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Gamergate Factuality Question

blamo2000blamo2000 Member UncommonPosts: 703
Wikipedia says nothing about this, and neither does any recaps from any sites you'd figure would be official/credible. 

This is not political or political in nature.  For some context on where I got the question I want to ask I'll have to have a tiny amount of politics in my next sentence but, again, I am looking for factual information and not political hot takes.

Due to lack of any game to play I bought a book from a guy called Michael Malice called, "The New Right."  He is an anarchist and is a smarmy little ass but he hates both popular political "sides" so his stuff isn't slanted to favor either side.

A section of his book is on GamerGate, something I completely missed but have heard some recaps of since, mostly on this site when that Guild Wars 2 employee was fired.  He claims, and this is absolutely huge since you'd figure any recaps would absolutely start with this, that the catalyst for GamerGate was the discovery of a mailing list for game journalists and developers used not (just) to coordinate reviews, but to push a clear overtly political agenda and even expunge/blacklist game journalists and developers from the industry who had wrongthink and did not adhere to their political ideologies like some sort of Orwellian gaming gestapo.  It only briefly mentioned the lady who supposedly traded sexual favors for whatever.

I did a search as best as I am able with my old(er) brain and got nothing.  Or, I got way too much about everything but this.  

Anyone have any links to actual information on this specific question?  

If this is true it would be the first actual sensible reason I heard about all the hubbub that fit the size and drama of said hubbub.  But if true even me and my poor google skills should be able to find info on it.  All I'm getting is info on  the sexual favors lady as a catalyst and not even much of that, its like 99.9% mostly information about what came after, most of the coverage is heavily, heavily slanted and seems very biased.  I don't want to be a GamerGate expert - I just want a clear answer or to clearly confirm or deny if this part of the book is correct. 

Comments

  • AlBQuirkyAlBQuirky Member RarePosts: 4,909
    I don't have any links and pretty much didn't follow GamerGate much. It sounds like you have the gist of it, but as for an actual recounting, I've nary a clue.
    blamo2000

    - Al

    Personally the only modern MMORPG trend that annoys me is the idea that MMOs need to be designed in a way to attract people who don't actually like MMOs. Which to me makes about as much sense as someone trying to figure out a way to get vegetarians to eat at their steakhouse.
    - FARGIN_WAR

  • blamo2000blamo2000 Member UncommonPosts: 703
    AlBQuirky said:
    I don't have any links and pretty much didn't follow GamerGate much. It sounds like you have the gist of it, but as for an actual recounting, I've nary a clue.
    Thank you for the reply but I'm still not clear - are you saying the catalyst was the mail list server being used as a political weapon to purge/blacklist wrongthink journalists and developers from the gaming industry?   Or you at least heard this too?  

    There is a huge, huge difference between young men maliciously attacking someone relentlessly for doing some sex stuff for good reviews (which makes me want to side with the young lady 1000%) and cultists trying to turn gaming into a theologically pure indoctrination tool (which any decent, not cult inductee would stand against and fight against and completely changes the narrative of the whole thing).

  • CleffyCleffy Member RarePosts: 5,962
    edited May 17
    There is no link to a summary of events since it was a political spat. The primary grievance is that left wing activists where attempting to change games to align with their political views and were being toxic towards the primary audience for those games. There is obviously a right wing slant on the story due to most of this being discovered by investigative political commentators.
    The issue still happens today. Something like Metacritic slants game development because a couple left wing activists write game reviews. Even if the writer didn't play the game. For instance giving Kingdom Come Deliverance a bad rating because you can only play a white male in it. There are some game review sites that don't even play games anymore and are just political activist sites like EuroGamer.
    blamo2000
  • blamo2000blamo2000 Member UncommonPosts: 703
    Cleffy said:
    There is no link to a summary of events since it was a political spat. The primary grievance is that left wing activists where attempting to change games to align with their political views and were being toxic towards the primary audience for those games. There is obviously a right wing slant on the story due to most of this being discovered by investigative political commentators.
    The issue still happens today. Something like Metacritic slants game development because a couple left wing activists write game reviews. Even if the writer didn't play the game. For instance giving Kingdom Come Deliverance a bad rating because you can only play a white male in it. There are some game review sites that don't even play games anymore and are just political activist sites like EuroGamer.
    Thank you for the reply.  I am not interested in a spat or politics.  I am interested in the factual claim made in the book, which if true means an event happened (the factual discovery of a mail list/server thing).   

    Specifically, was there a mailing list used by game journalists and developers to blacklist/purge journalists and developers that where deemed ideologically impure?  If so, there has to be an origin or information regarding this.  Specifically the post of the person making the claim (if that's how it came out), proof posted as evidence, etc.  Something.  
  • AlBQuirkyAlBQuirky Member RarePosts: 4,909
    blamo2000 said:
    AlBQuirky said:
    I don't have any links and pretty much didn't follow GamerGate much. It sounds like you have the gist of it, but as for an actual recounting, I've nary a clue.
    Thank you for the reply but I'm still not clear - are you saying the catalyst was the mail list server being used as a political weapon to purge/blacklist wrongthink journalists and developers from the gaming industry?   Or you at least heard this too?  

    There is a huge, huge difference between young men maliciously attacking someone relentlessly for doing some sex stuff for good reviews (which makes me want to side with the young lady 1000%) and cultists trying to turn gaming into a theologically pure indoctrination tool (which any decent, not cult inductee would stand against and fight against and completely changes the narrative of the whole thing).

    I'm such a big help, aren't I? :lol:

    I believe it was the blacklisting that got the ball rolling.
    blamo2000

    - Al

    Personally the only modern MMORPG trend that annoys me is the idea that MMOs need to be designed in a way to attract people who don't actually like MMOs. Which to me makes about as much sense as someone trying to figure out a way to get vegetarians to eat at their steakhouse.
    - FARGIN_WAR

  • blamo2000blamo2000 Member UncommonPosts: 703
    Just FYI as an update - I was able to find information on this, but the only news site that had a lot of information is clearly biased (Brietbart, but oddly their reporting seems like reporting unlike Wikipedia and other recaps which clearly reads as biased and doesn't even address the elephant in the room so is at the minimum guilty of blatantly lying by omission) and all the other information supporting this was on various forums from people talking about it.  The couple links posted that stated to lead to the actual evidence don't work.

    It really shouldn't be this hard to find factual information.  Every day the world makes less and less sense to me, and now I am really no better off wasting hours looking into this than I was when I started.  When it comes to facts I don't want to pick a side or narrative and wade through spin - I want to just the know the fact.

    People of normal capabilities are screwed when we try and find the truth.  If the catalyst is as the book claimed the totalitarians won GamerGate because they have succeeded at controlling the narrative and removing the evidence from being accessed through normal means of people with normal capabilities.  
    AlBQuirky
  • CleffyCleffy Member RarePosts: 5,962
    The premise of GamerGate is dead for a very simple reason. A game development company relies on people buying their games. Not positive reviews. Sure once upon a time people used reviews to inform their buying decision. But now most people don't trust mainstream publications and make their buying decisions based on customer reviews.
    Take for instance Battlefield 5 verse The Division 2. Battlefield 5 tried to win over critics with overt political statements and told it's customer base if you don't like it don't buy it. So... they didn't buy it and the game flopped given it's expected sales. On the other hand The Division 2 didn't make any political statements and refused to pander to critics. It sold very well.

    In the age of e-commerce, the need to a professional critic is lost. If you go to Amazon you can see this dichotomy first hand with Chinese sellers. They will message you if you give them less than a 5 star review. If not enough people change their review, they will re-list the product.
  • AlBQuirkyAlBQuirky Member RarePosts: 4,909
    blamo2000 said:
    Just FYI as an update - I was able to find information on this, but the only news site that had a lot of information is clearly biased (Brietbart, but oddly their reporting seems like reporting unlike Wikipedia and other recaps which clearly reads as biased and doesn't even address the elephant in the room so is at the minimum guilty of blatantly lying by omission) and all the other information supporting this was on various forums from people talking about it.  The couple links posted that stated to lead to the actual evidence don't work.

    It really shouldn't be this hard to find factual information.  Every day the world makes less and less sense to me, and now I am really no better off wasting hours looking into this than I was when I started.  When it comes to facts I don't want to pick a side or narrative and wade through spin - I want to just the know the fact.

    People of normal capabilities are screwed when we try and find the truth.  If the catalyst is as the book claimed the totalitarians won GamerGate because they have succeeded at controlling the narrative and removing the evidence from being accessed through normal means of people with normal capabilities.  
    I guess the old adage is true: History is written by the victors :)

    - Al

    Personally the only modern MMORPG trend that annoys me is the idea that MMOs need to be designed in a way to attract people who don't actually like MMOs. Which to me makes about as much sense as someone trying to figure out a way to get vegetarians to eat at their steakhouse.
    - FARGIN_WAR

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