" like the fine fellow who posted after me have a chance at disrupting the fragile ecosystem in MMO'S that can be destroyed very easily sometimes in a single patch or even a single item being changed(see MH hela nerf). I understand why this PvP community is trying to prevent streamers from possibly ruining everything with this add on strategy. I don't agree or disagree with the politics of it because streamers are that unknown variable in WoW classic that should not not be taken seriously. I can imagine the possibility of seeing youtube vids a couple years from now called "How streamers killed WoW classic". Trying to prevent that BAMN is worth it IMO.

    Blizz has a tight rope to walk with this cause if they lean too far to one side they run the risk of losing the die-hard classic fans which will be their solid $15 a month income for years not the streamer "Nebula" fanboy who pays for one month just to please their idol/streamer/Thanos. If Blizz designates certain servers only for streamers and give them tons of free stuff I think it'll be a good move to prevent possible disaster on other servers just in case urinating in the rainforest(biodome) runs the risk of destroying everything.
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  • TheHiveLeaderTheHiveLeader Video MaestroMember RarePosts: 234
    Sovrath said:
    **shrug**
    Yeah, that's right, they're talking about you!  >:)
    Finally someone is... I stopped being relevant years ago :-)
    TacticalZombeh
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