*crickets* on the actual development notes that show exactly how alpha this game is really in. Have fun in the beta that is going to last another 2 years....that's being optimistic.
Maybe we just don't care. I mean, not everyone is so fretful about this stuff.
I gave my money but I also go into these things with the idea that "here's the money and we'll see what happens."
If 10 years later they say "hey, we finished" then I'll say "hey, great, I'll play it and see if I like it."
Anything else is just ridiculous given that many games don't even launch.
But I don't follow these things with the idea of "hey, I've given money and you better deliver and deliver in a time frame I think of as reasonable or else I'll be unhappy!"
To much energy for that.
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*crickets* on the actual development notes that show exactly how alpha this game is really in. Have fun in the beta that is going to last another 2 years....that's being optimistic.
I am not arguing that CS is diverging from the standard in game development. Having played this game, it is in NO WAY in a beta phase as they are still developing systems. Among (many) other things.
Also, most people don't give a shit about anything you have to say. Ergo, crickets.
*crickets* on the actual development notes that show exactly how alpha this game is really in. Have fun in the beta that is going to last another 2 years....that's being optimistic.
I am not arguing that CS is diverging from the standard in game development. Having played this game, it is in NO WAY in a beta phase as they are still developing systems. Among (many) other things.
Also, most people don't give a shit about anything you have to say. Ergo, crickets.
Yet here you are posting in MY thread. Rofl
Yet not really addressing you. I felt bad, you're like that kid that states the obvious, then wonder why no one pays them any attention.
*crickets* on the actual development notes that show exactly how alpha this game is really in. Have fun in the beta that is going to last another 2 years....that's being optimistic.
Maybe we just don't care. I mean, not everyone is so fretful about this stuff.
I gave my money but I also go into these things with the idea that "here's the money and we'll see what happens."
If 10 years later they say "hey, we finished" then I'll say "hey, great, I'll play it and see if I like it."
Anything else is just ridiculous given that many games don't even launch.
But I don't follow these things with the idea of "hey, I've given money and you better deliver and deliver in a time frame I think of as reasonable or else I'll be unhappy!"
To much energy for that.
Too many people strawman here....it is tiresome. Please show me one post complainin about the time it is taking. My ONLY complaint has been misrepresentation as to what phase of development the game is in. My post was to those trying to argue the game is past alpha. If you were not one of them it did not concern you.
Viper482 said: My ONLY complaint has been misrepresentation as to what phase of development the game is in. My post was to those trying to argue the game is past alpha.
....yeah, you know squat about software development but sure go ahead and tell those who do it for living that they do it wrong.
Viper482 said: My ONLY complaint has been misrepresentation as to what phase of development the game is in. My post was to those trying to argue the game is past alpha.
....yeah, you know squat about software development but sure go ahead and tell those who do it for living that they do it wrong.
/thread
Over budget by millions. Over schedule by years. ANY company/industry/person that is in that situation is "doing it wrong" This is basic common sense
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Viper482 said: My ONLY complaint has been misrepresentation as to what phase of development the game is in. My post was to those trying to argue the game is past alpha.
....yeah, you know squat about software development but sure go ahead and tell those who do it for living that they do it wrong.
/thread
Over budget by millions. Over schedule by years. ANY company/industry/person that is in that situation is "doing it wrong" This is basic common sense
Common sense isn't all that common, at least not in gaming forums.
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"This is the most intelligent, well qualified and articulate response to a post I have ever seen on these forums. It's a shame most people here won't have the attention span to read past the second line." - Anon
There are a whole lot of words going on about a game that way too many of the busy bodies will play for a little while, and then cry that it not what they thought it should be and not as good as they remember the predecessor to be..
Just saying...
Egotism is the anesthetic that dullens the pain of stupidity, this is why when I try to beat my head against the stupidity of other people, I only hurt myself.
I can top that, while I am an alpha backer, I'm not really interested in playing the game anymore, seems I've outgrown or grown weary of waiting for it to release.
But slagging on it....still entertaining and I'm sure will be for many years to come.
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ANY company/industry/person that is in that situation is "doing it wrong" This is basic common sense
...yeah, because you do have a factual experience how it works in the industry...oh, wait...
Your common sense is very uncommon, unsuprisingly.
Ummm... MJ has publically apologized and talked about the embarrassment of being years and years behind schedule. He has mentioned and listed many mistakes and learnings. This is one of the reasons that I will never ask for a refund even though he allows them. So yeah, I think when even the developer admits that he did things wrong its pretty obvious that they did in fact... do things wrong.
Common sense.
Or perhaps you can educate the rest of us and explain how being years behind schedule, millions over budget, and having a CEO explain that mistakes and wrong assumptions were made... is actually doing it right? And then maybe you can explain that to MJ as well?
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*crickets* on the actual development notes that show exactly how alpha this game is really in. Have fun in the beta that is going to last another 2 years....that's being optimistic.
Maybe we just don't care. I mean, not everyone is so fretful about this stuff.
I gave my money but I also go into these things with the idea that "here's the money and we'll see what happens."
If 10 years later they say "hey, we finished" then I'll say "hey, great, I'll play it and see if I like it."
Anything else is just ridiculous given that many games don't even launch.
But I don't follow these things with the idea of "hey, I've given money and you better deliver and deliver in a time frame I think of as reasonable or else I'll be unhappy!"
To much energy for that.
Too many people strawman here....it is tiresome. Please show me one post complainin about the time it is taking. My ONLY complaint has been misrepresentation as to what phase of development the game is in. My post was to those trying to argue the game is past alpha. If you were not one of them it did not concern you.
Not a strawman. You are the one fishing for "something" with your crickets response.
It's as if you expected a thread of outrage that you could participate in. Nice job.
Also, I didn't say anything about "other people" in this thread complaining or complaining about time taken.
Just an general example of people who look at what is offered and have issues of where the game is which is what your very sparse original post with no actual information, just a video, led me to believe.
It seemed that it was you who was complaining on what was being shown with no clear idea as to your point. I took it that it was "you" having issue with where the game was at this time. Again, you provided no information, just a video.
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There is a test for everybody who has Beta 2 or better access this weekend. If you want a clear answer on whether the current test stage is more like Alpha or more like Beta 1, go reread the Beta 1 doc on the official site then compare what is described in that doc to what you see during the test.
You already know the answer, still in beta, will be improved before release, blah de blah...
Still...City State has a limited budget to build the game and has spent a good portion of it on developing and optimizing their own game engine which is all about the back end, so graphics will always be sub par to some people's expectations.
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They do a lot of flapping their gums about how wonderfully everything is advancing, but they're sure keeping that NDA clamped down tight as a clam's ass.
*crickets* on the actual development notes that show exactly how alpha this game is really in. Have fun in the beta that is going to last another 2 years....that's being optimistic.
Maybe we just don't care. I mean, not everyone is so fretful about this stuff.
I gave my money but I also go into these things with the idea that "here's the money and we'll see what happens."
If 10 years later they say "hey, we finished" then I'll say "hey, great, I'll play it and see if I like it."
Anything else is just ridiculous given that many games don't even launch.
But I don't follow these things with the idea of "hey, I've given money and you better deliver and deliver in a time frame I think of as reasonable or else I'll be unhappy!"
To much energy for that.
Too many people strawman here....it is tiresome. Please show me one post complainin about the time it is taking. My ONLY complaint has been misrepresentation as to what phase of development the game is in. My post was to those trying to argue the game is past alpha. If you were not one of them it did not concern you.
Not a strawman. You are the one fishing for "something" with your crickets response.
It's as if you expected a thread of outrage that you could participate in. Nice job.
Also, I didn't say anything about "other people" in this thread complaining or complaining about time taken.
Just an general example of people who look at what is offered and have issues of where the game is which is what your very sparse original post with no actual information, just a video, led me to believe.
It seemed that it was you who was complaining on what was being shown with no clear idea as to your point. I took it that it was "you" having issue with where the game was at this time. Again, you provided no information, just a video.
Fact....you tried to change the premise of my argument in that I was angry it was taking too long when I never even implied that....that is called strawman. I offered plenty of information other than the video in this thread. The game is in pre-alpha or alpha 1 at best, this whole talk of beta is bullshit and is dishonest. That is all my point is. And I really don't give a shit if you or anyone else joins my outrage, my thoughts....my thread.
Agree or don't, either way is fine with me. But don't make up shit regarding what I am complaining about.
With that....here are some more awesome "beta" notes from today!
WIP -
Tech - NavMesh: This week, Lee spent time
debugging the 3D-ification of the navmesh. Unfortunately, there are
still a few problems with how it's being updated internally when new
obstacles are added to the navmesh, so there's a bit of fix-up work to
still be done there. The path-planning itself will need to be updated to
use the new 3D info appropriately. Lots to do, but we are seeing the light
at the end of the tunnel!
WIP - Tech - Tools: Rob
finished his first pass on the transformer gizmo for the editor, and it is
now available for use by our devs. The 3D math has been defeated, the
colors have been adjusted, and the code has been pushed. This gizmo will
greatly speed up placing and editing assets in a zone.
WIP - Tech - Servers: As
we are wrapping up our cost-saving Linuxification of the servers, Colin
converted the game server to .Net Core (the last of the managed servers he’s
been converting) this week. The next step is to figure out how to deploy
and run the servers on Linux.
Tech - Trigger Volumes: Caleb
has landed trigger volumes! They include a fair bit of interesting support
bits: Changes to Entity Destruction, Event forwarding, and stronger
guarantees about the ordering of entity/physics life cycle events. This
will unlock the ability for us to have traps and more interesting
scripting in the world, and paves the way toward auras, which we want to
use for the Support archetype.
WIP - Tech - Traps: Christina
worked on traps this week. Using the trigger volume tech that Caleb landed
she was able to prototype out a few trap types. These are using temp art,
but are functional.
WIP - Tech - Prediction: Matt
started investigating and fixing thread safety issues on the server that
deal with ability prediction and execution. This issue has been causing
abilities to randomly fail for a few months now.
Tech - NPC/Creature Variation: Mike
and Matt landed a first pass to add more variation to non-player
characters. This includes variable body and gear tinting, as well as
variable size and equipped gear. This will obviously give us much more
visual variation in things such as NPCs or creatures without requiring
additional work from Art.
Art - Weapons: We
created a new Arthurian axe based off an older concept. This one was what
we call “epic-looking” as it just looks a bit more awesome than what you
might consider a basic axe.
Art - Armor: We
completed a texture pass on a couple of new helmets as well as some
Arthurian heavy armor. This helps audit the assets for later crafting and
tinting tech.
Art - Procedural Materials: In
our continued use of Substance Designer, we’ve become more adept at
creating one-off items, such as locks, chains, rope, handles, etc. Again,
once created, the ability to make tweaks after the fact greatly improves
our iteration time.
Art - VFX - Weapon Trail Investigation: We
tested some faster melee abilities, which required Mike to go in and audit
existing weapon trails that were breaking. This additionally showed us a
limitation in the current tech that may need some additional work. Mike is
also working to add more sprites for various incoming abilities.
WIP - Art - Animation: Sandra
has been working on an NPC animation set for our previously shown mage
draugar. As they don’t have legs, per concept, it makes the animation work
a bit easier and also helps them stand out.
Comments
I gave my money but I also go into these things with the idea that "here's the money and we'll see what happens."
If 10 years later they say "hey, we finished" then I'll say "hey, great, I'll play it and see if I like it."
Anything else is just ridiculous given that many games don't even launch.
But I don't follow these things with the idea of "hey, I've given money and you better deliver and deliver in a time frame I think of as reasonable or else I'll be unhappy!"
To much energy for that.
Godfred's Tomb Trailer: https://youtu.be/-nsXGddj_4w
Original Skyrim: https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/109547
Serph toze kindly has started a walk-through. https://youtu.be/UIelCK-lldo
omg...are you seriously this ignorant?
If you want a new idea, go read an old book.
In order to be insulted, I must first value your opinion.
/thread
ANY company/industry/person that is in that situation is "doing it wrong"
This is basic common sense
All time classic MY NEW FAVORITE POST! (Keep laying those bricks)
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"True friends stab you in the front." | Oscar Wilde
"I need to finish" - Christian Wolff: The Accountant
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Just saying...
But slagging on it....still entertaining and I'm sure will be for many years to come.
Busy, busy, busy....down the rabbit hole we go.
"True friends stab you in the front." | Oscar Wilde
"I need to finish" - Christian Wolff: The Accountant
Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
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Don't just play games, inhabit virtual worlds™
"This is the most intelligent, well qualified and articulate response to a post I have ever seen on these forums. It's a shame most people here won't have the attention span to read past the second line." - Anon
Your common sense is very uncommon, unsuprisingly.
Common sense.
Or perhaps you can educate the rest of us and explain how being years behind schedule, millions over budget, and having a CEO explain that mistakes and wrong assumptions were made... is actually doing it right? And then maybe you can explain that to MJ as well?
All time classic MY NEW FAVORITE POST! (Keep laying those bricks)
"I should point out that no other company has shipped out a beta on a disc before this." - Official Mortal Online Lead Community Moderator
Proudly wearing the Harbinger badge since Dec 23, 2017.
Coined the phrase "Role-Playing a Development Team" January 2018
"Oddly Slap is the main reason I stay in these forums." - Mystichaze April 9th 2018
Godfred's Tomb Trailer: https://youtu.be/-nsXGddj_4w
Original Skyrim: https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/109547
Serph toze kindly has started a walk-through. https://youtu.be/UIelCK-lldo
DAOC Live (inactive): R11 Cleric R11 Druid R11 Minstrel R9 Eldritch R6 Sorc R6 Scout R6 Healer
Still...City State has a limited budget to build the game and has spent a good portion of it on developing and optimizing their own game engine which is all about the back end, so graphics will always be sub par to some people's expectations.
"True friends stab you in the front." | Oscar Wilde
"I need to finish" - Christian Wolff: The Accountant
Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
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"This is the most intelligent, well qualified and articulate response to a post I have ever seen on these forums. It's a shame most people here won't have the attention span to read past the second line." - Anon
Fact....you tried to change the premise of my argument in that I was angry it was taking too long when I never even implied that....that is called strawman. I offered plenty of information other than the video in this thread. The game is in pre-alpha or alpha 1 at best, this whole talk of beta is bullshit and is dishonest. That is all my point is. And I really don't give a shit if you or anyone else joins my outrage, my thoughts....my thread.
Agree or don't, either way is fine with me. But don't make up shit regarding what I am complaining about.
With that....here are some more awesome "beta" notes from today!