you dont need articles to point out the flaws in this project all you need is a calendar. Month after month year after year its the same excuses and same flawed logic. They 'improve' or 'fix' one or two things and break a half dozen others. But the shell still isnt even finished everything they do is calculated to get the most positive spin potential. But inevitably turns out to be another failure.
Every time they might possibly make some step forward they announce another complete 're-do' of something that was deemed 'genre changing' only months before. Its laughable.
All the white knights proclaim how earthshattering the game is while conventionality forgetting everything that has had to be started over from scratch. Not because it really had to (to actually improve anything) but mostly to keep the con going. Problem is theyre running out of things they have actually been able to accomplish (and re-do) and theyre eventually going to have to address the things they absolutely cannot do or finish because as its been mentioned for years, they cant be done the way they claimed, or at all.
Its like a guy claiming he can build a 4 dimensional piece of art. He digs a few hundred holes andf places a few dozen sections but then he claims he has to redig the holes or move a few of the pieces to make it 'better' when he hasnt answered the obvious question...how are you going to make a four dimensional piece of art in the first place. Digging holes and placing parts of said art are obviously the easy part, actually having a four dimensional piece of art is the impossible part. Roberts and company have been re-digging and moving pieces around for the past 5 years. And they havent even gotten what equates to a kindergarten finger painting let alone a four dimensional piece of art.
>>> Its like a guy claiming he can build a 4 dimensional piece of art. >>>
*Puts a clock on a wall*
Presto .... 4 dimensional art ... 3D space + time
>>>>
to address the things they absolutely cannot
do or finish because as its been mentioned for years, they cant be done
the way they claimed, or at all.
>>>>
And every time someone claimed "it cannot be done" .... CIG did it ...
Then the "someone" moved the goalpost and claimed another thing "cannot be done" ... and CIG did it.
Yes, it takes some time. Because it isn't easy. Because it is often an optimization problem.
Thats why - for me personally - its okay if "it is done when it is done". I do NOT want more of the same old games. I want something new. A worthy successor to Star Wars Galaxies. Something like Witcher 3 for space gamers. Something like Cyberpunk 2077 seems to become too. And i will play them all - the more, the better.
>>> Its like a guy claiming he can build a 4 dimensional piece of art. >>>
*Puts a clock on a wall*
Presto .... 4 dimensional art ... 3D space + time
>>>>
to address the things they absolutely cannot
do or finish because as its been mentioned for years, they cant be done
the way they claimed, or at all.
>>>>
And every time someone claimed "it cannot be done" .... CIG did it ...
Then the "someone" moved the goalpost and claimed another thing "cannot be done" ... and CIG did it.
Yes, it takes some time. Because it isn't easy. Because it is often an optimization problem.
Thats why - for me personally - its okay if "it is done when it is done". I do NOT want more of the same old games. I want something new. A worthy successor to Star Wars Galaxies. Something like Witcher 3 for space gamers. Something like Cyberpunk 2077 seems to become too. And i will play them all - the more, the better.
Have fun
1) time is nothing like 4th dimension...oddly common misconception
2) yes, CIG 'did it' although it isnt't anything to brag about, since their development and design is just awfully inefficient and...stupid(ie. seamless solar system flight)...
3) there is nothing more difficult about SC development than any other mmo,it is just as pointed above - inefficient and stupid.
4) so far, SC isn't showing anything,apart from money collected, that would set them apart from other games
>>> Its like a guy claiming he can build a 4 dimensional piece of art. >>>
*Puts a clock on a wall*
Presto .... 4 dimensional art ... 3D space + time
>>>>
to address the things they absolutely cannot
do or finish because as its been mentioned for years, they cant be done
the way they claimed, or at all.
>>>>
And every time someone claimed "it cannot be done" .... CIG did it ...
Then the "someone" moved the goalpost and claimed another thing "cannot be done" ... and CIG did it.
Yes, it takes some time. Because it isn't easy. Because it is often an optimization problem.
Thats why - for me personally - its okay if "it is done when it is done". I do NOT want more of the same old games. I want something new. A worthy successor to Star Wars Galaxies. Something like Witcher 3 for space gamers. Something like Cyberpunk 2077 seems to become too. And i will play them all - the more, the better.
Have fun
Given enough time and money I'm sure everything is possible, but a game which ends up possibly taking over 10 years to launch and a half a billion to create borders on ludicrous.
But hey, people keep sending in free money, so what do I know.
One thought, if these new cloud based streaming game services really take off, combined with the next generation console launches, will there be enough gamers who still own a gaming PC to play SC? I know I will consider not buying a PC in the future.
What are the odds SC will run well on these new platforms unless optimised to do so and do you suppose RI is thinking ahead on this sort of thing?
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>>> Its like a guy claiming he can build a 4 dimensional piece of art. >>>
*Puts a clock on a wall*
Presto .... 4 dimensional art ... 3D space + time
***snip**
Have fun
1) time is nothing like 4th dimension...oddly common misconception
Not a misconception. It is simply one of the possible interpretations:
--> "Time is often thought of as the fourth dimension. Time plays a key role as a dimension
in mathematical formulations of physical laws and theories such as
general relativity and string theory. The qualitative behavior of time as the fourth dimension is debatable."
In newer works - string theory and post-Higgs-Boson-found-particle physics - with its 7 to 11+ dimensions, time has even more possible interpretations.
Erillion said: It is simply one of the possible interpretations
It is not.
...you better read links you provide or don't provide links to topics you cannot comprehend.
Time can be counted as a dimension. If someone isn't more specific on what dimensions he wants, then time qualifies.
However the clock would not really qualify because it's just a representation of time, or something measuring time, but not any more in the dimension of time than anything other. Something that would constantly change in more exciting ways than clock - for example a lava lamp - would qualify much better as piece of art where 3 dimensional it's nowhere near as impressive as it becomes when you take into account the 4th dimension of time.
In common language, a dimension implies spatial dimension.
In physics though, a dimension refers to a measurement on scale.
In that sense, time is indeed dimension but not the spatial one. In physics/mathematics, time is required, used and refered to as a dimension, ie. Lorentz transformations, but it is just a variable for frame of reference.
It is 'another dimension', a variable of spacetime, not a dimension of space.
There are several interpretations possible about the nature of time. The discussion goes on for over a hundreds years now. No commonly agreed consensus exists yet.
Gdemamis position is one of the possible positions. But not the only possible one. ;-)
...anyone can disagree but that does not make them right.
There is a reason why concept of Minkowski space was embraced by sci-fi literature rather than physicists who actually abandoned it due lack of any rationale...
...anyone can disagree but that does not make them right.
There is a reason why concept of Minkowski space was embraced by sci-fi literature rather than physicists that actually abandoned it due lack of any rationale...
As this is a discussion about Star Citizen and it would be too much off-topic to compress an ongoing 110 year debate into this thread... i once again refer those interested in the nature of time and the nature of dimensions to my initial wikipedia link. Everyone interested can read about the discussion in detail there.
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>>> Its like a guy claiming he can build a 4 dimensional piece of art. >>>
*Puts a clock on a wall*
Presto .... 4 dimensional art ... 3D space + time
***snip**
Have fun
1) time is nothing like 4th dimension...oddly common misconception
Not a misconception. It is simply one of the possible interpretations:
--> "Time is often thought of as the fourth dimension. Time plays a key role as a dimension
in mathematical formulations of physical laws and theories such as
general relativity and string theory. The qualitative behavior of time as the fourth dimension is debatable."
In newer works - string theory and post-Higgs-Boson-found-particle physics - with its 7 to 11+ dimensions, time has even more possible interpretations.
Have fun
Sooo... Copenhagen or Many Worlds?
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As usual every SC debate breaks down into THEORY being somehow used as 'proof'. Fitting I guess.
But always fun watching guys using google and the link button on this stuff but never quite able to do it with something like SC which supposedly 'exists'. Or at least the 'stuff' they want to claim exists.
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Every time they might possibly make some step forward they announce another complete 're-do' of something that was deemed 'genre changing' only months before. Its laughable.
All the white knights proclaim how earthshattering the game is while conventionality forgetting everything that has had to be started over from scratch. Not because it really had to (to actually improve anything) but mostly to keep the con going. Problem is theyre running out of things they have actually been able to accomplish (and re-do) and theyre eventually going to have to address the things they absolutely cannot do or finish because as its been mentioned for years, they cant be done the way they claimed, or at all.
Its like a guy claiming he can build a 4 dimensional piece of art. He digs a few hundred holes andf places a few dozen sections but then he claims he has to redig the holes or move a few of the pieces to make it 'better' when he hasnt answered the obvious question...how are you going to make a four dimensional piece of art in the first place. Digging holes and placing parts of said art are obviously the easy part, actually having a four dimensional piece of art is the impossible part. Roberts and company have been re-digging and moving pieces around for the past 5 years. And they havent even gotten what equates to a kindergarten finger painting let alone a four dimensional piece of art.
2) yes, CIG 'did it' although it isnt't anything to brag about, since their development and design is just awfully inefficient and...stupid(ie. seamless solar system flight)...
3) there is nothing more difficult about SC development than any other mmo,it is just as pointed above - inefficient and stupid.
4) so far, SC isn't showing anything,apart from money collected, that would set them apart from other games
But hey...what do you know...
But hey, people keep sending in free money, so what do I know.
One thought, if these new cloud based streaming game services really take off, combined with the next generation console launches, will there be enough gamers who still own a gaming PC to play SC? I know I will consider not buying a PC in the future.
What are the odds SC will run well on these new platforms unless optimised to do so and do you suppose RI is thinking ahead on this sort of thing?
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...you better read links you provide or don't provide links to topics you cannot comprehend.
No wonder you are so fond of SC development that much...
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However the clock would not really qualify because it's just a representation of time, or something measuring time, but not any more in the dimension of time than anything other. Something that would constantly change in more exciting ways than clock - for example a lava lamp - would qualify much better as piece of art where 3 dimensional it's nowhere near as impressive as it becomes when you take into account the 4th dimension of time.
Not in physics nor mathematics.
I guess this is where the confusion comes from:
In common language, a dimension implies spatial dimension.
In physics though, a dimension refers to a measurement on scale.
In that sense, time is indeed dimension but not the spatial one. In physics/mathematics, time is required, used and refered to as a dimension, ie. Lorentz transformations, but it is just a variable for frame of reference.
It is 'another dimension', a variable of spacetime, not a dimension of space.
Stick to game development.
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Ikcin in response to yours sincerely debating whether or not single-player offline MMOs exist...
'This does not apply just to ED but SC or any other game. What they will get is Rebirth/X4, likely prettier but equally underwhelming and pointless.
It is incredibly difficult to design some meaningfull leg content that would fit a space ship game - simply because it is not a leg game.
It is just huge resource waste....'
Gdemami absolutely not being an armchair developer
There is a reason why concept of Minkowski space was embraced by sci-fi literature rather than physicists who actually abandoned it due lack of any rationale...
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But always fun watching guys using google and the link button on this stuff but never quite able to do it with something like SC which supposedly 'exists'. Or at least the 'stuff' they want to claim exists.