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Amazon Lays Off 'Dozens' of Developers & Cancels Unannounced Games - MMORPG.com News

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  • SovrathSovrath Member LegendaryPosts: 26,542
    Aeander said:
    SlyLoK said:
    trikery said:
    What's wrong with New World?
    Nothing. Just already a more polished and larger version of a survival game. And I hate survival games.
    Survival is a flaw in and of itself. Bottom of the barrel game genre.
    nope  B)
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  • HarikenHariken Member RarePosts: 2,286
    Yeah, I guess they realize New World isn't going to be the hit game they thought. The heads at Amazon probably don't have a clue about gaming and gamers. So they thought they would hire a bunch of experts to start a game company. And the first thing they do is make an MMO that is an open world gankbox. So interest in it fades away and now they are struggling. They should do a reset and hire smarter people.
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  • WizardryWizardry Member LegendaryPosts: 16,092
    Just because some devs make crappy games does not mean the GENRE is crappy.
    it took a while but i know now that Smedley is a joke,i wouldn't buy anything he is selling.

    What do i expect to see,well bandwagon stupidity would likely produce a FN type shooter.Other than that i figure a few real low budget,low risk games,perhaps a trend towards mobile.

    You can't just take your name and say "ok we are in the gaming business"that is so pathetic it is not funny.You have to have a solid plan on how you plan to succeed in an extremely flooded market.
    You have to be CREATIVE and be willing to invest a lot of time and money into your ideas before turning any profit.The industry has been trying to do it the WRONG way because they see a small handful making a lot of money but seem to forget all the losers that go out of business.
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  • ScotScot Member LegendaryPosts: 11,338
    And remember guys the gaming industry is doing amazingly well! There is a lot of money swilling around, but that doesn't mean there are not deep seated issues.
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  • DMKanoDMKano Member LegendaryPosts: 20,474
    DMKano said:

    DMKano said:

    Remember when people thought that Amazon Game Studios was the savior of MMORPG genre? 

    Heh



    they did?

    Yes on these very forums when Amazon first revealed their projects - it was all oohs and ahhs.

    When I saw breakaway - I actually burst out in laughter- when I realized that it wasn't a joke but a real game they were working on, I immediately knew that they were so screwed.

    A buddy of mine works for Amazon games - he is one of the Lumberyard engine developers. He is safe (not affected by layoffs)
    then ask him waht they are smoking to think these games would be any good? new world I could see a niche for it though, the other one? nah

    Engine developers dont have anything to do with game design, so what game teams end up creating has nothing to do with him - he wouldn't know, nor care, he just does server net code and that is all.
  • RobokappRobokapp Member RarePosts: 6,026
    Sovrath said:
    Aeander said:
    SlyLoK said:
    trikery said:
    What's wrong with New World?
    Nothing. Just already a more polished and larger version of a survival game. And I hate survival games.
    Survival is a flaw in and of itself. Bottom of the barrel game genre.
    nope  B)
    kind of
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  • AlverantAlverant Member RarePosts: 1,096


    Amazon needs to be split up, they've gotten too big of a company and because of their size are causing so many stores and other companies to lose business. Same with google, facebook and walmart. They need to be split up to smaller companies that actually compete with each other. 

    Because of amazon, toys r us, a bunch of clothing stores and even gamestop (as some examples) are all closing down because people are shopping online now and most of that is through amazon. That needs to stop and amazon needs to be forced to split into multiple businesses. Same with google who has a stranglehold on youtube, search engines and countless other things they invest in

    Steam also is too big and needs to be split up, they have a stranglehold on the PC digital business. EPIC isn't much of a threat as their game list is tiny. But imagine if steam was forced to split into multiple store fronts...then that gives a huge competition in general for digital pc sales. It even gives sites like GOG a chance at a new life with possibly many new customers.



    I don't think you can blame Gamestop's demise on Amazon. Steam, maybe. Mismanagement, definitely. Same with TRU. They bought up a bunch of shares, went into debt, and couldn't pay it off when kids became more interested in apps on their tablets/phones than actual toys. I won't say Amazon wasn't a factor, but if you're looking for a major cause look elsewhere.



    I'm not sure breaking up Amazon will help or is even possible. Their whole thing is the economies of scale. They find something that makes a little money then ramp it up to crazy levels. Unless you're going to say "you do books and music", "you do other merchandise", it's going to be tough. Then you have all the other things Amazon does like their web services. No, making them accountable to the public is the best way to do it.



    Walmart needs to go period. They engage in too much wage theft and treat their employees horribly. We all pay for it in the end whether or not we shop there.

  • alkarionlogalkarionlog Member RarePosts: 2,437
    DMKano said:
    DMKano said:

    DMKano said:

    Remember when people thought that Amazon Game Studios was the savior of MMORPG genre? 

    Heh



    they did?

    Yes on these very forums when Amazon first revealed their projects - it was all oohs and ahhs.

    When I saw breakaway - I actually burst out in laughter- when I realized that it wasn't a joke but a real game they were working on, I immediately knew that they were so screwed.

    A buddy of mine works for Amazon games - he is one of the Lumberyard engine developers. He is safe (not affected by layoffs)
    then ask him waht they are smoking to think these games would be any good? new world I could see a niche for it though, the other one? nah

    Engine developers dont have anything to do with game design, so what game teams end up creating has nothing to do with him - he wouldn't know, nor care, he just does server net code and that is all.
    I don't know about you but you tend to know what happen with other offices close to yours, even more when you are part of the process of making such things

    if he don't, I can guess one problem, and could explain the lay offs
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  • ScottJeslisScottJeslis Member UncommonPosts: 277
    Well Amazon I guess you can't rule everything. Focus on Prime, Shipping and Prime Video originals!
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  • MadFrenchieMadFrenchie Member LegendaryPosts: 8,483
    edited June 14
    Robokapp said:
    Sovrath said:
    Aeander said:
    SlyLoK said:
    trikery said:
    What's wrong with New World?
    Nothing. Just already a more polished and larger version of a survival game. And I hate survival games.
    Survival is a flaw in and of itself. Bottom of the barrel game genre.
    nope  B)
    kind of
    Eh, some can.  Others, like The Solus Project and Subnautica, contain definite narrative content that drives the player to not only survive, but continue exploring.

    I agree the games that are like "here's a bunch of scenery, now just walk around looking at stuff while staying alive!" are pretty poor in that it seems like a bunch of really high-quality pages bound into a genuine leather cover containing nothing but a recitation of the alphabet.  Not all survival games are so basic and seemingly pointless in the overall gameplay loop, though, and the genre seems to be waking up to the fact that such a basic loop won't do anymore.

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  • DMKanoDMKano Member LegendaryPosts: 20,474
    DMKano said:
    DMKano said:

    DMKano said:

    Remember when people thought that Amazon Game Studios was the savior of MMORPG genre? 

    Heh



    they did?

    Yes on these very forums when Amazon first revealed their projects - it was all oohs and ahhs.

    When I saw breakaway - I actually burst out in laughter- when I realized that it wasn't a joke but a real game they were working on, I immediately knew that they were so screwed.

    A buddy of mine works for Amazon games - he is one of the Lumberyard engine developers. He is safe (not affected by layoffs)
    then ask him waht they are smoking to think these games would be any good? new world I could see a niche for it though, the other one? nah

    Engine developers dont have anything to do with game design, so what game teams end up creating has nothing to do with him - he wouldn't know, nor care, he just does server net code and that is all.
    I don't know about you but you tend to know what happen with other offices close to yours, even more when you are part of the process of making such things

    if he don't, I can guess one problem, and could explain the lay offs

    It's not unusual for server net code dev to not care about game design.
     
    Heck it's not unusual for them to not even play any video games.

    The public would be surprised how many game devs dont play their own games after a while, its pretty crazy but its true, there is a significant % that only do it as a job.
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  • BruceYeeBruceYee Member RarePosts: 1,553
    When you look at all the projects they gave up on recently I stand by my theory from one year ago that AGS won't release a single game. They made a mistake right off the bat when they hired a bunch of leecher devs rather than people with real vision. Those devs had all the money/support in the world but decided to dig into their positions/paychecks instead of creating amazing games with all the resources at their fingertips. Unfortunately for us gamers Amazon was too clueless about gaming to know that those chodes played them like a fiddle. If those people weren't part of the 12 that were let go then that means they are getting rid of lower level devs first to keep their paychecks going as long as possible. I said it before that Amazon should take these individuals to court for sabotaging their studio right out of the gate.
  • mgilbrtsnmgilbrtsn Member EpicPosts: 3,283
    Not great news to be sure.  My guess is that they jumped full into this and are now realizing that this market can be pretty cutthroat.  I would imagine that they will determine things on how New World does (which I'm looking forward to, so I'll do my best to keep them going)

    Concentrate on enjoying yourself, and not on why I shouldn't enjoy myself.

  • SeelinnikoiSeelinnikoi Member RarePosts: 1,268
    Would you trust Costco or Walmart in making games?

    Yeah...

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  • AeanderAeander Member LegendaryPosts: 4,313
    Would you trust Costco or Walmart in making games?

    Yeah...

    Costco would at least treat its employees better.
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  • AlusciaAluscia Member UncommonPosts: 39
    Those laid off have said that they have 60 days to find new work within Amazon or, if they cannot, will receive a severance package. 

    That's 60 days with pay to find new work within the huge, multi-silo'd company that is Amazon BEFORE getting packaged if they can't. Sucks that the projects were killed, but that deal doesn't sound so bad compared to other studios that put devs out in the cold without another word. 9626 openings for devs at the current count.... https://www.amazon.jobs/en/search?offset=0&result_limit=10&sort=relevant&category=software-development&distanceType=Mi&radius=24km&latitude=&longitude=&loc_group_id=&loc_query=&base_query=Software%20Development%20Engineer&city=&country=&region=&county=&query_options=&

  • SeelinnikoiSeelinnikoi Member RarePosts: 1,268
    Aeander said:
    Would you trust Costco or Walmart in making games?

    Yeah...

    Costco would at least treat its employees better.
    Probably, amazon is very well known for treating its employees like slaves and disposable assets.
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  • SovrathSovrath Member LegendaryPosts: 26,542
    DMKano said:
    DMKano said:
    DMKano said:

    DMKano said:

    Remember when people thought that Amazon Game Studios was the savior of MMORPG genre? 

    Heh



    they did?

    Yes on these very forums when Amazon first revealed their projects - it was all oohs and ahhs.

    When I saw breakaway - I actually burst out in laughter- when I realized that it wasn't a joke but a real game they were working on, I immediately knew that they were so screwed.

    A buddy of mine works for Amazon games - he is one of the Lumberyard engine developers. He is safe (not affected by layoffs)
    then ask him waht they are smoking to think these games would be any good? new world I could see a niche for it though, the other one? nah

    Engine developers dont have anything to do with game design, so what game teams end up creating has nothing to do with him - he wouldn't know, nor care, he just does server net code and that is all.
    I don't know about you but you tend to know what happen with other offices close to yours, even more when you are part of the process of making such things

    if he don't, I can guess one problem, and could explain the lay offs

    It's not unusual for server net code dev to not care about game design.
     
    Heck it's not unusual for them to not even play any video games.

    The public would be surprised how many game devs dont play their own games after a while, its pretty crazy but its true, there is a significant % that only do it as a job.
    Does a netcode developer have to care? I would say no.

    I would bet there are other developers who don't need to play games, just need to be able to do their part.

    Now, the people planning the actual "game" what people will do and how they do it, that's a different thing.



  • gervaise1gervaise1 Member EpicPosts: 5,981
    A number of unannounced titles have been cancelled - so I don't think we can draw any conclusions about games we know about. Theories sure but nothing more than that until we hear more.

    And they have done the same with the TV side as far as cancelling stuff that they deemed to be not making enough of an impact; their push continues though so I think its to early to say that they are shutting up shop as far as games go.
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  • FlyByKnightFlyByKnight Member EpicPosts: 3,800
    If you think Amazon is just some "Walmart" or "Costco" you need to peak your head out of of your woodland lodgings right quick. There's such a thing as Amazon Web Services. You should understand where that sits in the digital food chain.

    There is a 3 company race to become the IRL Skynet and Amazon is right there in the running for top spot. If you knew how many upstart AI and deep learning companies are getting swallowed up by Amazon (as well as Google, Apple and Microsoft) it would freak you out.
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  • psiicpsiic Member RarePosts: 1,600
    Well New World was a steaming pile of dated crap. 
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  • psiicpsiic Member RarePosts: 1,600
    This is what happens when people who know absolutely nothing about game development are in charge of hiring the game developers and project leaders, everyone knows 90% of project managers out there are just project managers because they know how to lie on their resumes. 
  • IselinIselin Member LegendaryPosts: 12,462
    DMKano said:

    DMKano said:

    Remember when people thought that Amazon Game Studios was the savior of MMORPG genre? 

    Heh



    they did?

    Yes on these very forums when Amazon first revealed their projects - it was all oohs and ahhs.


    Not I (and probably not Wiz either but he hates everything.) I have always been skeptical about their apparent intention to develop games focusing on their Twitchabilty. That's always made me feel like they're developing with ulterior motives unrelated to the quality of the game and that seems ass backwards.

    Twitch hits happen because a game is fun to play, gets a lot of high praise from players. typicaly surprising everyone, and then they become the next hot thing. You don't force that and trying to force it seems to be exactly what they have in mind. 
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  • blamo2000blamo2000 Member RarePosts: 821
    I feel bad for the people who were laid off, but I do like when the biggest megacorp in the world fails at something.
  • MendelMendel Member EpicPosts: 3,065
    Amazon fails.  I wonder if the higher ups really understood the costs or time involved with making a game.  They have the money, but I'd be willing to bet they don't throw that money around willy-nilly.  At least, it appears that they have the knowledge to get out when the financials go south.

    @Iselin is right on with his forced twitchability take.  Making a game to generate content for a video streaming service is incredibly daft.  Just figure out a way to monetize cat videos, that would generate more revenue.



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