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  • MadFrenchieMadFrenchie Member LegendaryPosts: 8,505
    Torval said:
    Torval said:
    Torval said:
    SBFord said:
    Kalafax said:
    When Epics Game Store gets all the extrs Features Steam has, such as a community feeds/forums, Stat tracker, Family Game Sharing, Community Modding workshop, and many other facets of Steam that have made it the great that it is today ( and one of the reasons they can charge the extra percentages they ask for ), then I will give Epic a shot. As of now Epics Game Shop is just a hollow shell of an online shop, with barely any games, and most of the ones on it are garbage, and it doesnt even come close to comparing to any other Game Shop platform.
    You can, in fact, keep track of the development roadmap and check out all the planned features for EGS:

    https://trello.com/b/GXLc34hk/epic-games-store-roadmap
    Why these guys are given a pass is beyond me. They're a multibillion dollar company. We wouldn't and haven't put up with this from EA or Ubisoft and the likes, but Epic gets a pass. They have the resources, but they just don't value the customer experience. Sweeney himself is on record for plainly stating as much.

    Itch.io is an indie store front that caters especially to indies. Despite their size they offer good incentives for studios/publishers while still caring about the consumer as well. Even though they're small they still offer native Linux and Mac clients, along with Windows, to make purchasers feel welcome. They don't have Steam features, but they're actually small and not cash rich unlike Epic. They get a pass because they're actually trying, progressing, and succeeding with no Fortnite bankroll.

    Why are we treating a multibillion dollar company that is over 40% owned by the worlds biggest publisher like they're a struggling indie that finds web dev hard?
    I don't believe it's that this store gets a pass and the other stores didn't. It's an overall experience, and it's also the games available.  Origins exclusivity was hokey at best. There weren't a lot of games that were exclusive, and it was the same situation, the games that were exclusive that people wanted to play, they went to origin to play them. 

    Epic is different because they have a lot of exclusive released titles.  

    I still don't understand it... a store is a store.  You aren't being forced to drive 30 minutes to get a different item, you're literally typing in a different web address. 

    I care nothing for steam. Not over any other store.  At best you can look at the reviews before you buy a game and hope that they give you what you're looking for, at worst, jaded gamers lash out at developers and tank their scores.  Steam never seems to put games in my queue that interest me.  I don't care about the achievements, cards and nonsense like that.. it's bloat.

    I go to stores to buy games, and then I play the games.  Apparently other people feel differently, and all that amounts to, is that they won't get to play some games when they release.  They've made their decision, they shouldn't complain about it.
    The amount of anime-laden Asian games that appear in my queue is baffling considering my Steam games list and play time scream those titles aren't my preference.

    I've stopped using the Discovery queue, unfortunately.
    What does your Epic store discovery queue show you?
    Nothing.  Which is fine by me (I still use Steam).  See the post you quoted for details.
    It's not like you have to use the Steam discovery queue either and you can quite easily filter stuff you you don't like. I just thought you were comparing the two store fronts and their approach to sharing games suggestions. I don't use the discovery queue because it's useless to me.

    I still get a lot of good game suggestions though that are tailored to me. The best is probably my curators and "Related Games". The store page is okay because it shows what friends are playing. I can look at my friends recently played list and get ideas from that. Those are quality because the source opinion has value to me.

    The "Related Games" list is something I like to surf because I often discover small studios and publishers and their other games. Additionally the comments section or discussion forum will throw out game comparisons that lead to some interesting fan/genre discussions.

    Then I spend a lot of time at r/PatientGamers, the sig in my sub, because there are good ideas that pop up all the time. There are good quality threads with game specifics, heads up on sales, and some gaming meta. I get a lot of ideas there and a better feel for whether I'll like a game or be interested in trying it.
    Oh no, my post was just a follow up on someone mentioning their experience with the Discovery Queue.  And the idea behind it is sound, for both consumers and Steam/devs, I just feel it lacks a bit in execution based on the results I've gotten.

    That's why I included the "unfortunately."

    Interesting tidbit about using a Reddit sub to help find new games, sales, and gameplay info.  I know you've mentioned the sub before, but it was in a different context at the time.  My personal process up to now has been to check the aggregate critic scores, read a few critical reviews, then compare/contrast with user reviews.  That's a bit less centralized than a sub, though, and can sometimes present conflicting results.
    Torval

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  • TorvalTorval Member LegendaryPosts: 20,010
    Torval said:
    SBFord said:
    Kalafax said:
    When Epics Game Store gets all the extrs Features Steam has, such as a community feeds/forums, Stat tracker, Family Game Sharing, Community Modding workshop, and many other facets of Steam that have made it the great that it is today ( and one of the reasons they can charge the extra percentages they ask for ), then I will give Epic a shot. As of now Epics Game Shop is just a hollow shell of an online shop, with barely any games, and most of the ones on it are garbage, and it doesnt even come close to comparing to any other Game Shop platform.
    You can, in fact, keep track of the development roadmap and check out all the planned features for EGS:

    https://trello.com/b/GXLc34hk/epic-games-store-roadmap
    Why these guys are given a pass is beyond me. They're a multibillion dollar company. We wouldn't and haven't put up with this from EA or Ubisoft and the likes, but Epic gets a pass. They have the resources, but they just don't value the customer experience. Sweeney himself is on record for plainly stating as much.

    Itch.io is an indie store front that caters especially to indies. Despite their size they offer good incentives for studios/publishers while still caring about the consumer as well. Even though they're small they still offer native Linux and Mac clients, along with Windows, to make purchasers feel welcome. They don't have Steam features, but they're actually small and not cash rich unlike Epic. They get a pass because they're actually trying, progressing, and succeeding with no Fortnite bankroll.

    Why are we treating a multibillion dollar company that is over 40% owned by the worlds biggest publisher like they're a struggling indie that finds web dev hard?
    I don't believe it's that this store gets a pass and the other stores didn't. It's an overall experience, and it's also the games available.  Origins exclusivity was hokey at best. There weren't a lot of games that were exclusive, and it was the same situation, the games that were exclusive that people wanted to play, they went to origin to play them. 

    Epic is different because they have a lot of exclusive released titles.  

    I still don't understand it... a store is a store.  You aren't being forced to drive 30 minutes to get a different item, you're literally typing in a different web address. 

    I care nothing for steam. Not over any other store.  At best you can look at the reviews before you buy a game and hope that they give you what you're looking for, at worst, jaded gamers lash out at developers and tank their scores.  Steam never seems to put games in my queue that interest me.  I don't care about the achievements, cards and nonsense like that.. it's bloat.

    I go to stores to buy games, and then I play the games.  Apparently other people feel differently, and all that amounts to, is that they won't get to play some games when they release.  They've made their decision, they shouldn't complain about it.
    Yes, it does matter to me because I'm not a Windows user. I get that I'm in the minority and that Windows users are the majority... for now. I get why you wouldn't and don't care and want me to shut up. Why should you? You get what you want at no apparent disadvantage to yourself.
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  • maskedweaselmaskedweasel Member EpicPosts: 10,645
    Torval said:
    Torval said:
    SBFord said:
    Kalafax said:
    When Epics Game Store gets all the extrs Features Steam has, such as a community feeds/forums, Stat tracker, Family Game Sharing, Community Modding workshop, and many other facets of Steam that have made it the great that it is today ( and one of the reasons they can charge the extra percentages they ask for ), then I will give Epic a shot. As of now Epics Game Shop is just a hollow shell of an online shop, with barely any games, and most of the ones on it are garbage, and it doesnt even come close to comparing to any other Game Shop platform.
    You can, in fact, keep track of the development roadmap and check out all the planned features for EGS:

    https://trello.com/b/GXLc34hk/epic-games-store-roadmap
    Why these guys are given a pass is beyond me. They're a multibillion dollar company. We wouldn't and haven't put up with this from EA or Ubisoft and the likes, but Epic gets a pass. They have the resources, but they just don't value the customer experience. Sweeney himself is on record for plainly stating as much.

    Itch.io is an indie store front that caters especially to indies. Despite their size they offer good incentives for studios/publishers while still caring about the consumer as well. Even though they're small they still offer native Linux and Mac clients, along with Windows, to make purchasers feel welcome. They don't have Steam features, but they're actually small and not cash rich unlike Epic. They get a pass because they're actually trying, progressing, and succeeding with no Fortnite bankroll.

    Why are we treating a multibillion dollar company that is over 40% owned by the worlds biggest publisher like they're a struggling indie that finds web dev hard?
    I don't believe it's that this store gets a pass and the other stores didn't. It's an overall experience, and it's also the games available.  Origins exclusivity was hokey at best. There weren't a lot of games that were exclusive, and it was the same situation, the games that were exclusive that people wanted to play, they went to origin to play them. 

    Epic is different because they have a lot of exclusive released titles.  

    I still don't understand it... a store is a store.  You aren't being forced to drive 30 minutes to get a different item, you're literally typing in a different web address. 

    I care nothing for steam. Not over any other store.  At best you can look at the reviews before you buy a game and hope that they give you what you're looking for, at worst, jaded gamers lash out at developers and tank their scores.  Steam never seems to put games in my queue that interest me.  I don't care about the achievements, cards and nonsense like that.. it's bloat.

    I go to stores to buy games, and then I play the games.  Apparently other people feel differently, and all that amounts to, is that they won't get to play some games when they release.  They've made their decision, they shouldn't complain about it.
    Yes, it does matter to me because I'm not a Windows user. I get that I'm in the minority and that Windows users are the majority... for now. I get why you wouldn't and don't care and want me to shut up. Why should you? You get what you want at no apparent disadvantage to yourself.
    Well that explains everything. As a linux user no doubt you have a lot to complain about XD 

    I'm just saying, people are here complaining games are exclusive to a particular store.  But the question is, why do they have such an issue? 

    Are they beholden to steam?  Is it because the Epic Store is blocked in their region? Their parents payment details are only saved in Steam? 

    I'm not trying to hurt anyones personal feelings or whatever the case may be.  I'm just saying, that in most cases, people are blowing this out of proportion. 

    It's similar to a game... lets say, Marvel Ultimate Alliance 3, that is a Switch Exclusive title.  Many people are mad that it's not on their preferred platform.  This kind of exclusivity has been around for decades though, and it's very system specific. 

    That's not the same thing for PC's though.  While you may run linux, as you said, the majority doesn't. Many of the people complaining are arguing over a URL.  Nobody is making them go to Epic to buy games, and maybe the games they love aren't coming to steam anytime soon, but we're not asking them to buy a Switch to play them.

    Even you, if you wanted, you could load Windows 10 right now, you don't even need to buy a license key, you could load it up and use it indefinitely without one.

    But we all make our choices... I just always make mine FOR the games I want to play. I don't see Epic and Steam being a rivalry. I have no dogs in no races, I'm going to go where the games are.  

    Even if they show up as linux exclusives ;) 



  • MadFrenchieMadFrenchie Member LegendaryPosts: 8,505
    I cant comment too extensively for professional reasons but I can say that I am a little surprised by the backlash not Epic but Steam has taken over this. Taking 30% (not on all titles btw) is the industry digital standard. What Valve takes is what Goggle takes. What Apple takes. Microsoft. Sony. For Sweeney to take a lesser amount puts them in the red and will require raising prices for developers in the long run. (which will be a shorter time than many think) 
    As a consumer I can see that none of this matters and you just want what you want. 

    For a developer it is more about whether you want to play the long game or the short game in terms of profit and/or exposure. 
    Valve does not make 30% profit off the top of every game sold. Not even 25% 
    Sweeney knows the exact number Valve makes per average and set their number accordingly so Steam could not match it for fear of going into the red.  
    Make no mistake, Epic is losing money on all of this. They are playing the long game. Take a loss now to earn a profit later. 
    Prices and percentages will rise. 
    The fight Sweeney should be fighting with Steam is not titles and prices but with features and expansion on what a digital store front can be. 
    But we all know Sweeney likes to fight more than anything else ;)
    I think there are those of us who aren't interested in what a storefront can be beyond what games it can offer us.  At least, personally, I don't really have a strong desire for having Steam or Epic butt themselves into my gameplay more.

    I see the storefront war as like the console war or video streaming war without the cost to consumers.  That's...  A pretty awesome position for me to be in, considering how those wars persuaded folks like Sony and Microsoft and Netflix and Hulu to invest heavily in original/unique content for their platforms.  And following along that path, we see Epic helping a struggling studio finish QA, and it's cost me nothing as a player except the original, free store download.  I get to enjoy a less buggy game (if I buy it) made possible, in part, by Epic.


    Netflix and Hulu aren't competing via features, they're competing via content.  I think Epic sees this too, which is why these chose exclusive deals over releasing a hugely robust storefront.
    Not the same at all but I get it from your point of view which is why I said what I said about a consumer. ;)

    For a developer of a multiplayer game the platform you choose can matter greatly. Also DRM can matter greatly. As does the modding community behind many games. Sometimes those 'features' go way beyond what a consumer sees and can impact the player's experience. Just my professional opinion. 
     I owe Valve my career so I will always side with them but I understand both sides. 
    Ahh, I thought you were referencing the social features on Steam.

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  • BcudaBcuda Member UncommonPosts: 163
    Well it is good to hear that epic did help them when they needed it. And Devs honored the agreement by staying with epic. Even if there was no agreement in place. Rune 2 will make less money and get less exposer than if they were on steam... But Steam didn't help them out. One hand washes the other. This might be... Might be my first epic game in a very long time... Time will tell. Respect the loyalty
  • keyboardshinobikeyboardshinobi Member UncommonPosts: 24

    SBFord said:


    Torval said:


    The other thing factor that seems to be glossed over in these articles gaslighting Epic is that it pisses a portion of the fanbase off.

    In fact, that's exactly what this dude does: He acknowledges and respects the fact that people are ticked. 

    Steam preorders will be honored and all content will come to them. I don't get the big deal but, then again, I don't care where games land. *shrugs*






    Its sad that this line of thinking has bled into PC gaming, it used to be "Eh i have both consoles so i dont really care which one it releases on." You should care if it is the only place that it lands, IDGAF if it shows up on Steam; Epic; Origin; Uplay or even the god damn windows store, but it needs to be in more than 1 store. There is zero competition when a single store buys the devs out and gives the gamer no shopping power. Epic and Tim Sweeney have played the Epic fan boys by making them believe steam had a forced Monopoly and that they are the bad guys, but in reality Steam never told a dev they couldnt sell elsewhere unlike the real Bad guys like Epic. Don't start a console war on the PC side of things, it will not be good for anyone in the long run, just release the F***ing games everywhere and let the stores do the battle to try and pull consumers in.
  • keyboardshinobikeyboardshinobi Member UncommonPosts: 24



    Torval said:


    SBFord said:


    Kalafax said:

    When Epics Game Store gets all the extrs Features Steam has, such as a community feeds/forums, Stat tracker, Family Game Sharing, Community Modding workshop, and many other facets of Steam that have made it the great that it is today ( and one of the reasons they can charge the extra percentages they ask for ), then I will give Epic a shot. As of now Epics Game Shop is just a hollow shell of an online shop, with barely any games, and most of the ones on it are garbage, and it doesnt even come close to comparing to any other Game Shop platform.


    You can, in fact, keep track of the development roadmap and check out all the planned features for EGS:

    https://trello.com/b/GXLc34hk/epic-games-store-roadmap


    Why these guys are given a pass is beyond me. They're a multibillion dollar company. We wouldn't and haven't put up with this from EA or Ubisoft and the likes, but Epic gets a pass. They have the resources, but they just don't value the customer experience. Sweeney himself is on record for plainly stating as much.

    Itch.io is an indie store front that caters especially to indies. Despite their size they offer good incentives for studios/publishers while still caring about the consumer as well. Even though they're small they still offer native Linux and Mac clients, along with Windows, to make purchasers feel welcome. They don't have Steam features, but they're actually small and not cash rich unlike Epic. They get a pass because they're actually trying, progressing, and succeeding with no Fortnite bankroll.

    Why are we treating a multibillion dollar company that is over 40% owned by the worlds biggest publisher like they're a struggling indie that finds web dev hard?


    I don't believe it's that this store gets a pass and the other stores didn't. It's an overall experience, and it's also the games available.  Origins exclusivity was hokey at best. There weren't a lot of games that were exclusive, and it was the same situation, the games that were exclusive that people wanted to play, they went to origin to play them. 

    Epic is different because they have a lot of exclusive released titles.  

    I still don't understand it... a store is a store.  You aren't being forced to drive 30 minutes to get a different item, you're literally typing in a different web address. 

    I care nothing for steam. Not over any other store.  At best you can look at the reviews before you buy a game and hope that they give you what you're looking for, at worst, jaded gamers lash out at developers and tank their scores.  Steam never seems to put games in my queue that interest me.  I don't care about the achievements, cards and nonsense like that.. it's bloat.

    I go to stores to buy games, and then I play the games.  Apparently other people feel differently, and all that amounts to, is that they won't get to play some games when they release.  They've made their decision, they shouldn't complain about it.



    And their decision to not play it will lead to things like with THQ for the first time ever saying the Metro sold more on Console than on PC, and him dodging the question of how well PC actually did. Indie games will be saved by Epic, but they will gain no fame, half the indie shit on Epic I have no idea what it is and until i accidentally let Epic store boot the other day I didn't know half of them existed. I don't like Bloat, I have all of these stupid launchers installed but the only 2 allowed to auto boot are Steam and B.net. Sure I have decided I wont play a game and sure that means I dont get to play it on launch, but guess what that also means? Devs get 0 money from me, they get 0 word of mouth to my friends, and they get 0 money from them. I had been excited for World War Z, didn't even know it came out until like 3 weeks after it did, and I still didn't buy it because at that point I had new games that caught my attention on Steam. Acting like the only thing that happens is some people dont get to play a game is wrong, not only will they play it, but they will play it without paying for it, or they will just write it off completely and not care and that hurts the devs more id say 70% more than a 30% cut steam takes.
  • MadFrenchieMadFrenchie Member LegendaryPosts: 8,505
    edited May 2019



    Torval said:


    SBFord said:


    Kalafax said:

    When Epics Game Store gets all the extrs Features Steam has, such as a community feeds/forums, Stat tracker, Family Game Sharing, Community Modding workshop, and many other facets of Steam that have made it the great that it is today ( and one of the reasons they can charge the extra percentages they ask for ), then I will give Epic a shot. As of now Epics Game Shop is just a hollow shell of an online shop, with barely any games, and most of the ones on it are garbage, and it doesnt even come close to comparing to any other Game Shop platform.


    You can, in fact, keep track of the development roadmap and check out all the planned features for EGS:

    https://trello.com/b/GXLc34hk/epic-games-store-roadmap


    Why these guys are given a pass is beyond me. They're a multibillion dollar company. We wouldn't and haven't put up with this from EA or Ubisoft and the likes, but Epic gets a pass. They have the resources, but they just don't value the customer experience. Sweeney himself is on record for plainly stating as much.

    Itch.io is an indie store front that caters especially to indies. Despite their size they offer good incentives for studios/publishers while still caring about the consumer as well. Even though they're small they still offer native Linux and Mac clients, along with Windows, to make purchasers feel welcome. They don't have Steam features, but they're actually small and not cash rich unlike Epic. They get a pass because they're actually trying, progressing, and succeeding with no Fortnite bankroll.

    Why are we treating a multibillion dollar company that is over 40% owned by the worlds biggest publisher like they're a struggling indie that finds web dev hard?


    I don't believe it's that this store gets a pass and the other stores didn't. It's an overall experience, and it's also the games available.  Origins exclusivity was hokey at best. There weren't a lot of games that were exclusive, and it was the same situation, the games that were exclusive that people wanted to play, they went to origin to play them. 

    Epic is different because they have a lot of exclusive released titles.  

    I still don't understand it... a store is a store.  You aren't being forced to drive 30 minutes to get a different item, you're literally typing in a different web address. 

    I care nothing for steam. Not over any other store.  At best you can look at the reviews before you buy a game and hope that they give you what you're looking for, at worst, jaded gamers lash out at developers and tank their scores.  Steam never seems to put games in my queue that interest me.  I don't care about the achievements, cards and nonsense like that.. it's bloat.

    I go to stores to buy games, and then I play the games.  Apparently other people feel differently, and all that amounts to, is that they won't get to play some games when they release.  They've made their decision, they shouldn't complain about it.



    And their decision to not play it will lead to things like with THQ for the first time ever saying the Metro sold more on Console than on PC, and him dodging the question of how well PC actually did. Indie games will be saved by Epic, but they will gain no fame, half the indie shit on Epic I have no idea what it is and until i accidentally let Epic store boot the other day I didn't know half of them existed. I don't like Bloat, I have all of these stupid launchers installed but the only 2 allowed to auto boot are Steam and B.net. Sure I have decided I wont play a game and sure that means I dont get to play it on launch, but guess what that also means? Devs get 0 money from me, they get 0 word of mouth to my friends, and they get 0 money from them. I had been excited for World War Z, didn't even know it came out until like 3 weeks after it did, and I still didn't buy it because at that point I had new games that caught my attention on Steam. Acting like the only thing that happens is some people dont get to play a game is wrong, not only will they play it, but they will play it without paying for it, or they will just write it off completely and not care and that hurts the devs more id say 70% more than a 30% cut steam takes.
    Bitches about a game launcher with multiple studios' worth of games in the library, admits without frustration he allows B.net to auto-launch, which is restricted to Blizzard and two Activision titles for the entire library.


    Seems legit.

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  • XasapisXasapis Member RarePosts: 6,337
    Torval said:
    Torval said:
    SBFord said:
    Kalafax said:
    When Epics Game Store gets all the extrs Features Steam has, such as a community feeds/forums, Stat tracker, Family Game Sharing, Community Modding workshop, and many other facets of Steam that have made it the great that it is today ( and one of the reasons they can charge the extra percentages they ask for ), then I will give Epic a shot. As of now Epics Game Shop is just a hollow shell of an online shop, with barely any games, and most of the ones on it are garbage, and it doesnt even come close to comparing to any other Game Shop platform.
    You can, in fact, keep track of the development roadmap and check out all the planned features for EGS:

    https://trello.com/b/GXLc34hk/epic-games-store-roadmap
    Why these guys are given a pass is beyond me. They're a multibillion dollar company. We wouldn't and haven't put up with this from EA or Ubisoft and the likes, but Epic gets a pass. They have the resources, but they just don't value the customer experience. Sweeney himself is on record for plainly stating as much.

    Itch.io is an indie store front that caters especially to indies. Despite their size they offer good incentives for studios/publishers while still caring about the consumer as well. Even though they're small they still offer native Linux and Mac clients, along with Windows, to make purchasers feel welcome. They don't have Steam features, but they're actually small and not cash rich unlike Epic. They get a pass because they're actually trying, progressing, and succeeding with no Fortnite bankroll.

    Why are we treating a multibillion dollar company that is over 40% owned by the worlds biggest publisher like they're a struggling indie that finds web dev hard?
    I don't believe it's that this store gets a pass and the other stores didn't. It's an overall experience, and it's also the games available.  Origins exclusivity was hokey at best. There weren't a lot of games that were exclusive, and it was the same situation, the games that were exclusive that people wanted to play, they went to origin to play them. 

    Epic is different because they have a lot of exclusive released titles.  

    I still don't understand it... a store is a store.  You aren't being forced to drive 30 minutes to get a different item, you're literally typing in a different web address. 

    I care nothing for steam. Not over any other store.  At best you can look at the reviews before you buy a game and hope that they give you what you're looking for, at worst, jaded gamers lash out at developers and tank their scores.  Steam never seems to put games in my queue that interest me.  I don't care about the achievements, cards and nonsense like that.. it's bloat.

    I go to stores to buy games, and then I play the games.  Apparently other people feel differently, and all that amounts to, is that they won't get to play some games when they release.  They've made their decision, they shouldn't complain about it.
    Yes, it does matter to me because I'm not a Windows user. I get that I'm in the minority and that Windows users are the majority... for now. I get why you wouldn't and don't care and want me to shut up. Why should you? You get what you want at no apparent disadvantage to yourself.
    Well that explains everything. As a linux user no doubt you have a lot to complain about XD 

    I'm just saying, people are here complaining games are exclusive to a particular store.  But the question is, why do they have such an issue? 

    Are they beholden to steam?  Is it because the Epic Store is blocked in their region? Their parents payment details are only saved in Steam? 

    I'm not trying to hurt anyones personal feelings or whatever the case may be.  I'm just saying, that in most cases, people are blowing this out of proportion. 

    It's similar to a game... lets say, Marvel Ultimate Alliance 3, that is a Switch Exclusive title.  Many people are mad that it's not on their preferred platform.  This kind of exclusivity has been around for decades though, and it's very system specific. 

    That's not the same thing for PC's though.  While you may run linux, as you said, the majority doesn't. Many of the people complaining are arguing over a URL.  Nobody is making them go to Epic to buy games, and maybe the games they love aren't coming to steam anytime soon, but we're not asking them to buy a Switch to play them.

    Even you, if you wanted, you could load Windows 10 right now, you don't even need to buy a license key, you could load it up and use it indefinitely without one.

    But we all make our choices... I just always make mine FOR the games I want to play. I don't see Epic and Steam being a rivalry. I have no dogs in no races, I'm going to go where the games are.  

    Even if they show up as linux exclusives ;) 
    Right now Epic store is basically Origin store at a slightly larger scale. Some people find it a similar annoyance, others avoid it the same way they avoid EA games in general.

    As for a rivalry between Epic and Steam, unfortunately it doesn't exist yet, nor is likely to exist while Epic store is in such a poor state. The clear sign that Epic will have any kind of actual relevance and market power is when people actually choose to purchase a game when given a choice between Epic and somebody else. As things are right now, the Epic store market power is practically zero.

    (One of the reasons I will never touch iPhones is because they do not allow software installation outside their own locked ecosystem.)
  • XasapisXasapis Member RarePosts: 6,337
    On a separate note, it's interesting to see how few views these Epic vs the world discussions get lately. 
  • YumeTsukaiYumeTsukai Member UncommonPosts: 40

    SBFord said:


    Torval said:


    I don't get the big deal but, then again, I don't care where games land. *shrugs*






    Of course you don't... otherwise your "epic friends" might just abandon you. It's sad how "games journalists" or whatever it is that you aim to be, claim to be so ignorant on the current trends. Instead of advocating for the better of the gaming industry and gamers as a whole, getting pros and cons as objectively as possible, what we get are pathetic lines like the above. This one is great as well:


    "Epic is different because they have a lot of exclusive released titles. "

    Chinese bots aside, you'd think there was a reason no one "held games hostage" on a certain store for a certain period of time until now. Was it... common sense... basic decency... ? Not even EA or Ubisoft managed to get into that black hole. AT LEAST THEY HAD THEIR OWN GAMES TO PUBLISH ON THEIR STORES.

    "Oh but I don't care about stores, it's just another click on your desktop". I can only wish you that at some point you'll be forced to download every single game from individual stores. And when something breaks, I'd really love to watch you have to install 100 launchers from zero. "It's just a few more clicks, boys!"

    Keep at it. But remember, ignorance is a sin.
    MadFrenchie
  • lahnmirlahnmir Member LegendaryPosts: 3,679

    SBFord said:


    Torval said:


    I don't get the big deal but, then again, I don't care where games land. *shrugs*






    Of course you don't... otherwise your "epic friends" might just abandon you. It's sad how "games journalists" or whatever it is that you aim to be, claim to be so ignorant on the current trends. Instead of advocating for the better of the gaming industry and gamers as a whole, getting pros and cons as objectively as possible, what we get are pathetic lines like the above. This one is great as well:


    "Epic is different because they have a lot of exclusive released titles. "

    Chinese bots aside, you'd think there was a reason no one "held games hostage" on a certain store for a certain period of time until now. Was it... common sense... basic decency... ? Not even EA or Ubisoft managed to get into that black hole. AT LEAST THEY HAD THEIR OWN GAMES TO PUBLISH ON THEIR STORES.

    "Oh but I don't care about stores, it's just another click on your desktop". I can only wish you that at some point you'll be forced to download every single game from individual stores. And when something breaks, I'd really love to watch you have to install 100 launchers from zero. "It's just a few more clicks, boys!"

    Keep at it. But remember, ignorance is a sin.
    Yeah, lets discredit the poster when you don’t like their opinion. A cheap and sad tactic, fortunately around here there are very few ignorant people indeed so they can see straight through that. Completely yawn worthy: “Yawn.”.

    /Cheers,
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    It is just huge resource waste....'

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  • MadFrenchieMadFrenchie Member LegendaryPosts: 8,505
    edited May 2019

    SBFord said:


    Torval said:


    I don't get the big deal but, then again, I don't care where games land. *shrugs*






    Of course you don't... otherwise your "epic friends" might just abandon you. It's sad how "games journalists" or whatever it is that you aim to be, claim to be so ignorant on the current trends. Instead of advocating for the better of the gaming industry and gamers as a whole, getting pros and cons as objectively as possible, what we get are pathetic lines like the above. This one is great as well:


    "Epic is different because they have a lot of exclusive released titles. "

    Chinese bots aside, you'd think there was a reason no one "held games hostage" on a certain store for a certain period of time until now. Was it... common sense... basic decency... ? Not even EA or Ubisoft managed to get into that black hole. AT LEAST THEY HAD THEIR OWN GAMES TO PUBLISH ON THEIR STORES.

    "Oh but I don't care about stores, it's just another click on your desktop". I can only wish you that at some point you'll be forced to download every single game from individual stores. And when something breaks, I'd really love to watch you have to install 100 launchers from zero. "It's just a few more clicks, boys!"

    Keep at it. But remember, ignorance is a sin.
    Even if she did have a different launcher for every game, she could just click the fucking game icon on her desktop and it'll launch the appropriate launcher for that game without her even having to think about it.


    How do I know this?  Because that's what MMORPG gamers have been doing since the dawn of the goddamn genre.  So fear-monger more about some bullshit.
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  • ChildoftheShadowsChildoftheShadows Member EpicPosts: 1,900
    It won't matter, cry babies still gonna be cry babies. Logical thinking and explanations don't matter in this social media world, only cool kid internet points.
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  • IselinIselin Member LegendaryPosts: 14,434
    This fight again? lol.

    In fairness though I don't see any positives for consumers in having Epic exclusives and a couple of negatives (no cloud saves, no Linux support) so I get why some are annoyed by it although some of the outlandish Tencent yellow menace racist fear mongering stuff is just crazy shit.

    Another launcher for some games... no biggie for me and it won't stop me from buying something there if it's only there. I'll just have to back-up my saves when unistalling - a hassle after years of not having to do so with any of my other launchers (which include Steam, Battlenet, GOG, Bethesda and Origin.) Not a deal breaker though.

    What I don't understand is the commitment of some here to defend Epic exclusives against even legitimately annoyed posters when there is nothing positive for consumers in the exclusivity scheme.

    I thought most of us here were game consumers...
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  • gervaise1gervaise1 Member EpicPosts: 6,919
    Iselin said:
    This fight again? lol.

    In fairness though I don't see any positives for consumers in having Epic exclusives and a couple of negatives (no cloud saves, no Linux support) so I get why some are annoyed by it although some of the outlandish Tencent yellow menace racist fear mongering stuff is just crazy shit.

    Another launcher for some games... no biggie for me and it won't stop me from buying something there if it's only there. I'll just have to back-up my saves when unistalling - a hassle after years of not having to do so with any of my other launchers (which include Steam, Battlenet, GOG, Bethesda and Origin.) Not a deal breaker though.

    What I don't understand is the commitment of some here to defend Epic exclusives against even legitimately annoyed posters when there is nothing positive for consumers in the exclusivity scheme.

    I thought most of us here were game consumers...
    Cloud saves due to be added this month (May). Linux support has, I believe, been added with the help of the Linux group Lutris - the store is available on Linux anyway. 
    MadFrenchieIselin
  • rojoArcueidrojoArcueid Member EpicPosts: 10,420
    I still don't have a Nintendo Switch but when Shin Megami Tensei V releases i will definitely purchase one for it.

    It's the same situation with the Epic Store, right? No? You don't have to buy a new PC to run the Epic Store? good lord why are we still complaining about this nonsense then?
    MadFrenchie




  • NordicApacheNordicApache Member UncommonPosts: 134
    Well, this sucks.
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