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Amazon Lays Off 'Dozens' of Developers & Cancels Unannounced Games - MMORPG.com News

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  • Itzme123Itzme123 Member UncommonPosts: 58
    They realized a business model based entirely on copying trends that happened 5 years ago and shilling them on twitch was a terrible idea. I hope.

    You can't manufacture success before your product is......successful. It's working short term for the EAs and Activisions of the world. But their reputations are at an all time low. Along with consumer trust and retention. Not to mention pushing the limits of how much governments will tolerate. Regulation and government interference is looming because of it.

    Absolute height of arrogance to think they (or any big money publisher) can "just show up" 5 years late and replicate an indie trend with minimal effort and expect a pay off.


  • MargraveMargrave Member RarePosts: 1,174
    Not surprised.

    After trying out New World I figured it would die.

    Just another Smedley POS.
    OG_ZorvanRovn
  • TheocritusTheocritus Member EpicPosts: 7,178
    Amazon probably just decided to buy a small country instead....
    DMKanoPhaserlight
  • Thomas2006Thomas2006 Member RarePosts: 1,138
    What is wrong with New World. There is enough long that they have ended testing and brought the game back into development. The game for the most part is just another generic survival game and that is something we have so many of that another survival game will just not make it.

    I hope once they are do redeveloping New World it will be something different then what it was. Hopefully they do not just cancel it and stop attempting to make games in the process.
  • davezordavezor Member UncommonPosts: 15
    John Smedley strikes again. The dude is fucking poison.
    Gdemami
    Don't be a dum dum.
  • DMKanoDMKano Member LegendaryPosts: 21,925
    Scot said:
    And remember guys the gaming industry is doing amazingly well! There is a lot of money swilling around, but that doesn't mean there are not deep seated issues.
    Actually this is the first year since 2000 that shows a downturn in sales - so there is without a doubt a real problem.

    https://wolfstreet.com/2019/03/13/video-game-industry-stalls-stocks-plunge-whats-going-on/



    Obviously the end of the year is not here yet but the current projections are all showing a decline in sales for the first time since 2000
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  • StoneRosesStoneRoses Member RarePosts: 1,636


    Amazon needs to be split up, they've gotten too big of a company and because of their size are causing so many stores and other companies to lose business. Same with google, facebook and walmart. They need to be split up to smaller companies that actually compete with each other. 

    Because of amazon, toys r us, a bunch of clothing stores and even gamestop (as some examples) are all closing down because people are shopping online now and most of that is through amazon. That needs to stop and amazon needs to be forced to split into multiple businesses. Same with google who has a stranglehold on youtube, search engines and countless other things they invest in

    Steam also is too big and needs to be split up, they have a stranglehold on the PC digital business. EPIC isn't much of a threat as their game list is tiny. But imagine if steam was forced to split into multiple store fronts...then that gives a huge competition in general for digital pc sales. It even gives sites like GOG a chance at a new life with possibly many new customers.



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    What's your excuse?
  • LobotomistLobotomist Member RarePosts: 5,828
    Smed if you are reading this continue Hero Song !



  • LimnicLimnic Member RarePosts: 1,116
    This news doesn't really surprise me. Lumberyard was never quite what it's needed to be, and it's not gained a lot of traction as a result. Amazon isn't offering anything new to the gaming genre with their services and their own internal titles reflect(ed) that situation.
    Gdemami
  • TEKK3NTEKK3N Member RarePosts: 919
    Smedley never got a clue.
    I've been saying this since they deployed the NGE patch for SWG, then turned EQ2 into WOW Light, and had the final confirmation when they wasted money on a kiddie game like Free Realm, a game Smedley commissioned so his children could play it; "My children are having lot of fun", he said. Well, we are not.

    Before people jump in reminding me that Smedley doesn't run the whole Studio, he run one of the biggest team though, and since the games already announced (and not canceled) are not developed by Smedley Studio, I am guessing that is his games that are axed.
    GdemamiUngood
  • ScotScot Member LegendaryPosts: 12,397
    edited June 2019
    I just saw DMkano's graph, mobile is making more money than PC, Console, VR, arcade and handheld combined. And it does not look like mobile will be taking a hit in 2019, it is other platforms? Well it is an estimate, we shall see.

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  • AntariousAntarious Member UncommonPosts: 2,804
    I know when Amazon Game Studio's was announced I had a glimmer of hope. Of course this was only going to last through the misconception that New World was going to be an MMO. Which I actually thought it would be.

    Why? Well if you come into the market with a lot of money behind you. To me it made sense to go after part of the market that hadn't really had anything new. From my perspective making a Survival game, Battle Royale or Moba as examples is kind of stupid and that ranges back to when Amazon Game Studio's was announced. So now I would kind of expect that all of these games fit exactly those types of games.

    MMO's on the other hand... when exactly was the last Triple A MMO that wasn't either a worse version of WoW or one of those games that look like cut and pastes of the last bunch of cash shops to be released.

    So the moment that New World being a Survival game started to surface... well these layoffs were expected. I'm not sure how anyone in charge didn't know this... and personally I don't see Smedley as being the problem here. Which is also ironic because I only ever came to this site because of SOE... but that horse is long gone.

    When I got invited into the very first wave of New World Alpha.... well the rumors weren't rumors anymore. I didn't violate the NDA and post stuff... didn't rant/rave on forums. Just uninstalled and forgot about Amazon Game Studio's until reading this article.
    Gdemami
  • kitaradkitarad Member EpicPosts: 5,329
    They made the mistake of jumping on the survival bandwagon.

  • TEKK3NTEKK3N Member RarePosts: 919
    edited June 2019
    Scot said:
    I just saw DMkano's graph, mobile is making more money than PC, Console, VR, arcade and handheld combined. And it does not look like mobile will be taking a hit in 2019, it is other platforms? Well it is an estimate, we shall see.
    Seriously though.
    This bullshit about Mobile games overtaking whatever other platform is getting really annoying (not having a go at you, just speaking in general).
    Candy Crush and all the other mobile rubbish are not real games, they re just time killers, they are basically the modern version of Crossroads.
    I would not put mobile games in the same category as the other games, in my opinion they do not compete, at all.

    The Mobile Market is a new market, if you look at the graphics, the whole traditional gaming industry (PC+Console) has been steady for a decade.
    The Mobile didn't cannibalize traditional games. There is no reason to panic and move all game production to Mobile, because the PC+Console market is still there.

    You won't see traditional games being a success on mobile, I can guarantee you that.
    Sure we do have phones (Blizzard docet), but who the fuck plays Diablo Immortal while sitting on the toilet or at the bus stop waiting for the bus?
    If this individual exists, I want to meet him and punch him right in the face.

    MisterZebubGdemami
  • hfztthfztt Member RarePosts: 1,363

    DMKano said:


    A buddy of mine works for Amazon games - he is one of the Lumberyard engine developers. He is safe (not affected by layoffs)


    If they had stopped development on Lumberyard, that would have been the LOL moment of the year...
  • UngoodUngood Member EpicPosts: 2,878
    Smedly... nuff said.
  • MisterZebubMisterZebub Member LegendaryPosts: 3,584
    edited June 2019
    TEKK3N said:
    Scot said:
    I just saw DMkano's graph, mobile is making more money than PC, Console, VR, arcade and handheld combined. And it does not look like mobile will be taking a hit in 2019, it is other platforms? Well it is an estimate, we shall see.
    Seriously though.
    This bullshit about Mobile games overtaking whatever other platform is getting really annoying (not having a go at you, just speaking in general).
    Candy Crush and all the other mobile rubbish are not real games, they re just time killers, they are basically the modern version of Crossroads.
    I would not put mobile games in the same category as the other games, in my opinion they do not compete, at all.

    The Mobile Market is a new market, if you look at the graphics, the whole traditional gaming industry (PC+Console) has been steady for a decade.
    The Mobile didn't cannibalize traditional games. There is no reason to panic and move all game production to Mobile, because the PC+Console market is still there.

    You won't see traditional games being a success on mobile, I can guarantee you that.
    Sure we do have phones (Blizzard docet), but who the fuck plays Diablo Immortal while sitting on the toilet or at the bus stop waiting for the bus?
    If this individual exists, I want to meet him and punch him right in the face.

    The problem here is the mobile, and what the both of us would consider the "mainstream gaming" market, barely overlap. Those little time killers are played my millions on much more accessible mobile devices on a daily basis. Most of those people are not "main stream" gamers. So will more complex "mainstream" games ever switch to mobile devices? Most likely not, however seeing the larger percentage of profit due to ease of development of mobile games, how long do you think it will take before "mainstream game" makers start to abandon us to move on to greener pastures. We've already seen what Blizzard thinks of the whole situation.
    Post edited by MisterZebub on
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  • ElonMuskElonMusk Member UncommonPosts: 64

    nyxium said:

    I never took these guys seriously as a game developer anyway. Stick to selling gpu cards, Amazon. Good luck to the dev's and hopefully they will gain new employment soon, steer clear of Amazon though. :D



    All you know Amazon for is for selling video cards?!
  • TEKK3NTEKK3N Member RarePosts: 919
    TEKK3N said:
    Scot said:
    I just saw DMkano's graph, mobile is making more money than PC, Console, VR, arcade and handheld combined. And it does not look like mobile will be taking a hit in 2019, it is other platforms? Well it is an estimate, we shall see.
    Seriously though.
    This bullshit about Mobile games overtaking whatever other platform is getting really annoying (not having a go at you, just speaking in general).
    Candy Crush and all the other mobile rubbish are not real games, they re just time killers, they are basically the modern version of Crossroads.
    I would not put mobile games in the same category as the other games, in my opinion they do not compete, at all.

    The Mobile Market is a new market, if you look at the graphics, the whole traditional gaming industry (PC+Console) has been steady for a decade.
    The Mobile didn't cannibalize traditional games. There is no reason to panic and move all game production to Mobile, because the PC+Console market is still there.

    You won't see traditional games being a success on mobile, I can guarantee you that.
    Sure we do have phones (Blizzard docet), but who the fuck plays Diablo Immortal while sitting on the toilet or at the bus stop waiting for the bus?
    If this individual exists, I want to meet him and punch him right in the face.

    The problem here is the mobile, and what the both of us would consider the "mainstream gaming" market, barely overlap. Those little time killers are played my millions on much more accessible mobile devices on a daily basis. Most of those people are not "main stream" gamers. So will more complex "mainstream" games ever switch to mobile devices? Most likely not, however seeing the larger percentage of profit due to ease of development of mobile games, how long do you think it will take before "mainstream game" makers start to abandon us to move on to greener pastures.
    That's the point I was trying to make.
    Developers are in full retard mode, panicking over missing the Mobile train.

    But the thing is, as you pointed out, that Mobile and Mainstream gaming barely overlap.
    Two separate markets. Just hire more people and develope for both markets.

    The stupidity of game developers is highlighted by Blizzard debacle over Diablo Immortals.

    As you know Blizz\Acti owns King which is one of the biggest Mobile developers (Candy Crush anyone?).
    Why on earth they felt the need to taint Blizzard with their Mobile shit when they have already a Mobile developer which excel in doing just that?

    The whole industry is behaving like headless chickens.
    MisterZebubGdemamiTacticalZombeh
  • MisterZebubMisterZebub Member LegendaryPosts: 3,584
    TEKK3N said:
    TEKK3N said:
    Scot said:
    I just saw DMkano's graph, mobile is making more money than PC, Console, VR, arcade and handheld combined. And it does not look like mobile will be taking a hit in 2019, it is other platforms? Well it is an estimate, we shall see.
    Seriously though.
    This bullshit about Mobile games overtaking whatever other platform is getting really annoying (not having a go at you, just speaking in general).
    Candy Crush and all the other mobile rubbish are not real games, they re just time killers, they are basically the modern version of Crossroads.
    I would not put mobile games in the same category as the other games, in my opinion they do not compete, at all.

    The Mobile Market is a new market, if you look at the graphics, the whole traditional gaming industry (PC+Console) has been steady for a decade.
    The Mobile didn't cannibalize traditional games. There is no reason to panic and move all game production to Mobile, because the PC+Console market is still there.

    You won't see traditional games being a success on mobile, I can guarantee you that.
    Sure we do have phones (Blizzard docet), but who the fuck plays Diablo Immortal while sitting on the toilet or at the bus stop waiting for the bus?
    If this individual exists, I want to meet him and punch him right in the face.

    The problem here is the mobile, and what the both of us would consider the "mainstream gaming" market, barely overlap. Those little time killers are played my millions on much more accessible mobile devices on a daily basis. Most of those people are not "main stream" gamers. So will more complex "mainstream" games ever switch to mobile devices? Most likely not, however seeing the larger percentage of profit due to ease of development of mobile games, how long do you think it will take before "mainstream game" makers start to abandon us to move on to greener pastures.
    That's the point I was trying to make.
    Developers are in full retard mode, panicking over missing the Mobile train.

    But the thing is, as you pointed out, that Mobile and Mainstream gaming barely overlap.
    Two separate markets. Just hire more people and develope for both markets.

    The stupidity of game developers is highlighted by Blizzard debacle over Diablo Immortals.

    As you know Blizz\Acti owns King which is one of the biggest Mobile developers (Candy Crush anyone?).
    Why on earth they felt the need to taint Blizzard with their Mobile shit when they have already a Mobile developer which excel in doing just that?

    The whole industry is behaving like headless chickens.
    Yeah won't argue there, they abandon profitable works to chase the next dream, completely ignoring that is exactly what everyone else is also doing. So they all rush to the "good side of the ship" not realizing once they all get there all they will mostly accomplish is to tip the whole bloody thing over on its side. Then the survivors will wash ashore amongst the wreckage, build a new ship, and chase the next damn fool siren's song.



    TEKK3N

    "You have kept me at your beck and call for fifteen years. I shall never again do what you demand of me. By every rule of single combat, from this moment your life belongs to me. Is that not correct? Then I shall simply declare you dead. In all of your dealings with me, you'll do me the courtesy to conduct yourself as a dead man. I have submitted to your notions of honor long enough. You will now submit to mine."

  • TheocritusTheocritus Member EpicPosts: 7,178
    wow look at the mobile on DMKanos graph! It sucks that so many players are going for that garbage.
    Gdemami
  • LackingMMOLackingMMO Member RarePosts: 455
    I tried new world, I really feel it was no different than any other survival, nothing new, bland. You would thing with the resources they have at there disposal they could come up with something better.. Nope. Im starting to feel more and more just leave the game developing to game companies. Google Will have to prove themselves before I even touch stadia.
    bartoni33
  • FlyByKnightFlyByKnight Member EpicPosts: 3,967
    That graph is why I thought PC Gamers would take to the idea of cloud based gaming. Not for it being an optimal gaming experience but because it's a potential wrench in the mobile market. Why play Diable Mobile when you can just fire up your favorite Diablo title ultra settings from your handheld?

    It could potentially force game studios to play by the unspoken rules of desktop/console gaming across the board. A lot of the accepted practices that are now normal in mobile gaming exist because no one took it serious as a consequential medium. Meaning "whatever we do here, won't be judged outside of here". I remember a while back I watched a developer panel where they did a challenge called "Make The Worst Mobile Game Ever". The things they "joked" about are norms.

    N E WHO, the only thing that's going to stop nefarious mobile game development is a respectable viable alternative muscling on the screen time. 
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  • BruceYeeBruceYee Member RarePosts: 1,727
    #pumpthebrakesonmobilehate

    If it wasn't for mobile I wouldn't have had a single DC or Marvel game with multiplayer features to play for years cause those IP's for the most part have given up on PC. Marvel Avengers the SE game comes out May 2020...

    As for Blizzard's mobile move IMO they handled it wrong by outsourcing their IP to a foreign company to do a Diablo re-skin of a generic looking eastern mobile game. Would anyone really have had an issue if they'd announced a match 3 Diablo, WoW or Starcraft game made by King?

    Mobile gaming is there to provide people with a gaming option when you can't get to console or PC which is why it's so popular IMO. Whether or not it survives long term who knows but for the past 5 years has served its purpose of providing on the go entertainment and in some cases a casual multiplayer experience that is sometimes hard to find these days in PC gaming.
  • MazenealMazeneal Member UncommonPosts: 49


    Amazon needs to be split up, they've gotten too big of a company and because of their size are causing so many stores and other companies to lose business. Same with google, facebook and walmart. They need to be split up to smaller companies that actually compete with each other. 

    Because of amazon, toys r us, a bunch of clothing stores and even gamestop (as some examples) are all closing down because people are shopping online now and most of that is through amazon. That needs to stop and amazon needs to be forced to split into multiple businesses. Same with google who has a stranglehold on youtube, search engines and countless other things they invest in

    Steam also is too big and needs to be split up, they have a stranglehold on the PC digital business. EPIC isn't much of a threat as their game list is tiny. But imagine if steam was forced to split into multiple store fronts...then that gives a huge competition in general for digital pc sales. It even gives sites like GOG a chance at a new life with possibly many new customers.



    First of all, what does any of this have to do with AGS, and their laying off of employees despite the lack of any releases since inception!? Secondly, please stop regurgitating bits and pieces of talking points. No offense, you come off like a copy and paste algorithm.
    gervaise1
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