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delete5230delete5230 Member EpicPosts: 5,678

I guess many are blinded by the beautiful textures, soft colors and shadows to see the animation of character's and noncharacters moving around the screen like chess pieces where the legs don’t move but slides around the base floor of whatever environment. 

I guess you don't see the disappearing arms and legs whenever theirs a camera swing…. Where did the weapon go ?…. Oh, there it is, it reappeared ! 

I guess you ignore when other team members disappear altogether then re-appear.  

Characters, NPC's and mobs are PhotoShopped into the environment.... and it shows!.... It's as apparent as the sky is blue.

 

Two years ago, I used footage from a podcast and pointed out several flaws of many with the extreme animation glitches and it was ignored.  Brushed off and forgotten…..not a single reply !...... Well, here we are 2019 and no better !..... Not a single improvement to animation. 

  

Worst of all !!!!

This graphical choice is directly related to the major problems associated with EverQuest 2 back in 2004. 

-Remember as your group is being slaughtered, your stuck between a chair and a table ?

-Remember spinning your camera angle and your looking into an entirely different room ?

-Remember the stone statue effect where the boss would take a beating and do nothing.   You swing, it swings, you swing it swings, until something is dead ? 

-Remember where the game wouldn't play on ANY COMPUTER ?

ALL THIS TELLS ME THE CODING IS 2004....Is this 2019 or 2004 ?  


Come on @Amathe.....do you not see this ?.....With zero improvement as of yet, do you expect it to get better ?

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  • ScorchienScorchien Member LegendaryPosts: 6,782
    edited July 20
    Image result for wheels on the bus images

      Give it a Rest Brudha

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  • delete5230delete5230 Member EpicPosts: 5,678
    I want this game.  I think I'm in the top five here.  Unfortunately I'm in love with the Vision and wanting a modern first generation game...... Something I missed out on so many years ago, I have a second chance at. 

    Seems this may be a wait and see game.  However IF ITS PLAYABLE, I'll be their if it's at all tolerable...... That's how bad I want this game ! 
  • ScorchienScorchien Member LegendaryPosts: 6,782
    I want this game.  I think I'm in the top five here.  Unfortunately I'm in love with the Vision and wanting a modern first generation game...... Something I missed out on so many years ago, I have a second chance at. 

    Seems this may be a wait and see game.  However IF ITS PLAYABLE, I'll be their if it's at all tolerable...... That's how bad I want this game ! 
    If you want so badly , pony up a proper support $ get in the testing and give VR your opinions and feedback , would serve your purpose better
  • TEKK3NTEKK3N Member RarePosts: 649

      Worst of all !!!!

    This graphical choice is directly related to the major problems associated with EverQuest 2 back in 2004. 

    -Remember as your group is being slaughtered, your stuck between a chair and a table ?

    -Remember spinning your camera angle and your looking into an entirely different room ?

    -Remember the stone statue effect where the boss would take a beating and do nothing.   You swing, it swings, you swing it swings, until something is dead ? 

    -Remember where the game wouldn't play on ANY COMPUTER ?

    ALL THIS TELLS ME THE CODING IS 2004....Is this 2019 or 2004 ? 

    I remember that. And?
    Why do you assume Pantheon is going to be the same?
    Based on what evidence?

    Scorchien said:

    If you want so badly , pony up a proper support $ get in the testing and give VR your opinions and feedback , would serve your purpose better
    This indeed.
    Like someone said once: "A little less conversation, a little more action"
  • delete5230delete5230 Member EpicPosts: 5,678
    edited July 20
    Scorchien said:
    I want this game.  I think I'm in the top five here.  Unfortunately I'm in love with the Vision and wanting a modern first generation game...... Something I missed out on so many years ago, I have a second chance at. 

    Seems this may be a wait and see game.  However IF ITS PLAYABLE, I'll be their if it's at all tolerable...... That's how bad I want this game ! 
    If you want so badly , pony up a proper support $ get in the testing and give VR your opinions and feedback , would serve your purpose better
    They have their style of development in place, None of us will change that !
    That is questionable in my eyes.... only choice is a wait-and-see.

    I had my finger on the button several times, Instead I chose to back SoL.... Much lest risky with their coding !
    I know this first hand :)
  • TEKK3NTEKK3N Member RarePosts: 649
    Scorchien said:

      only choice is a wait-and-see.


    ...and talk...a lot.
    Scorchien
  • delete5230delete5230 Member EpicPosts: 5,678
    TEKK3N said:
    Scorchien said:

      only choice is a wait-and-see.


    ...and talk...a lot.
    A lot of people ask me for facts..... Well read the post and LOOK at past videos for what I post. This is facts if you LOOK for the points I'm making. If you still want facts beyond LOOKING and seeing without touching... Then I can't help. 

    It's like saying the sun that we can all see is not real.

    A lot of talk my ass, this game is a coding mess.
  • VrikaVrika Member EpicPosts: 5,685
    Didn't you just make a thread about how they're spending too much time and money on graphics?

    The animation are ok. They don't have money to make them better.
    Kyleran
     
  • Mylan12Mylan12 Member UncommonPosts: 202

    I guess many are blinded by the beautiful textures, soft colors and shadows to see the animation of character's and noncharacters moving around the screen like chess pieces where the legs don’t move but slides around the base floor of whatever environment. 

    I guess you don't see the disappearing arms and legs whenever theirs a camera swing…. Where did the weapon go ?…. Oh, there it is, it reappeared ! 

    I guess you ignore when other team members disappear altogether then re-appear.  

    Characters, NPC's and mobs are PhotoShopped into the environment.... and it shows!.... It's as apparent as the sky is blue.

     

    Two years ago, I used footage from a podcast and pointed out several flaws of many with the extreme animation glitches and it was ignored.  Brushed off and forgotten…..not a single reply !...... Well, here we are 2019 and no better !..... Not a single improvement to animation. 

      

    Worst of all !!!!

    This graphical choice is directly related to the major problems associated with EverQuest 2 back in 2004. 

    -Remember as your group is being slaughtered, your stuck between a chair and a table ?

    -Remember spinning your camera angle and your looking into an entirely different room ?

    -Remember the stone statue effect where the boss would take a beating and do nothing.   You swing, it swings, you swing it swings, until something is dead ? 

    -Remember where the game wouldn't play on ANY COMPUTER ?

    ALL THIS TELLS ME THE CODING IS 2004....Is this 2019 or 2004 ?  


    Come on @Amathe.....do you not see this ?.....With zero improvement as of yet, do you expect it to get better ?

    How is this game related at all to EQ2.  How about some facts on that? 
    EQ2 used different software and had different people working on it. 
     If you must complain at least go find a game that either uses the same software as Pantheon or had(s) at least one developer in common as an example. 
    Anyway most of the problems you listed have nothing to do with animation.
  • bentrimbentrim Member UncommonPosts: 228
    This game will NEVER make it to release!
    Arterius
  • SovrathSovrath Member LegendaryPosts: 26,793

    I guess many are blinded by the beautiful textures, soft colors and shadows to see the animation of character's and noncharacters moving around the screen like chess pieces where the legs don’t move but slides around the base floor of whatever environment. 


    Indy project and animation costs. Why don't you offer your services for free to help them along. I'm sure they would very much appreciate it.

    As far as the animations themselves, it is what it is. I'm not going to a good game because they can only do so much. In the end, you have to either realize what you are getting into or not.

    Besides, I play Lord of the Rings Online and that game has some of the crappiest animations out there. If I can play that, I can play this.
    Arterius



  • WizardryWizardry Member LegendaryPosts: 16,220
    ALL of the games,EQ1/2 and Vanguard had the exact same glitch's bugs and looked to be coded using the exact same methods.
    That is three times in a row,however i feel this game will be different but only in a small way.I mean would we not agree that Vanguard came close to being even worse than EQ1/2 for bugs or at least very close to the same,so nothing was learned there nor improved,so why would we expect different?
    IDK why i would but expect a bit smoother game this time around,quite likely we see another Early access release,seems to be the norm for an excuse to release a buggy game.
    There is a simple rule to follow,if your game is EARLY,as in known bugs,not worthy of a released product,then guess what,don't charge us until it is finished and polished.

    Personally it goes beyond the bugs,i saw very little change in the design philosophies from all of the 3 games,sure there was a change from EQ1>2 but a very subtle one and again to VG.

    So i just get the feeling this is going to be a disappointing game,it might be an OK game,like some might consider it good enough but i am not expecting AAA at all.


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  • ArteriusArterius Member EpicPosts: 1,378
    Wizardry said:
    ALL of the games,EQ1/2 and Vanguard had the exact same glitch's bugs and looked to be coded using the exact same methods.
    That is three times in a row,however i feel this game will be different but only in a small way.I mean would we not agree that Vanguard came close to being even worse than EQ1/2 for bugs or at least very close to the same,so nothing was learned there nor improved,so why would we expect different?
    IDK why i would but expect a bit smoother game this time around,quite likely we see another Early access release,seems to be the norm for an excuse to release a buggy game.
    There is a simple rule to follow,if your game is EARLY,as in known bugs,not worthy of a released product,then guess what,don't charge us until it is finished and polished.

    Personally it goes beyond the bugs,i saw very little change in the design philosophies from all of the 3 games,sure there was a change from EQ1>2 but a very subtle one and again to VG.

    So i just get the feeling this is going to be a disappointing game,it might be an OK game,like some might consider it good enough but i am not expecting AAA at all.


    It's impossible to make a bug free game for a non open world game. Let alone a a massive MMO. I guess it depends on how buggy your talking but if anyone goes into any game expecting it to be bug free they have another thing coming.

    Sure games get patched now but their were still bugs in older games as well from the NES onward. 
  • TamanousTamanous Member RarePosts: 2,992
    There is only one real question here:

    Why, when every game in development adds improved animations over time, do people still complain about animations 2 or so years out from release?

    You stay sassy!

  • KyleranKyleran Member LegendaryPosts: 33,285
    edited July 22
    Tamanous said:
    There is only one real question here:

    Why, when every game in development adds improved animations over time, do people still complain about animations 2 or so years out from release?
    Probably because most of these indie MMOs are always two or so years (18 Months!) from release.

    The few which have released (SotA, Albion Online) really didn't get much better. 

    So there really is only one question here....when will these games finally release?

    The world may never know. 

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  • SirAgravaineSirAgravaine Member RarePosts: 513
    Wish the front page showed who posted the original thread. So I don't waste clicks.
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  • UtinniUtinni Member RarePosts: 826
    Most of the stuff in this game so far is from the unity store. They haven't spent much time at all on graphics/animations. They aren't even at the point where they would be doing that anyways. 
  • bcbullybcbully Member RarePosts: 9,702
    edited July 22
    To add gameplay looks boring!  :D :D 
  • delete5230delete5230 Member EpicPosts: 5,678
    bcbully said:
    To add gameplay looks boring!  :D :D 
    It's my #1 Game. However I have to AGREE.

    I'm all for dungeon crawling,
    Move and talk about it. Move again and talk about it. It's my dream style of play. 
    But its ALL THEY HAVE to show for five years of development.

    Lighting and textures!
    It's their only focus, so they can only crawl around with the little they have, 20 or so videos of it. 

    How about some fun !!!
    It's not how they are implementing their videos or presentation.... They don't have anything. Their hung up on details... Stuck !
  • RobertLBohannanRobertLBohannan Newbie CommonPosts: 4
    good information
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  • AmatheAmathe Member LegendaryPosts: 5,393


    Come on @Amathe.....do you not see this ?.....With zero improvement as of yet, do you expect it to get better ?

    The only area where I see zero improvement is any reduction in your spam.
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  • TheocritusTheocritus Member EpicPosts: 6,948
    bcbully said:
    To add gameplay looks boring!  :D :D 
    That is my biggest concern...If it looks boring to people thatgrew up in EQ1, how much more to a player that is used to 2019 gaming?....I'm just not sure there is much of a market for this kind of gameplay.
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  • Mylan12Mylan12 Member UncommonPosts: 202
    bcbully said:
    To add gameplay looks boring!  :D :D 
    That is my biggest concern...If it looks boring to people thatgrew up in EQ1, how much more to a player that is used to 2019 gaming?....I'm just not sure there is much of a market for this kind of gameplay.
     I get that it "looks" boring to apparently lots of people but does that actually translate into how the game is when you are actually playing it. 
     Heck football, basketball and especially tennis and golf look boring to me when watching it. I guess they get paid the big bucks so they can suffer through such boring stuff.
    Arterius
  • TEKK3NTEKK3N Member RarePosts: 649
    edited July 23
    TEKK3N said:
    Scorchien said:

      only choice is a wait-and-see.


    ...and talk...a lot.
    A lot of people ask me for facts..... Well read the post and LOOK at past videos for what I post. This is facts if you LOOK for the points I'm making. If you still want facts beyond LOOKING and seeing without touching... Then I can't help. 

    It's like saying the sun that we can all see is not real.

    A lot of talk my ass, this game is a coding mess.
    Look what?

    You just compared Pantheon with EQ2, as if they share the same flaws.
    By looking at the Videos there is no way to tell Pantheon will have the same problems of EQ2, I don’t know what kind of glasses you are using.

    And what exactly make you think that Pantheon is a coding mess?
    You saw that from the videos? How?

    The only thing you can see are mediocre animations which VR said already will be improved over time.
    Other than that, you are just pulling stuff out of your ass.
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